Lily Daniel re-surfaced !!! How do I know? Her highness decided to get off her high horse and called me in the US 3 days ago. Why did she call? Because her biggest stooge Gnanakalanjiam got a shock treatment from us few days ago in Hyderabad. In fact, I left a message for John Daniel asking him to call me back to discuss what has been happening with my parents. Either he chickened out or thought it was beneath him to call back. In any case, he gave his loony villain mother the task of returning my call. Please refer to the earlier posts as to how this Daniel clan hijacked our dad both physically and mentally to make him their henchman to do their dirty work of replacing another family.
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Here is the gist of the conversation:
A. I explained to her in detail my mother's health condition and how it is causing us enormous stress having our dad out to do LEF work and how my mother is dead against my dad being used like this in their old age.
Lily Daniel's questions and suggestions:
a. Is your mother in diapers? Is she immobile?
b. Why don't you appoint a nurse or get a full-time helper? You will definitely find some Godly christian women who can stay with your mother full-time while your dad is taking care of the ministry in Nalgonda.
(I used a lot of restraint and stopped myself from blasting this crazy woman as I wanted to gather as much information from this woman as possible which I know I needed to nail them)
I rather politely told her these are options we will look at if my dad who is the primary care taker is dead or my mother agrees to get a full-time helper at home. As of now my mother is not open to the option of getting full-time help as it will be a huge hassle managing servants.
B. Lily Daniel explains how my dad is the one who is exercising faith and is guided by God to do all he is doing even though they gave him the option to leave.
Lily Daniel said that my dad told her son that we children are against our dad working for LEF as we are concerned that our parents will not be able to provide baby-sitting services for our children. My dad also told John Daniel that my dad feels miserable when he is in the US and we children are forcing him to move to US and he doesn't want to move to US and that's why he wants to do LEF work. Also, my dad begged them and pleaded with them to keep him in ministry even though they told him it is totally up to him to leave but he showed the Bible verse that warns him not to look back after putting the hand on the plow and that's why they let him stay as he wanted to obey God's call.
At this point Lily Daniel thought she did the most important job of establishing that all of this was my dad's decision and none of this was forced on him which is precisely what my dad tells. He repeatedly says that he is voluntarily doing this and LEF does not pay him a pie. On the contrary, he spends his own money to do what he is doing as "God abundantly blessed him" and he is doing this to show his gratitude to God"
Of course, Lily Daniel might have thought that I would not have any more leg to stand on as now she has told me that my dad was not forced into this and that all of this was his doing and none of it was their fault. Don't I know this blame game too well?
C. Lily Daniel explains the Biblical basis of how LEF operates
After she told me that my dad was doing all of this with his own free will, I told Lily Daniel - "Yes, I understand that it was all my dad's decision but you are running a "church" and not some business and I am sure you all have some policies and procedures in place. According to LEF rule book, what are the qualifications for someone to become an evangelist in LEF?
She quickly read out a list - good testimony, God's call, being capable of leading by example, sacrifice...
My question: How did my dad qualify for the job? He doesn't have a good testimony according to your LEF rules. I know of several people who were kicked out of their centers because their children did not marry LEF spouses. All three of us children are married outside LEF. In fact, one of us children is married to a Hindu. Then she asked what about the other two I said - one from Church of South India and another from some Baptist. She said these two churches are quasi Christian and people from these churches are as good as Hindus.
My response: If that is your opinion and it is precisely my point too. How can a man who could not raise his own children according to your organization's rules and regulations become a pastor in your church? What is he going to preach to others if he himself is a huge failure based on what you told me?
At this point, she realized that she was getting trapped and started some Bible references and I knew what slippery slope that was.
I: "Ma'am, I am not interested in having theological discussions. As you yourself believe, I am not even a Christian according to your idea of who a Christian is and so please do not quote from the Bible. Talk to me like a lay person because I am a lay person.
Now Lily tried to beat around the bush but I kept pressing her to tell me how my dad qualified to win a spot on their team.
Finally the true manipulative monster in her came out.
Lily Daniel: You children chose your own ways and why are you stopping your dad from doing his own thing? Like all LEF people, he feels like a fish out of water when he is with his family and that's why we are helping him to get away from you all and that is also the reason he doesn't want to come to US as he does not get job satisfaction when he is with his family. He is a man who had lot of power and how can you all use him to do chores like taking care of the household stuff? He needs to feel like a boss and that's why he wanted his own center and we gave it to him.
I: Ma'am, now you are talking about the real thing and also the dirty games that I all the while suspected LEF will play with people. So, my dad wants to get even with us children because we did not marry in LEF and you are providing ammunition to fight us."
Lily : No, no...that't not what I am saying. I am just saying that your dad needs a way out and also I know that he is really serving the Lord and all this confusion is Biblical. People blindly believe that Jesus came to give peace but that is not true. Son of God came to create strife and it is written in the Bible that - son will turn against father, mother against daughter and mother in law against daughter in law as Jesus brought the sword with him and not peace. You see that in my own family as we are serving God the way we are being divided.
I: So, all families in LEF are trained to have fights and you encourage these fights as all of these are Biblical. Then what about my mother who is my father's responsibility? She is not going with him and also he needs to stay alone in Nalgonda and that's not good for him too. Which Bible verse supports that a man can abandon his sick wife to do LEF work?
Lily: Don't worry about your dad. He looked very healthy to me. He is not weak or anything. We gave him a room and there will be a family to cook for him and feed him. You know Andhra people love pastors and your dad will not have any dearth for food.
I: So, you all the while planned to separate him from his wife by providing just a room for him to stay in Nalgonda as you figured that's all he needs and you tell us to keep a full-time helper to take care of my mom. Also, how will my dad help all the women in the church if his wife is not around and not supporting him?
Lily: Don't worry about such things as your dad will not fall into any such traps as we in LEF are very careful. Also, is your mother not one with your dad in the spirit in all this?
I: I don't understand all your complicated language of being one in the spirit. All I know is she hates being near LEF people and that's the reason she did all she could to keep us children away from LEF.
Lily: So, your mother supported you children and not her husband in your marriages. Does she not attend LEF?
I: Like any good mother, my mother sought the well being of her children over everything else and yes, she is not a great fan of LEF. She went to LEF as my dad took her there and she will be more than happy not to go if my dad doesn't breathe down her neck and force her to go to LEF.
Lily: Oh, you are now enlightening me on a lot of stuff. So, your parents are one in the flesh and not in the spirit.
I: You did not know that my mom is against LEF? Have you ever seen my mother? Did she ever come to your retreats? Did she ever come and see you when you visited Hyderabad?
Lily: I didn't think about all these things. Your dad is the only one we talk to and he never enlightened us on all this. I will speak to your parents in the May retreat and decide what to do.
I: I already told you my mother will not come and stand at your door step. If you want to talk to her, you need to go and see her in Hyderabad. That's how this works.
Lily Daniel found it very offensive that I told her that she needs to go and see my mom and not the other way around
Lily: What do you mean she won't come? If she has a problem, she has to talk to us.
I: We know how to solve this problem. All we wanted was to know before we take that route to see if sense would prevail and if you would take steps to fix the problem. Be ready to face us in courts. You are running an organization and you have clearly stated that according to your Bible teachings you teach people that they are truly serving God when they walk out from their families and abandon their wives as you teach people that the Bible tells that Jesus came not to give peace but strife. So, you create strife in families as you make people believe that it is the true way to serve God and you are going to come to the courts and explain all this.
Lily: Why are you talking about courts and all that, madam? I am going to work on this during May retreat when we see your dad.
With this last statement I ended the conversation.
http://lefwhistleblower.blogspot.com/2016/01/about-blogger.html
Here is the gist of the conversation:
A. I explained to her in detail my mother's health condition and how it is causing us enormous stress having our dad out to do LEF work and how my mother is dead against my dad being used like this in their old age.
Lily Daniel's questions and suggestions:
a. Is your mother in diapers? Is she immobile?
b. Why don't you appoint a nurse or get a full-time helper? You will definitely find some Godly christian women who can stay with your mother full-time while your dad is taking care of the ministry in Nalgonda.
(I used a lot of restraint and stopped myself from blasting this crazy woman as I wanted to gather as much information from this woman as possible which I know I needed to nail them)
I rather politely told her these are options we will look at if my dad who is the primary care taker is dead or my mother agrees to get a full-time helper at home. As of now my mother is not open to the option of getting full-time help as it will be a huge hassle managing servants.
B. Lily Daniel explains how my dad is the one who is exercising faith and is guided by God to do all he is doing even though they gave him the option to leave.
Lily Daniel said that my dad told her son that we children are against our dad working for LEF as we are concerned that our parents will not be able to provide baby-sitting services for our children. My dad also told John Daniel that my dad feels miserable when he is in the US and we children are forcing him to move to US and he doesn't want to move to US and that's why he wants to do LEF work. Also, my dad begged them and pleaded with them to keep him in ministry even though they told him it is totally up to him to leave but he showed the Bible verse that warns him not to look back after putting the hand on the plow and that's why they let him stay as he wanted to obey God's call.
At this point Lily Daniel thought she did the most important job of establishing that all of this was my dad's decision and none of this was forced on him which is precisely what my dad tells. He repeatedly says that he is voluntarily doing this and LEF does not pay him a pie. On the contrary, he spends his own money to do what he is doing as "God abundantly blessed him" and he is doing this to show his gratitude to God"
Of course, Lily Daniel might have thought that I would not have any more leg to stand on as now she has told me that my dad was not forced into this and that all of this was his doing and none of it was their fault. Don't I know this blame game too well?
C. Lily Daniel explains the Biblical basis of how LEF operates
After she told me that my dad was doing all of this with his own free will, I told Lily Daniel - "Yes, I understand that it was all my dad's decision but you are running a "church" and not some business and I am sure you all have some policies and procedures in place. According to LEF rule book, what are the qualifications for someone to become an evangelist in LEF?
She quickly read out a list - good testimony, God's call, being capable of leading by example, sacrifice...
My question: How did my dad qualify for the job? He doesn't have a good testimony according to your LEF rules. I know of several people who were kicked out of their centers because their children did not marry LEF spouses. All three of us children are married outside LEF. In fact, one of us children is married to a Hindu. Then she asked what about the other two I said - one from Church of South India and another from some Baptist. She said these two churches are quasi Christian and people from these churches are as good as Hindus.
My response: If that is your opinion and it is precisely my point too. How can a man who could not raise his own children according to your organization's rules and regulations become a pastor in your church? What is he going to preach to others if he himself is a huge failure based on what you told me?
At this point, she realized that she was getting trapped and started some Bible references and I knew what slippery slope that was.
I: "Ma'am, I am not interested in having theological discussions. As you yourself believe, I am not even a Christian according to your idea of who a Christian is and so please do not quote from the Bible. Talk to me like a lay person because I am a lay person.
Now Lily tried to beat around the bush but I kept pressing her to tell me how my dad qualified to win a spot on their team.
Finally the true manipulative monster in her came out.
Lily Daniel: You children chose your own ways and why are you stopping your dad from doing his own thing? Like all LEF people, he feels like a fish out of water when he is with his family and that's why we are helping him to get away from you all and that is also the reason he doesn't want to come to US as he does not get job satisfaction when he is with his family. He is a man who had lot of power and how can you all use him to do chores like taking care of the household stuff? He needs to feel like a boss and that's why he wanted his own center and we gave it to him.
I: Ma'am, now you are talking about the real thing and also the dirty games that I all the while suspected LEF will play with people. So, my dad wants to get even with us children because we did not marry in LEF and you are providing ammunition to fight us."
Lily : No, no...that't not what I am saying. I am just saying that your dad needs a way out and also I know that he is really serving the Lord and all this confusion is Biblical. People blindly believe that Jesus came to give peace but that is not true. Son of God came to create strife and it is written in the Bible that - son will turn against father, mother against daughter and mother in law against daughter in law as Jesus brought the sword with him and not peace. You see that in my own family as we are serving God the way we are being divided.
I: So, all families in LEF are trained to have fights and you encourage these fights as all of these are Biblical. Then what about my mother who is my father's responsibility? She is not going with him and also he needs to stay alone in Nalgonda and that's not good for him too. Which Bible verse supports that a man can abandon his sick wife to do LEF work?
Lily: Don't worry about your dad. He looked very healthy to me. He is not weak or anything. We gave him a room and there will be a family to cook for him and feed him. You know Andhra people love pastors and your dad will not have any dearth for food.
I: So, you all the while planned to separate him from his wife by providing just a room for him to stay in Nalgonda as you figured that's all he needs and you tell us to keep a full-time helper to take care of my mom. Also, how will my dad help all the women in the church if his wife is not around and not supporting him?
Lily: Don't worry about such things as your dad will not fall into any such traps as we in LEF are very careful. Also, is your mother not one with your dad in the spirit in all this?
I: I don't understand all your complicated language of being one in the spirit. All I know is she hates being near LEF people and that's the reason she did all she could to keep us children away from LEF.
Lily: So, your mother supported you children and not her husband in your marriages. Does she not attend LEF?
I: Like any good mother, my mother sought the well being of her children over everything else and yes, she is not a great fan of LEF. She went to LEF as my dad took her there and she will be more than happy not to go if my dad doesn't breathe down her neck and force her to go to LEF.
Lily: Oh, you are now enlightening me on a lot of stuff. So, your parents are one in the flesh and not in the spirit.
I: You did not know that my mom is against LEF? Have you ever seen my mother? Did she ever come to your retreats? Did she ever come and see you when you visited Hyderabad?
Lily: I didn't think about all these things. Your dad is the only one we talk to and he never enlightened us on all this. I will speak to your parents in the May retreat and decide what to do.
I: I already told you my mother will not come and stand at your door step. If you want to talk to her, you need to go and see her in Hyderabad. That's how this works.
Lily Daniel found it very offensive that I told her that she needs to go and see my mom and not the other way around
Lily: What do you mean she won't come? If she has a problem, she has to talk to us.
I: We know how to solve this problem. All we wanted was to know before we take that route to see if sense would prevail and if you would take steps to fix the problem. Be ready to face us in courts. You are running an organization and you have clearly stated that according to your Bible teachings you teach people that they are truly serving God when they walk out from their families and abandon their wives as you teach people that the Bible tells that Jesus came not to give peace but strife. So, you create strife in families as you make people believe that it is the true way to serve God and you are going to come to the courts and explain all this.
Lily: Why are you talking about courts and all that, madam? I am going to work on this during May retreat when we see your dad.
With this last statement I ended the conversation.
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Forget about Lily Daniel being enlightened about my family. This conversation enlightened me and I am sure it is surely enlightening my readers. So, this explains the irrational and cruel behavior of many who are drunk with LEF philosophy. I always wondered how my dad could be so cruel and hard- hearted when it comes to his family but then so eloquently preach to people about the "love of God." It is because in his convoluted thinking and that of many LEF victims, the hurt that they cause to their families is proportionate to the love they have for God. So, people like my dad are heroes in LEF who get all the praise and honor as he is true to HIS calling because LEF managed to create more than enough strife in his family that Jesus apparently told all his true disciples will have. How can anyone unsave these LEF people who are "saved" in LEF?