Thursday, January 14, 2016

ABOUT THE BLOGGER...

A lot of you may be trying to find out who exactly is the admin of this blog? Who and why is this blogger doing what s/he is doing? Here is another clue for you all to solve the "mystery" of finding who the blogger is...
The clue comes in the reply, I would like to give Mrs. X, who shared her story and who more or less seems to be caught in the same mess we were as a family through this evil LEF and its rogues - Joshua Daniel, Lily and John Daniel. Here is Mrs. X's first comment.
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Personally I would be very happy to quit the LEF but my husband has threatened to send me out of the house if I do not attend. He is an important LEF preacher. The 2 themes I've never heard him preach about are God's love and loving others. I suppose it’s because he is bitter and does not even talk to any of my relatives and family members. I do not know what to do. I'm sure no LEF member is available or approachable or understanding. Hubby's always preaching, never at home even for Christmas or new year. Never attends any family functions like family get together, birthday parties etc. Thinks he is v.v. spiritual. I do not know what to do. All my relatives are Godly people but they go to other churches.
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Mrs. X, thanks for commenting here on this blog.
Yours is a very common story of many helpless women in LEF. As much as I hate to acknowledge it, my own mother is one such woman who is stuck between the devil and the deep sea. But take courage that there surely will be an end to all this.Though my mother did not have the strength to fight the system, she made many sacrifices for us children. She is called all kinds of names to this day by these LEF mavericks ranging from proud, ungodly,...to a woman who destroyed her own children because she raised us children to not have anything to do with Joshua Daniel and his stooges!!! Though not very educated, my mother fought with all her might to keep us children far far away from these evil people. She did not allow us children to come under the influence of these LEF bullies even though my father was just like your husband, if not worse. When the time came for our marriages, she stood with us children as we chose our life partners who had nothing to do with this cult. That saved us children from a lot of emotional trauma and wastage of life. Since Lily Daniel and her minions have no way of blackmailing us or bullying us, either through our spouses or their families, we are able to put up a sustained fight against LEF today. All that Lily Daniel has in her hands is our dad who is willing to be a puppet in her hands and whom Lily Daniel and John Daniel can play with to their hearts' content as my dad is the only person they can control in our family. Very early in life, we learnt to fight our dad back vehemently if the need be whenever he tried to blackmail us into submission to the dictates of these rogues. There were times he ran away from the house as we would not allow him to have his way as we knew very well that it is Joshua Daniel who is trying to have his way in our family through our father. What all my father tried to do just to please Joshua Daniel is just simply unbelievable!!! Mind you, my father is not an illiterate villager. He retired as the Superintendent Engineer from Andhra Pradesh government. He held high positions in his secular job. It is a shame for me to acknowledge in this public forum that my dad who himself is a very intelligent and smart man and who has very intelligent, successful and accomplished children who have been living in the USA for the past 10-16 years is willing to be bossed around by this old witch, Lily Daniel. Please do not misunderstand that I am trying to boast that we live in US as it is some kind of third heaven. No, that is not my intent at all. Please note that none of us children landed in US like Joshua Daniel and his huge family by using LEF resources and by bucking the system and migrating as some kind of "fake missionaries." We, just like all Indians, are the best in our respective fields of study and work and that's how we are allowed into America to work. We are not dull heads like Joshua Daniel and his children who took cover under the church to enter another country to make a living. Even in a land like US, where there is plenty of opportunity to hard working and smart people, today John Daniel cannot find a job that he has lost more than 4 years ago and he comes to India to show off his put on dumb accent to throw his weight around poor Indians and act like some foreigner and descendant of royal family. How can someone as dumb and as fake as John Daniel get away with bossing around a person like my father and many such who are not only older to John Daniel in age but are also way more successful than John Daniel is not only in the ministry but also in their secular jobs? After 35 years of running this God forsaken LEF in US, this John Daniel could not gather enough people to fill up the pews of the "family - owned" Christ Community Church in Novi, Michigan. People like my father have come and seen how empty Joshua Daniel and his glorified ministry is when they made a trip to visit His highness the dead Joshua Daniel in US. Even after seeing that their emperor Joshua Daniel and his family members are naked self-made emperors, they go back and are willing to act like slaves to this family. All of this makes no logical sense. Does it? That is the evil grip of LEF!!! Both my brothers play prominent roles in their local churches in USA and are doing their best to help people around them and a person like my dad has seen with his own eyes how so many Indian-based churches in US are so fruitful in their work. After knowing and seeing all this, here is our dad running behind Lily Daniel and her minions.
These rogues John Daniel and Lily Daniel are so blatantly shameless that they never once asked my dad why they should make my dad a center in-charge in Telengana even though none of his three children got married in LEF and none of them ever had any contact with Joshua Daniel either in the US or in India even though they knew Joshua Daniel from their childhood. Lily Daniel, John Daniel and their lead stooge Gnanakalanjiam claim that my father begged and pleaded with Joshua Daniel to give him a center so that he can "serve God" and so the now dead man Joshua Daniel obliged him and made my dad the center in-charge. Which center was our dad made in-charge of? A center from which Joshua Daniel drove out an elderly couple who have been working as LEF evangelists for over 35 years. Both husband and wife who were running this center are people who resigned their government jobs 40 years ago to become full-time workers in LEF!!! Whereas my dad whom Joshua Daniel chose to replace this couple with is a retired man with a hefty pension and who is also quite well off (thanks to his hard working children!!!). Somehow Joshua Daniel, Lily Daniel and John Daniel thought that my father was worthier than this family that gave their all for LEF and sent their two young children away to get Bible "training" in Beulah Garden. Please take note again- it is just my father, without my mother supporting him with any of this nonsense who is now become in-charge of a center in Telengana. Lily Daniel replaced a family with this man who is alone in his effort to take care of this center.To whom will the women of this center go for help if all they have is just a man who is trying to lead the church without the support and presence of his wife? Has anyone seen a family man whose wife refuses to join him become the pastor of a place in any other Christian denomination? How will a man like our father “build” families through his ministry if his own wife is refusing to join him? The witch Lily Daniel only sets traps to people who want to be “preachers” to destroy their souls!!! A person like my father who is being used to lead a church alone like this also faces the danger of “MORAL LAPSES.” In no other well-meaning religious organizations, things like these happen. This happens only in CULTS!!!
You may ask, why was Lily Daniel so interested in giving our father a center in LEF? There are many theories behind this!!! One big theory is that some of these retired men go and give few lakhs of rupees as dues to get their own centers in LEF. Who knows if Lily Daniel demanded something like that from our father to give him a center!!! One of the big things about people who are trapped by LEF is that these men and women will become very secretive. They will never tell the complete truth about themselves and their finances to their own family members. Where they are going, whom they are meeting, how much money they have, how much money they are spending and on what, and where they are staying are all big secrets they will never reveal to their families. Their finances are also another best kept secrets and generally are a huge mess!!! The second reason Lily Daniel may have given a center to my dad may be because she did make some wrong assessment of the whole thing. Who knows if Lily Daniel and John Daniel thought that if they gave a center to my dad in India, that we children will pay our dues to them in the US. Believe me when I say that Joshua Daniel, Lily Daniel and John Daniel put enormous pressure on parents whose children live in the US to tell their children to send their tithes to them. A lot of parents when they come to US to visit their children are nagged and tormented by these rogues to bring their children to the retreats and get in touch with Joshua Daniel. We know instances where Joshua Daniel and Lily Daniel ordered some parents to never to come and visit their “ungodly” children in the US as these children did not succumb to the parents' pressure to send “tithes” to Joshua Daniel. In case of our family, Lily Daniel the "Nadar" business woman would have made some quick math - three children in the US, even if each pay $500, that will give $1500 a month and it will be enough to cover the mortgage payment for John Daniel's house...!!!! Moreover, Lily Daniel might have thought that my dad would have quite some "immovable property" as he retired as a high ranking official and also because he has three children who live abroad who might have pumped a lot of money that she can grab by showing the LEF bye laws that no LEF worker should own any "immovable properties." So, after our dad went and showed himself up to Joshua Daniel in the US in Oct of 2013, Lily Daniel madam hooked him with a center in March of 2014. Poor Lily Daniel madam did all her math wrong. Seeing that my dad was willing to do whatever they told him to do to have his own center, she blindly assumed that his children will play into her hands. Looks like my dad forgot to mention to them that we children abhor Joshua Daniel and LEF. How much do we abhor LEF and this Daniel family? We abhor it enough to come out in public and expose their evil deeds so that the whole world can see what kind of rogues this Daniel family members are!!!

Coming back to you Mrs. X- Mrs. X, my mother worked hard to make LEF evil people's influence start and end with our dad. Thanks to my mother who drew a circle around us children and did not allow anybody, including our dad to force his ways that he learnt through LEF on us. Like someone wrote here, it sure is the hand that rocks the cradle which will rule the world. My sincere advice to you is to shield your children from this LEF so that another generation is not under the LEF oppression. Most people in LEF are trained to be crooks and cannot think straight. Keep the communication with your family open. The biggest trick of LEF is to isolate a person from their families and friends and there by dismantle all support system to completely control and mutilate an individual. They make the world outside alien to people who are trapped in LEF and that will slowly make people to lose touch with reality. Be strong for your children and never, never throw your children under the bus to please these LEF rogues. I know exactly what you are going through. Knowing that we will not be left alone by these LEF rogues to whose tunes our dad danced his entire life, our mother encouraged all of us to move far away from this evil influence. She did that knowing fully well that she might at any time be left alone to fend for herself knowing our dad's propensity to drop everything and run as soon as Joshua Daniel throws a bone at him. It is almost as bad as having an alcoholic for father if not worse when you have to deal with a man who is brainwashed by LEF. At least with a drug addict and an alcoholic, we can find some professional help but there is no help available to deal with a spouse who is under the evil spell of a cult like LEF. Generally, these people have enormous will power and grit that will not allow them to break that easily. They twist and strangle their family members emotionally if they feel that they cannot get their cult's way done. The saddest part of all this is that these men are the epitome of sainthood to the outside world and only their spouses and children know how brutally cruel these so called "Godly men" of LEF are. They cover their cruelty of dumping their sick wives and helpless children to run errands for LEF as their zeal to extend God's kingdom and they are all so twisted in their logic that they will quote some random Bible verses like - Seek first the kingdom of God... to justify their absenteeism in their family's affairs. My father's all time best quote from the Bible is - "He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me..." if anybody ever questions him about how he can so cruelly abandon his sickly wife and run errands for LEF. 
So, when you say your husband is never there to join the family, I know what it exactly means!!! My father goes as far as feeling guilty to spend happy time with the family as he is made to believe that he is wasting his time with his family instead of running behind the souls to save them... What wretched doctrine is this that is injected as slow poison to turn otherwise intelligent men and women into mindless morons??? The evil grip LEF has on people is mind boggling. Thanks to technology that today we have a platform to share our concerns that we just thought were unique to us with the whole world just to find out that we are not alone in this fight against this evil organization. We are here to help in any way we can.
Please feel free to write to us in private at savelefi@hotmail.com so that we can give you all the support we are able.

22 comments:

  1. Thank you for your candid account of LEF's destructive activities in your own families, Whistleblowers. This account must have echoes wherever LEF has spread its pernicious influence. So sad.

    Strange that the Daniels have nothing to say in the face of the now huge mountain of evidence exposing their wickedness. The only one to attempt to justify them is the banned, irrational Betty.......and her inept attempt (remember this? Anyone who challenges the behaviour of her or her family apparently only does so because they wanted to marry her, but she turned them down) merely served to confirm the criticisms of Daniel behaviour and the fragility of her own mental health!

    Speaking of destructive activity, rumour has it that Betty Daniel is again on the rampage in India. Batten down the hatches, folks, but feel free to leave your broken kitchen appliances outside your closed doors for Betty to 'heal'. I wonder if she has remembered to bring her plastic bottle of cooking oil? And perhaps her personal, transatlantic knight in shining armour, 'Mr. Betty Daniel', to carry it for her?

    Seriously, though, do not entertain this woman in your homes, even if it makes you feel inhospitable. Betty always has an agenda, and her agenda is always about Betty, not about your welfare.

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  2. Aww. Admire the courage and strength of your Mom. Pray God sends his angels to minister to her as God took care of Elijah when he ran from evil Jezebel. What this lady meant for evil turned out to be good to many through you. You have no idea how some evil men are worried that their stories may come out. Your blog gives relief to many who are oppressed. You will receive your reward one day when Jesus comes. God answered many helpless people and saved many through you.

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  3. Dear W B ! I appreciate you for your openness and I salute your entire family and especially your mother !! I fully agree 110% with every single statement made as I was just like your father for 30 years ! Thank God we came out 5 years back !! We are a happy & blessed family now !! We wish you, W B, all the success in your attempt to help the victims in L E F so as to make them VICTORS !! God bless you !!

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    1. Further to what I said 'AnonymousJanuary 14, 2016 8:23 PM", I also wish to add that the wrong teaching in LEF put us to lot of bondage :
      they speak about Curses that will come upon you, not knowing "Galatians 3:13"-no more curse of the law because Jesus took the curse upon Himself ; always they condemn people-drunkards & adulterers, not speaking of God's unconditional love ! God is love = love =love ! John 3:16, 17 ! We are familiar with (Vs 16) but Jesus didn't come to "condemn"(Vs17) !! Rom 8:1-No condemnation!!
      They tell us to be poor because Jesus was soo poor ! We never knew 2 Corinthians 8:9 --even though He was rich, He became poor---to make us rich !! We were taught to love holy poverty lest we go to hell fire like rich man in Luke 16 ! We were taught to fight a good fight of faith when sick as they didn't know to minister healing to the sick, not knowing 1 Peter 2:24 that we were healed !! Many such wrong teachings almost killed us for 30 years !! 5 years back we are set free ! John 8:32 Truth that you know will set you free !! Lack of knowledge of God's word is killing people because of wrong teaching !!

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  4. There is a man in LEF who claims to close circle to LD. Spends nights away from family for years . Goes days without informing the family. Attends every retreat has so much burden for others how he is not able to see old time christianity. Just like LD ruins others lives if it is not his way. Lies every where. Outside LEF brags as if his parents family is close to LD and get favors to others.

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  5. I Salute your loving Mother. We know how hard it would be. Amidst of pain and torment she stood victories. We love you Aunty. Your husband will soon Join you. God has a plan for every situation. You have been identified to stand alone for a purpose. We are all seeing the purpose now. God prepared your children to save innocent and shame these selfish rogues. My best wishes to you all. What you have expressed is absolutely right. It is not easy to get settled in USA. I am glad that you brothers are doing great spiritual work. May God multiply it. It is a shame to see empty chairs in LEF gatherings in abroad not only USA. No one knows this in India. May God deliver us.

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  6. I salute the brave mother and her wonderful children who stood against all odds to stand for truth and fight against this scheming rogue family. Thank God your faith is not shaken and you continue to be a blessing in the place where God has placed placed you as is evident in your post.Let us continue to pray for your dad as well so that you can have a peaceful family with children and grandchildren all together thanking and praising God.Thanks for your post which gives a vivid account of how this lef divides families. Hope this post brings about awakening in other families which undergo similar ordeals. God bless you.

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  7. Thanks for your story, WB. As bad as the abuse of money in the LEF is, the abuse of souls is so sad. I think of the sincere young people with genuine spiritual hunger who get duped by these robbers. Perhaps a book should be written to collect the stories of those who come out of the LEF. It could be called, "Joshua and Lily Bound Us, Christ Freed Us."

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  8. Taliban treat their women better than LEF, Whatever be the beauty / accomplishments / money, she is expected to marry whomsoever the great humble servant of God (now as he is gone, his son) proposes (or disposes), She must become pregnant within a year and take the baby to the great show and tell ceremony, where the child will be named (The justification is this, Jesus took the children in his hand and blessed them), then she must have another baby within 2 years. The women must earn, sew, cook and take care of the children with an ever smiling obedient face. She must be ready to share 10+10+5 % of earning to the LEF, apart from cooking to the endless evangelists, She must also obey the LEF evangelists wife (who may be semi literate) in total obedience. Her husband will be on 7 days tours to all LEF centres (called as preaching trips), more importantly bring the offering collection without touching a coin. He cannot even think of asking travel costs. The family must attend all worship services, revival meetings, retreats in surrounding areas (upto 250 Kms), Struggle to come by public transport every night, and attend again the next day, while the humble servants will float in Mercs. Send her precious daughter(s) (qualified as a Masters in Engineering graduate to work in the LEF schools for nothing(in effect supporting the daughter with her money), the school will ask her to teach LKG (below 1 standard). Stay in leaky, unhygienic, unheated huts, (also doing unpaid servant / maid work / baby sitting for the local evangelist, and also clean up the centers. ( and now a days being used for pleasure also). All for Jesus sake or for a corrupt loony old man and his robber family, dear sisters please think and take your daughters and sons form such hell holes. Why don't the great Betty and Lydia work here, callu baby and his wife, similarly JJD and the 5 females in his family. ("if God tells they will obey immediately, only he is not telling, you ask God, not me" I can hear a great man, anointed one speaking). Mr&Mrs. KP

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  9. May be, lef misused the funds in a large scale.. That is why they don't even dare to speak out on the issue..

    If only they open their mouths, it would still expose many hidden truths furthermore...

    Plz share any info on the cases filed or to be filed..? Or else are they even working closely with the present govt so that they can freely go on with their activities..

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  10. Government is thinking about amending Whistleblower Act
    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/need-to-change-whistleblowers-act-to-protect-witnesses-says-central-vigilance-commissioner-kv-chowdary/article8120067.ece

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  11. hi anonym 10;25am & everyone: this WB doesn't require govt protection. God is the protection. so don't worry. But find ways to reach out those young fellows who were brainwashed by well played acts by lead actors in the stud. retreat. They all shud know reality of these crooks & chamcha giri they do. david paul

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  12. All the evangelists and LEF elders who are all crooks keep their children away from coming under the influence of the old witch Lily Daniel but corner children of some poor people in their centers and bring them all to this jatara called student retreat as some kind of show of strength. Then this fake and arrogant fool starts throwing his weight around with his half-baked nonsense. Why can't this fool motivate these young children to excel in their studies and their professions and by doing so glorify to God. Why do these retarded mother and son beat up those young children and make them to feel guilty for excelling in their education? What does a 80+ year old woman who was hidden in LEF closets for so long know the challenges and struggles of young children in today's competitive world? What does John Daniel who is unemployed and who is raising his family of 5 children with the money looted from poor LEF people know how to be self sufficient and teach young children to be self sufficient? How can these beggars who come to beg money from poor Indians in the name of God teach young people to be the heads and not tails? Please do all you can to pull these innocent children from the clutches of this evil family which only knows to exploit.

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    1. Student Camp Observations Part 1:

      A sort of morbid curiosity made us start to take a look at the 2016 so-called 'Student Camp'.

      Caleb Daniel tinkling the keyboard yet again. Looking a bit older and somewhat stressed these days. Singing a bit strained. Get out of LEF and find a job, Caleb - you'll feel a lot better in the end.

      Enter the discredited Arthur Hill, the elderly man from Australia that nobody outside of his home town, Perth, has ever heard of (and the Perthians probably haven't, either....). A lot of fake jocularity ensues, largely about his weight increase and his cooking skills. Enough, we thought, let us see what other spiritual gems the Daniels have prepared for these impressionable young people (sent by parents who are bullied into it by the Daniels and henchmen, or simply desperate for a chance to mix with their peer group outside of their parents' influence - so we have been told). With only the first 'message' underway, already a few visible yawns can be observed in this reluctant congregation.

      Next comes the 'head honcho' (also known as the puppet prince, strings pulled by the evil queen). We are starting to believe that this ignorant, quasi-Indian-American, unemployable father of five daughters, is also blind and deaf. Either that or, like a rebellious child, he persists in his own foolishness because for the time being he still can. Why blind and deaf ? Because despite our attempts to help him gain a little more credibility by highlighting his errant pronunciation of the crucial word 'God', in the hope that he will revise this, 'God' (who actually is 'God' when he preaches to his family in their private church in Novi, MI), has once again become 'Goad' in India; moreover 'John' has become 'Joan' (we thought we ourselves had pioneered this pronunciation of his name here, in order to point out to him the silliness of his sporadic mispronunciation of the Almighty's title, but apparently he also actually prefers to be 'Joan' in India. Maybe he thinks that the simple Indians will make a stronger connection between the 'Word of Goad' and the 'ramblings of Joan' if more attention is drawn to both edicts through these similar mispronunciations? Although Whistleblowers have suggested that the puppet prince naively believes that, to simple Indians, 'Goad' (and now 'Joan') indicates that 'Joan' is now part of a superior culture in the USA. We have only ever heard of such dialect variations in the backwoods of Tennessee, but then what do we know? Unlike 'Joan' Daniel we have no expertise in transatlantic subcultures........

      Interesting that 'Joan's' sister Betty, even more American than 'Joan' (given her greater age) takes the opposite line. She seeks to impress, when in India, by adopting curiously Indian syntax, which does not sit well with her pronounced American accent or her appearance. Listen out for the deliberate omission of the definite and indefinite article, as she patronises her Indian victims, if you can be bothered.......

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    2. Student Camp Observations Part 2:

      Setting aside the 'Goads' and 'Joans' (and how we wish 'Joan' would be set aside by someone!), what wisdom was 'Joan' about to offer his yawning audience of coerced young people - by the way, shouldn't at least some of the 'Daniel five' also be coerced into attendance? After all, unlike the young Indians, their (considerable) travel expenses to India from the well-to-do American township of Salem are always covered by Indian offerings. Are they already far too 'godly' to profit from the dronings of Arthur Hill, Rodney Bills, and the puppet prince?

      Be that as it may......what did we learn from 'Joan's' initial words of wisdom? Two things stood out: that 'Joan', like his father Joshua, is repeating himself more and more. Yet again we heard how his personal godliness (?) prevented him from joining in smoking sessions with his cricket-playing school friends. Didn't we hear this one at the May retreat, though? Except wasn't it football-playing school friends? Whatever. 'Joan' is perhaps preparing for when he can no longer be bothered to cross the Pond to 'minister' to needy, 'heathen' (his word) Indians; instead you will receive a series of patched recordings comprising all these little anecdotes, inevitably centred on the 'godly' lives led by 'Joan' and family compared to the dubious existences of the rest of us. The task of conveying Indian tithes and offerings to the USA will have been delegated to younger Daniel family members. But back to the matter in hand, 'Joan's' initial address!

      We were roused from the slumber induced by 'Joan's' tedious smoking anecdote by the mention of the word 'adultery'. Could it be that 'Joan', conscious that every Indian LEF-goer must by now know about the lengthy adulterous relationship of his Dad's best American buddy, John Branch, was about to admit, and apologise for, allowing this man Branch to preach 'holiness' to these same young people whilst he himself was having a long-term affair with a church secretary? Could anything so honest and truly humble emanate from the mouth of a Daniel (we have yet to trawl through the remainder of 'Joan's' platform ramblings....we would love to be wrong about this). It turns out that the 'adulterer' John refers to was someone anonymous (and probably Indian, because according to his father, Joshua Daniel, Indians are constantly and repeatedly guilty of every conceivable sin - and probably of some yet to be invented - and need to sit under a 'ministry' of constant, harsh rebuke, if they are to have any hope of being admitted to heaven to continue washing the feet of departed and resurrected to glory Daniels). Moreover the anonymous 'adulterer' (of whose crimes 'Joan' was aware before they came to light) was not, in fact, guilty of adultery, but of fornication. How do we know? According to 'Joan', nobody 'wanted to marry ' this unmarried sinner when his sin came to light. Why does 'Joan' Daniel, self-proclaimed chief preacher, not know the difference between adultery and fornication? How can 'Joan' speak so glibly of sexual sin to these young Indians when the absence of the adulterous American pastor, John Branch, on the youth camp platform was so glaringly obvious - the fake USA preacher who for a decade had been pounding these youngsters with guilt feelings about the kind of sin he himself became an expert in committing?

      Can any of you young attendees tell us whether John Branch's name was even mentioned? You will understand why the prospect of having to listen to all the youth camp messages to find out is not a pleasant one.....

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    3. Where will Callu Baby find a job, he may have studied in Karunya University, but he has no experience.If you notice, none of the preachers in LEF will get a job anywhere else (based on qualifications and work)so they have to be in LEF, JJD cant make so much money in any other organization so the made for each other circus continues.

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  13. I can only hope that WB's father will soon come to his senses and see that his view of spiritual service may not be balanced.

    I was involved with LEF years ago and saw a few issues that left me puzzled. You could say I saw some bad practices that I could not reconcile.

    LEF does have many godly people so I pray that God's real church will come out strong whether or not the structure of LEF lives on or dies.

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  14. W.B. should have a separate blog on what is actually taught in the students retreats.

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  15. When we were youngsters and attended the retreats there were 4 or 5 messages given in a day. The focus of the messages was always the same-youthful sins.these sins were ennumerated and explained in great detail. Girls were taught that it was wrong to wear anything that would make them look attractive. My mother would not allow us to wear a chain , bangles etc when we were teens. We were forced to look pathetic. We felt out of place in school as all the other children were well dressed. Under the influence of such messages my own mother called us harlots, even though we practically ran when we saw any boy nearby. (Thanks to lef training) I wanted to commit suicide. It's God's sheer grace that I did not take any drastic steps. But the memory of the past still hurts.

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  16. Yes . You are 100% true. These LEF pulpit people condemn others and steal others life while they enjoy everything the world could offer on others sweat and tears. They live like they never read bible. Habakuk 12: 8. You looted many nations 9. Woe to him who gets evil gain for his house to put his nest on high 10 you have devised shameful thing for your house by cutting many people. So your sinning against yoyrself 11 surely the stones will cry out from the wall 12 woe to him who builds city with blood shed and founds a town with blood shed 13. It is NOT indeed from the LORD. Can LEF read these from the pulpit.

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  17. only sins like adul*, For* Self** were graphically described, never a word that Jesus forgives, never a word like "Son your sins are forgiven", never "go in peace your faith has saved you" Always afraid, always fearful that God will be displeased and put me in hell (unless the Daniel clan prays for me) was the messsage of the LEF

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  18. But the regular retreat attending adulterers and pulpit adulterers are considered true christians and Loyal to LEF by LD

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