We wanted to open the floor for people to throw some light on LEF marriage system. Please keep the discussions healthy. A lot of LEF youngsters are reading this blog regularly. Please contribute wisely so that our youngsters who are awaiting marriages are benefited by this discussion. Here is the consolidation of some of the comments on the this topic.
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Marriages will be done in LEF by ensuring the below criteria.
Black boy matched with White girl.
White boy matched with Black girl.
Short boy matched with long girl.
Long boy matched with short girl.
Thin boy matched with stout girl.
Stout boy matched with thin girl.
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Marriages will be done in LEF by ensuring the below criteria.
Black boy matched with White girl.
White boy matched with Black girl.
Short boy matched with long girl.
Long boy matched with short girl.
Thin boy matched with stout girl.
Stout boy matched with thin girl.
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At about christmastime 56 years back the the late Joshua Daniel married Lily Daniel.While At about christmastime 56 years back the the late Joshua Daniel always spoke against love marriages At about christmastime 56 years back the the late Joshua Daniel's marriage itself is something for people to analyse and understand.I am quoting what was mentioned in the biography of his dad and At about Christmas time 56 years back the the late Joshua Daniel 's autobiographies.
At about Christmas time 56 years back the the late Joshua Daniel was driving a car and saw Lily Daniel crossing the road and it seems the lord spoke to him that he has to marry her.So the proposal was discussed and agreed between Lily Daniel's mom and Joshua Daniel's parents.
Lily Daniel had sisters to be married so Joshua Daniel and LD waited for some time and later got married during the Christmas vacation at Christ Church,Mount Road .(JD did not get married in any LEF prayer hall).
Joshua Daniel got engaged and courted for about 2 years and then married Lily Daniel.
Questions:
Did Joshua Daniel a Telugu Reddy marry a Tamil Nadar Doctor (daughter of a respected Engg College Professor) because it was the lord's will?
Was it ethically right for Joshua Daniel and his parents to propose marriage to Lily Daniel when there was an older sister who was not married during the proposal?.
If some one had seen a girl on the road and liked her /loved her and got married by mutual consent wouldn't the couple be branded as people who fell for the lust of the eyes and the flesh?
Conclusion:Joshua Daniel's marriage to Lily Daniel was a strategic decision .The late 50's saw the exodus of many christian Nadars from southern Tamilnadu to Chennai.After this proposal was clinched many people joined LEF. Dr.Vijaysingh and many more high profile nadars joined LEF. Joshua Daniel was very calculative and weighed all options and married someone above him in social status and his marriage to a doctor made him an ICON.Those days a commoner marrying a doctor lady was spectacular .
JD messed up the lives of many women doctors forcing them to marry lesser qualified Bible College Students and laid the foundation for many failure marriages.I will write more on that later.
At about Christmas time 56 years back the the late Joshua Daniel was driving a car and saw Lily Daniel crossing the road and it seems the lord spoke to him that he has to marry her.So the proposal was discussed and agreed between Lily Daniel's mom and Joshua Daniel's parents.
Lily Daniel had sisters to be married so Joshua Daniel and LD waited for some time and later got married during the Christmas vacation at Christ Church,Mount Road .(JD did not get married in any LEF prayer hall).
Joshua Daniel got engaged and courted for about 2 years and then married Lily Daniel.
Questions:
Did Joshua Daniel a Telugu Reddy marry a Tamil Nadar Doctor (daughter of a respected Engg College Professor) because it was the lord's will?
Was it ethically right for Joshua Daniel and his parents to propose marriage to Lily Daniel when there was an older sister who was not married during the proposal?.
If some one had seen a girl on the road and liked her /loved her and got married by mutual consent wouldn't the couple be branded as people who fell for the lust of the eyes and the flesh?
Conclusion:Joshua Daniel's marriage to Lily Daniel was a strategic decision .The late 50's saw the exodus of many christian Nadars from southern Tamilnadu to Chennai.After this proposal was clinched many people joined LEF. Dr.Vijaysingh and many more high profile nadars joined LEF. Joshua Daniel was very calculative and weighed all options and married someone above him in social status and his marriage to a doctor made him an ICON.Those days a commoner marrying a doctor lady was spectacular .
JD messed up the lives of many women doctors forcing them to marry lesser qualified Bible College Students and laid the foundation for many failure marriages.I will write more on that later.
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Joshua Daniel is not a Reddy. Somebody did a little bit of research on Daniel family and found out that N. Daniel came from the lowest rungs of Indian caste hierarchy but Devenamma Daniel seems to have had some roots from Telugu bourgeois community. But definitely neither Joshua Daniel nor his ancestors were born with silver spoon as some are made to believe in LEF
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In LEF JD and many evangelists enforced their thinking on marriages & alliances based on their assessment saying that it was god's will.This was happening from the 1960's till about 2010.I will explain it like this.
a)The parents of a girl who worships in LEF will speak to the local evangelist about their daughter who is to be married and would seek their help in identifying suitable partners.
b)The Evangelist would respond Ok Brother we will pray about it and i will ask brother joe .
c)The parents wait patiently for Joe to favourably respond.The evangelist would get to meet Joe during the Summer Retreat ,Students Retreat or in a Revival meeting.
d)Joe would weigh all factors and his first option would be to marry the girl to a Bible College Student.
e) If there were grooms in secular professions who sought prospective alliances those where identified as chosen few for JD's immediate circle of friends and relatives.
f)The Girl and the Guy will be intimated by the evangelist or JD as the groom /bride chosen by god and they would be asked to pray and find the will of God.
g)If there is no will of God they will be treated as disobedient people who dared to defy the will of God(will of JD).
h)In most situations those who rejected a proposal are not given a second chance .
i)There would a few few young people who would get a second chanced if they reject option B then they are treated as disobedient people.
j)The point to be noted here is that even if you get married you would end up marrying only after you have crossed the ideal years for marriage (27 for grooms and 23 for girls).
Marriage is over and then reality begins to strike in .
The couple realise that they do not have any compatibility and thats when problems begin.Now it is time for LEF to step in.
a)The LEF Evangelist and his wife the Nosey people poke their nose to understand the problem.
b)This problem becomes a prayer burden and people pray over it loudly in the mid week prayer meetings and fasting & prayer causing a lot of embarrassment to the couple and to their families.
c)As time progresses the couple bury their differences and learn to live in Harmony .So this becomes the success story of LEF marriages and people say that Bro.Joe prayed and counselled them.
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Problems continue but children are born and children are raised in a conflict zone where they are witness to parents who have nothing in common .The only thing that is common is LEF faith.Children grow up not knowing what it is to live in a happy home and when it is time for them to marry they end up doing the same mistakes done by their parents.
I have witnessed many bad marriages of Fellowshipers who were/whose parents were big financial contributors to LEF during my association with the Organization.
I would strongly advise any person who wishes to get married to make their choices after prayer and careful consideration of all ground realities .Dont rush in to marriage.It is good to get married but it is important to get married to the right person.
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Some classic cases of marriages brokered by JD with his evangelists using their fuzzy logic (God's will)in LEF.I will try my best to keep it as discreet as possible.
The objective of my comment is to warn people against marrying in the LEF framework (God's will enforcement)
a) A Bible College Student and a Doctor were married as JD felt it was God's will.They served after the marriage setting up a gospel clinic and LEF centre in God's own country.They had children but split up.
b) A Bible College Student from South Tamilnadu married an Andhra Evangelist's daughter as JD felt it was God's will.Two years after the marriage the girl died leaving a baby.JD brokered marriage -2 for this person with a girl from north east.After some time this evangelist broke away from LEF and set up his own centre carrying away a sizeable number of the congregation.
c)A gentleman from the Temple Town of Tamilnadu was working in the Capital of India.He was asked to marry a Nursing Professional who was senior to him in age (5 or 6 years).He married and had children of the marriage.He was very closely associated with JD but later politics took toll on his relationship with JD and he quit LEF.
d)There was a worship leader who worked in the capital of Telangana and hailed from the capital of Tamilnadu.He was asked to marry a Bihari Girl who was not medically fit for marriage.The marriage was solemnised by JD in the National Capital and the marriage failed.The marriage ended in a divorce but now i hear that the gentleman has married again and is in ministry outside LEF.
e) There was a very nice family from the capital of Tamilnadu who as a family gave their time,treasure and talent to LEF throughout the year.Their older daughter was married to an LEF Evangelist trainee.They married and moved to the North East.The girl developed medical complications and died.The LEF Evangelist trainee now an evangelist married again (brokered and moderated by JD)and has moved out of full time ministry into a secular job .
Friends i warn you.Marriage is an event which must happen only once in lifetime.You should not look at marriage as Lizard did (Changing husbands frequently).Please pray and make the right choices.If you are unhappy over your marriage pray to god and ask for his intervention.Don't allow your evangelist or the goonda family room to interfere in your life.
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