Kindly use discretion while reading this particular post. We would be doing our readers disservice if we do not talk about the kind of patterns we are observing from the comments we are seeing on the blog and hence we feel the need to post this. This should sound a blaring alarm to all the people who are dealing with young boys and girls in LEF - parents elders, pastors etc. What do young boys and girls go through when they see contradictions about the moral standards in LEF?
Here are some big contradictions that our people in LEF have seen in the recent past because of Joshua Daniel and his family's dubious ways.
1. Immanuel Chakravarthy who was seen as the right hand man of Joshua Daniel family is made to get on the stage on an anniversary day celebration and confess his immorality and his sexual escapades with a married woman. What was the rationale behind giving him the stage to come and clean his dirty linen in front of such wide audience? In any typical LEF gathering, people of all ages are shoved into one hall and no idiot in LEF thinks before s/he starts his/her rambling from the stage. Why corrupt the minds of small children, adolescents and young adults with these kinds of confessions? Why should a 5 year old child sitting in the audience hear the confessions of Immanuel Chakravarthy's immorality? How is that going to benefit the child? What does hearing such lurid stuff do to the psyche of a child? What right do these LEF rogues have to steal the innocence of small children? In which civil society do we see this kind of rubbish being forced down the throats of small children all in the name of listening to "God's word?"
2. Betty Daniel's boy friend came in as a May retreat attendee in the 2011 and all these young boys and girls saw him as yet another white skin man and ran to him to get prayed over and get his autographs. All LEF people know Betty Daniel was single and divorced and they see this woman flirting with that pastor guy she brought along to the retreat. She did all of this while playing piano and singing in May retreat right under the nose of Joshua Daniel. To top it all, all of Betty's escapades happened while Joshua Daniel was bashing up people with his holiness talk. Please remember that all of this happened when many young girls and boys were standing in big marriage queues in front of Joshua Daniel's room. And most of these young people are forced into marriages with spouses whom they have never seen/known/ talked to/ before in most cases. Of course, the punch line is all of them were told to find God's will after Joshua Daniel gave his will. As this is not enough, Betty Daniel's boy friend posted all the exotic pictures from the 2011 India trip he took with Betty Daniel, daughter of Joshua Daniel, the holiness crusader of the century on FB. These pictures ranged from those taken from Masinagudi (the resort home of Daniels) to those taken in London. All these pictures are now seen by all the boys and girls who are "friends" with Betty and her then boy friend on FB. (Just a side note- Betty keeps reminding people that she has to keep adding more FB profiles as more and more lost sheep want to become her friends!!!)
While Betty's way of life may be common place in the western society, people need to understand Indians don't sit well with this kind of nonsense and more so in LEF setting where people are bashed up day in day out on how to lead holy lives. Even though a lot of questions arise in the minds of LEF people when they see such blatant contradictions, they can never voice them out. Even if some young people voice out their questions about things like these, they are quickly snubbed with another dose of Godly admonitions and threats of being cursed for "touching the God's anointed."
While people are still coming to terms with Immanuel Chakravarthy's confessions, Betty Daniel posts the pictures of her third marriage on FB. And then another ignominious letter banning Betty Daniel for grieving God in following her own will in her third marriage is sent out to all the LEF centers. Apparently the dying man Joshua Daniel wrote this letter banning his daughter from LEF stages once and for all and instructed that this letter be read in all the LEF centers during Sunday service, Wednesday service and also Saturday fasting prayers. Who were in the audience when this letter was read? Thousands of LEF people from remote villages, small towns and big cities heard this obscene letter read from LEF pulpits. Mind you, the audience makes up people of all ages - small children to old people!!!All that the people can conclude is that Joshua Daniel followed some three strikes rule to give his final verdict to banish his daughter to wilderness. Why this righteous reaction when Betty got married for the third time? Why there was no such noise the first two times? May be Joshua Daniel pardoned the last two marriages out of his fatherly love and magnanimity but the third one seemed to be like the last straw that broke the camel's back.
But then our young children have the same question - Didn't Joshua Daniel see his daughter's third marriage coming just like he didn't see Immanuel Chakravarthy's wickedness till it was all busted?
3.Then came the all infamous John Branch's dark life.This man's home church in Indiana found out that he was having a long term illicit relationship with his secretary while he was actually preaching to LEF people in May retreat in 2015. Within months, John Branch got divorced and we hear he married the woman he was flirting with behind his wife, Marcia's back. As this is not enough, a lot of LEF youngsters also started hearing that John Branch went out on a vacation with Lydia Daniel right after May retreat. All of this is happening while Lily Daniel and John Daniel are lashing out people from LEF pulpits trying to make good the loss of Joshua Daniel's death.
These are just the few things we were made aware of. We don't how many more such contradicting things our young children are seeing in LEF communities.
Have any of these LEF rogues wondered as to what these kinds of contradictions do to the psyche of thousands of young children who are trapped in this LEF mess? We have one sample of what contradictions like these can do to the minds of young people.
Our sample specimen is a guy called Anil who started posting comments on this blog with what seemed like righteous indignation to defend the God's anointed, the Daniels.
After seeing a couple of comments from him, we posted on this blog that his comments won't be entertained anymore till he proceeds with legal action against us as we challenged him to do. He was still persistent and sent two more comments:
Comment 1:
look, hindus know that sin will take hold of you if you talk ill of a died person. ask any hindu broughtups..they'll tell you all.. you, christians, don't have any sense as hindus have had.....look, i'm not getting a penny from daniel's to covet... they're rich... i'm nowhere. no need to point out my status..ok? you should have asked JD, when he's alive. you never did it.. now you're posting all.... it's not good for you...one board member and one medical doctor are also a part of this blog.. got it? as i told you, you don't have any guts in life to come out. why didn't you post my last message? dar gaya naa? chumma pesurum...evariki teliyadu..nee sangathi...at least you know "mee saangla ahe"?... what do you know in life? just harassing people.. --anil.
Comment 2:
dear whistleblower, you don't know about me..that's why you're telling me all nonsense. can i tell you about myself? 1. i've never entered into cine theater for 16 years. 2. i've never stolen anywhere since i was 15. but i did at home. 3. i've never touched cigar and hot drinks in life. 4. when god spoke to me not to enter into cine industry, it's happened for 15 years. 5. i've never copied in exams since tenth class. etc...hwz it possible? because jesus changed me.. it's all jesus....as you're thinking i was not..there're many interesting facts in my life. moreover, i'm not even close to JJD & Co. so i'm nothing in their sight. what do you have tell me? bible says "you shall not bear false witness against your neighbor". look whistleblower, having paid attention to talebearers, you've sucked the lives of innocent. what kind of character do you have in life? if you break a single commandment, you've broken all commandments in life. and you're stealing someone's good reputation --anil.
When he realized that we stopped posting his comments, this Anil who so far was preaching about Jesus' love and God's commandments started sending in comments with sexual content written in very bad taste. While we do not want to post his latest comment, we feel we need to post this for people who are reading this blog to understand what kind of damaged minds some of these Daniel die hard loyalists have. We have edited out some words he used that referred to body parts with XXX as we cannot stoop down so low to type those words out.
Comment 3:
you know? putting XXXXX into XXXXXX is called sex. sex thrills you a lot in the confinement of marriage..at the same time, illegal sex mars you a lot in life and gives you more kick than the former... select: sex in marriage or illegal sex?
While we are immune to this kind of nonsense and know better not drop dead and shut down the blog in the fear that more such comments may make their way, we also want our readers to understand the gravity of the situation with the youngsters growing up in LEF. We need to ask a fundamental question. How did our youngsters develop such split personalities? Imagine what will happen to the life of an innocent girl who gets married to a pervert like Anil? Guys like Anil might be the ones who will stand on their heads in front of Daniels to impress them. Anil might even go and boast that he is bashing up the whistle blowers and that WBers are scared of him and his comments and that's why his comments are not being published. If Anil is not yet married, he might be the kind of guy who will get the most priced girl as a reward for his devotion to Daniels and LEF. If Anil is already married, one can only imagine what kind of hell his wife might be growing through. In any case, the under lying problem for erratic behaviors such as these lie else where. We all need to understand that the disease is deep rooted and what we are seeing are the symptoms. This kind of loss of moral compass and perversion in people is seen when people are confused, battered and cannot cope with the contradictions they see, especially when these contradictions are seen in the lives of people who claim to be the bearers of divine truth.
My dear friends, at the turn of another new year, please reconsider your decisions about LEF. Please do not ruin the lives of young children. Some of the older people have gotten used to this rot and have become rotten themselves. Our young children have their entire lives ahead of them. Please take your precious children and run away from this filth. Our young children deserve the best. They definitely don't deserve being fed husk. Our children are not pigs to be left to wallow in this filth in LEF. Our children are worth more and LEF and its rogues have nothing good to offer to our growing children except husk that is fed to the pigs and gutter and sewage for the pigs roll in. These rogues may be getting ready for another circus show to put up for our young children which they call "Student's retreat." If it is just a circus show, may be we won't be this worried. But these retreats are turning out to be gatherings for our kids to go and get fed husk and a place where our kids are thrown into the gutter. We were skeptical when someone mentioned to us earlier that all that these young boys do when they go to retreats in Beulah Garden is get out their phones and point them at the girls and zoom their cameras and watch the girls. Seeing these comments from Anil, we are afraid that what we heard from this person about what our boys and girls are doing at the retreats may actually be true. This John Daniel and his wife are the biggest fools on the earth to show case their young growing girls on the stage if this is what the boys in the audience are doing. This kind of moral debacle happens when young children see that the emperors (Daniels and their stooges) in LEF are walking naked. Who knows which evil and filthy man John Daniel will now bring to fill the vacancy that was created by the John Branch's disappearance? How can you be sure it won't be another John Branch type of guy if not worse?
We plead with you on the first day of this New Year to open your eyes and see things. Protect your precious children and your families!!!
May the New Year give us a break from these LEF predators. We wish you all a peaceful and prosperous New year.
Here are some big contradictions that our people in LEF have seen in the recent past because of Joshua Daniel and his family's dubious ways.
1. Immanuel Chakravarthy who was seen as the right hand man of Joshua Daniel family is made to get on the stage on an anniversary day celebration and confess his immorality and his sexual escapades with a married woman. What was the rationale behind giving him the stage to come and clean his dirty linen in front of such wide audience? In any typical LEF gathering, people of all ages are shoved into one hall and no idiot in LEF thinks before s/he starts his/her rambling from the stage. Why corrupt the minds of small children, adolescents and young adults with these kinds of confessions? Why should a 5 year old child sitting in the audience hear the confessions of Immanuel Chakravarthy's immorality? How is that going to benefit the child? What does hearing such lurid stuff do to the psyche of a child? What right do these LEF rogues have to steal the innocence of small children? In which civil society do we see this kind of rubbish being forced down the throats of small children all in the name of listening to "God's word?"
2. Betty Daniel's boy friend came in as a May retreat attendee in the 2011 and all these young boys and girls saw him as yet another white skin man and ran to him to get prayed over and get his autographs. All LEF people know Betty Daniel was single and divorced and they see this woman flirting with that pastor guy she brought along to the retreat. She did all of this while playing piano and singing in May retreat right under the nose of Joshua Daniel. To top it all, all of Betty's escapades happened while Joshua Daniel was bashing up people with his holiness talk. Please remember that all of this happened when many young girls and boys were standing in big marriage queues in front of Joshua Daniel's room. And most of these young people are forced into marriages with spouses whom they have never seen/known/ talked to/ before in most cases. Of course, the punch line is all of them were told to find God's will after Joshua Daniel gave his will. As this is not enough, Betty Daniel's boy friend posted all the exotic pictures from the 2011 India trip he took with Betty Daniel, daughter of Joshua Daniel, the holiness crusader of the century on FB. These pictures ranged from those taken from Masinagudi (the resort home of Daniels) to those taken in London. All these pictures are now seen by all the boys and girls who are "friends" with Betty and her then boy friend on FB. (Just a side note- Betty keeps reminding people that she has to keep adding more FB profiles as more and more lost sheep want to become her friends!!!)
While Betty's way of life may be common place in the western society, people need to understand Indians don't sit well with this kind of nonsense and more so in LEF setting where people are bashed up day in day out on how to lead holy lives. Even though a lot of questions arise in the minds of LEF people when they see such blatant contradictions, they can never voice them out. Even if some young people voice out their questions about things like these, they are quickly snubbed with another dose of Godly admonitions and threats of being cursed for "touching the God's anointed."
While people are still coming to terms with Immanuel Chakravarthy's confessions, Betty Daniel posts the pictures of her third marriage on FB. And then another ignominious letter banning Betty Daniel for grieving God in following her own will in her third marriage is sent out to all the LEF centers. Apparently the dying man Joshua Daniel wrote this letter banning his daughter from LEF stages once and for all and instructed that this letter be read in all the LEF centers during Sunday service, Wednesday service and also Saturday fasting prayers. Who were in the audience when this letter was read? Thousands of LEF people from remote villages, small towns and big cities heard this obscene letter read from LEF pulpits. Mind you, the audience makes up people of all ages - small children to old people!!!All that the people can conclude is that Joshua Daniel followed some three strikes rule to give his final verdict to banish his daughter to wilderness. Why this righteous reaction when Betty got married for the third time? Why there was no such noise the first two times? May be Joshua Daniel pardoned the last two marriages out of his fatherly love and magnanimity but the third one seemed to be like the last straw that broke the camel's back.
But then our young children have the same question - Didn't Joshua Daniel see his daughter's third marriage coming just like he didn't see Immanuel Chakravarthy's wickedness till it was all busted?
3.Then came the all infamous John Branch's dark life.This man's home church in Indiana found out that he was having a long term illicit relationship with his secretary while he was actually preaching to LEF people in May retreat in 2015. Within months, John Branch got divorced and we hear he married the woman he was flirting with behind his wife, Marcia's back. As this is not enough, a lot of LEF youngsters also started hearing that John Branch went out on a vacation with Lydia Daniel right after May retreat. All of this is happening while Lily Daniel and John Daniel are lashing out people from LEF pulpits trying to make good the loss of Joshua Daniel's death.
These are just the few things we were made aware of. We don't how many more such contradicting things our young children are seeing in LEF communities.
Have any of these LEF rogues wondered as to what these kinds of contradictions do to the psyche of thousands of young children who are trapped in this LEF mess? We have one sample of what contradictions like these can do to the minds of young people.
Our sample specimen is a guy called Anil who started posting comments on this blog with what seemed like righteous indignation to defend the God's anointed, the Daniels.
After seeing a couple of comments from him, we posted on this blog that his comments won't be entertained anymore till he proceeds with legal action against us as we challenged him to do. He was still persistent and sent two more comments:
Comment 1:
look, hindus know that sin will take hold of you if you talk ill of a died person. ask any hindu broughtups..they'll tell you all.. you, christians, don't have any sense as hindus have had.....look, i'm not getting a penny from daniel's to covet... they're rich... i'm nowhere. no need to point out my status..ok? you should have asked JD, when he's alive. you never did it.. now you're posting all.... it's not good for you...one board member and one medical doctor are also a part of this blog.. got it? as i told you, you don't have any guts in life to come out. why didn't you post my last message? dar gaya naa? chumma pesurum...evariki teliyadu..nee sangathi...at least you know "mee saangla ahe"?... what do you know in life? just harassing people.. --anil.
Comment 2:
dear whistleblower, you don't know about me..that's why you're telling me all nonsense. can i tell you about myself? 1. i've never entered into cine theater for 16 years. 2. i've never stolen anywhere since i was 15. but i did at home. 3. i've never touched cigar and hot drinks in life. 4. when god spoke to me not to enter into cine industry, it's happened for 15 years. 5. i've never copied in exams since tenth class. etc...hwz it possible? because jesus changed me.. it's all jesus....as you're thinking i was not..there're many interesting facts in my life. moreover, i'm not even close to JJD & Co. so i'm nothing in their sight. what do you have tell me? bible says "you shall not bear false witness against your neighbor". look whistleblower, having paid attention to talebearers, you've sucked the lives of innocent. what kind of character do you have in life? if you break a single commandment, you've broken all commandments in life. and you're stealing someone's good reputation --anil.
When he realized that we stopped posting his comments, this Anil who so far was preaching about Jesus' love and God's commandments started sending in comments with sexual content written in very bad taste. While we do not want to post his latest comment, we feel we need to post this for people who are reading this blog to understand what kind of damaged minds some of these Daniel die hard loyalists have. We have edited out some words he used that referred to body parts with XXX as we cannot stoop down so low to type those words out.
Comment 3:
you know? putting XXXXX into XXXXXX is called sex. sex thrills you a lot in the confinement of marriage..at the same time, illegal sex mars you a lot in life and gives you more kick than the former... select: sex in marriage or illegal sex?
While we are immune to this kind of nonsense and know better not drop dead and shut down the blog in the fear that more such comments may make their way, we also want our readers to understand the gravity of the situation with the youngsters growing up in LEF. We need to ask a fundamental question. How did our youngsters develop such split personalities? Imagine what will happen to the life of an innocent girl who gets married to a pervert like Anil? Guys like Anil might be the ones who will stand on their heads in front of Daniels to impress them. Anil might even go and boast that he is bashing up the whistle blowers and that WBers are scared of him and his comments and that's why his comments are not being published. If Anil is not yet married, he might be the kind of guy who will get the most priced girl as a reward for his devotion to Daniels and LEF. If Anil is already married, one can only imagine what kind of hell his wife might be growing through. In any case, the under lying problem for erratic behaviors such as these lie else where. We all need to understand that the disease is deep rooted and what we are seeing are the symptoms. This kind of loss of moral compass and perversion in people is seen when people are confused, battered and cannot cope with the contradictions they see, especially when these contradictions are seen in the lives of people who claim to be the bearers of divine truth.
My dear friends, at the turn of another new year, please reconsider your decisions about LEF. Please do not ruin the lives of young children. Some of the older people have gotten used to this rot and have become rotten themselves. Our young children have their entire lives ahead of them. Please take your precious children and run away from this filth. Our young children deserve the best. They definitely don't deserve being fed husk. Our children are not pigs to be left to wallow in this filth in LEF. Our children are worth more and LEF and its rogues have nothing good to offer to our growing children except husk that is fed to the pigs and gutter and sewage for the pigs roll in. These rogues may be getting ready for another circus show to put up for our young children which they call "Student's retreat." If it is just a circus show, may be we won't be this worried. But these retreats are turning out to be gatherings for our kids to go and get fed husk and a place where our kids are thrown into the gutter. We were skeptical when someone mentioned to us earlier that all that these young boys do when they go to retreats in Beulah Garden is get out their phones and point them at the girls and zoom their cameras and watch the girls. Seeing these comments from Anil, we are afraid that what we heard from this person about what our boys and girls are doing at the retreats may actually be true. This John Daniel and his wife are the biggest fools on the earth to show case their young growing girls on the stage if this is what the boys in the audience are doing. This kind of moral debacle happens when young children see that the emperors (Daniels and their stooges) in LEF are walking naked. Who knows which evil and filthy man John Daniel will now bring to fill the vacancy that was created by the John Branch's disappearance? How can you be sure it won't be another John Branch type of guy if not worse?
We plead with you on the first day of this New Year to open your eyes and see things. Protect your precious children and your families!!!
May the New Year give us a break from these LEF predators. We wish you all a peaceful and prosperous New year.
Everything that the Whistleblowers have written above can be confirmed independently.
ReplyDeleteBetty Daniel's Facebook account is a major source of information, both about the facts, and about the damaged, confused mind that results not only from listening to LEF preaching, but from actually being brought up within the unhealthy confines of the Daniel family.
I wonder how the so-called 'Daniel Five' fit into this circus of confused messages and morals? Are they encouraged to attend the Indian LEF youth events? If not, why not? Were they exposed to the preaching hypocrisy of the notorious John Branch in private, as well as at May retreats, since he was latterly JD's best friend in the USA? Have they already been told the same lie that John Branch could not get a visa which John and Lily Daniel have been planning to tell retreat attenders, or that although John Branch had affairs, his poor, betrayed wife is really the one at fault? What are other so-called leaders in centres telling people about this?
LEF parents: Please warn other parents of young people not to send them to, or let them attend, LEF youth events. Better still, distance yourselves and your families completely from this corrupting cult before it is too late. Spiritual evil masquerading as spiritual good is far more poisonous to children and young oeople than a trip to the cinema could ever be.
Sad to see LEF has produced half baked cakes..who spit sadism and lustful abuse over WBs who are doing fantastic job.These guys have ADHD..and want to seek attention of daniels by doing some funny, immature monkey actions..But this is very serious business anil..you would recognise it only when ur wife is molested by people close to daniels or your sister is abused or taken nude photos n being blackmailed and you have no voice to raise..there are many families today in tears day and night because of this..for them WB took a stand..we appreciate their effort and pray God will use them to clean the temple for his glory in this new year...
ReplyDeleteanil you may take this personally and abuse me...but we love u..i write this with tears...
Thank you, Anonymous January 01, 2016 2:38 AM for your thoughtfulness. We are doing our best and we sometimes feel our best is not good enough to fight this kind of wickedness in LEF. We won't give up though. We believe that if we can make a difference to one person at a time, we can eventually succeed in our efforts to get at least few out of the clutches of these evil people in LEF. Not long ago we got a private email from a young girl who claimed to be the daughter of a LEF worker asking us for advice for her and all her friends as to what to do when it comes to marriages in LEF. The poor girl in her own incoherent way was saying that LEF boys are not to be trusted. Now I know after seeing this Anil episode what these innocent girls are afraid of. I know exactly what you mean when you say you are writing this with tears. I go through the same painful travails while writing some of these posts. Please remember us in your prayers.
Deletehi guys, i attend LEF Church regularly and also a regular reader of this blog. Today I thought of putting my tithe in the church but some how i got this feeling that my offerings may not be utilized properly for God's work. so i didn't put my tithe in today's service. But i hav this feeling : am i judging them, why should I worry how the money spent. my job is to give tithe in church, rest God will see, right? because i really don't have proof about the spending, only i hear from this site only. i'm confused. I can say almost all the churches have some thing or other so why not continue with our childhood church
ReplyDeleteThis is the answer that is sent to us from an elderly person who has a lot of experience in these matters:
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Part 1:
In the first place there is no New Testament instruction to tithe to any church. Tithing was an Old Testament instruction (giving a tenth of your income or goods). Therefore Joshua Daniel's insistence that believers tithe automatically to his organisation is not biblical. However most Christians who are members of a genuine local church need to support the needs of that church regularly. Otherwise its activities might be severely curtailed. There are also needs within the membership (remember what the New Testament churches were told to do about widows and orphans). The church as a local body decides how its income should be spent, usually at regular church membership meetings, and by majority vote if there is any disagreement. It may need to support a full-time pastor, as well as provide for the upkeep and utilities of its building etc.
The question is, what constitutes a church? Without answering that question your questions about what to do with your money cannot be answered. The New Testament gives examples of what a church is, and how churches should be governed, and by whom. Initially the apostle Paul instructed the men (e.g. Timothy, Titus) he had left behind to shepherd local converts, eventually to select appropriate men to be elders and deacons. However once these officers were in place, future leaders were to be approved and appointed by them in conjunction with the local church membership. A pastor may be recommended to the church by existing elders, but it is then up to the whole membership to test the gifts of that man and then formally call him into the ministry. A pastor is in effect a teaching elder. The ultimate power to retain or dismiss a pastor (or any other church leader) lies with the membership, voting after recommendations from the current eldership. A church leader should only be dismissed because of error in doctrine, or misbehaviour (e.g. sexual misconduct, misuse of funds, bullying etc.). As the apostle Paul wrote, every church member ('member of the Body') is as important as any other.
Part 2:
DeleteTherefore you should not give your money to anyone just because they ask for or expect it. As a member of a local body of Christ you are as responsible for decisions about the use of church funds as anyone else. So the first question is, are LEF centres churches in the New Testament sense?
1. Do they have a locally defined membership (that is, a group of known attenders who are born again and willing to be subject to New Testament principles as set out in the church's constitution, and whose request for membership has been agreed by the existing membership)?
2. Does they hold regular local membership meetings at which essential church matters, whether practical or spiritual, are openly discussed and decided by their members?
3. Do they have properly appointed local elders and deacons (see above)?
4. Do the centres produce regular accounts, so that every member can see exactly what every rupee of income has been spent on (this expenditure should already have been agreed in general by the local memberships, but the finer details should be made available to every church member on at least an annual basis)?
You ask whether you might be guilty of 'judging' if you question LEF's use of the money it exacts from meeting attenders. In fact you are called to be personally responsible for the use of such money, even if given to others for what you have been led to understand is God's work. You are called to discern whether those to whom you have given it in trust are worthy of that trust, and whether in fact they have disbursed it according to the wishes of the membership. When Jesus spoke of judging in a negative sense, he was talking about deciding the eternal destination of another, which no-one can do except God. God Himself has given you all that you have, and you cannot just absolve yourself from your duty of stewardship by handing it over to someone else without enquiring into what it will be used for, if that person is claiming that it will be used for the extension of God's kingdom. So your 'job' is not just to hand money over, as you suggest, and never mind the rest. That is laziness.
Yes, many churches have 'something or other', but this is not a comparison. We must all look into the planks in our own church's eye!
You have as much responsibility as anyone else to make sure that your place of worship is run as biblically as it can be, and included in that is its use of resources. If money goes out to others who are not worshipping locally (e.g. The Daniel family members), then the local membership must know why, and agree that it is the right thing to do.
To continue worshipping with a suspect group, and allowing yourself to be dominated by leaders whom you have not put into place, and who are not subject to church discipline as defined in a constitution, is again laziness.
Just because you have been subjected to LEF indoctrination since you were a child is no reason to continue being subject to it. You are an adult now, and you must take God-given responsibility for discerning whether it is a real church, and whether you should be attending it and supporting it financially.
How much of the New Testament is devoted to warnings against, and exposure of, hirelings? A lot! You should be able to question the LEF leadership about every detail of its expenditure and other matters. You should also be willing to do this if you are serious about the Christian faith. Being a Christian is about taking responsibility, not handing over your responsibilities to others, especially if there is any doubt about them.
i want to question and ask so many things after reading this blog regularly, but i'm a small man in the sense no one cares about me and how to question them is the dilemma. any way thank you thank you so much for answering my query by taking so much time. A BIG THANK YOU and please pray for me (Raju)
DeleteRaju:
DeleteIf any allegedly Christian group makes you feel like 'a small man',whom 'no-one cares about' and if you do not feel able to ask them frank questions, then they are not a Christian church and you should turn your back on them and find a real church.
There are many others in your position, but so many are afraid to stand up against corruption because LEF has bullied them into silence. They are told that God will punish them for questioning 'God's anointed'. This is a calculated lie. The Daniels are not 'God's anointed'. Only Jesus Christ can now be described as 'God's Anointed'. Anyone else who tries to use that title for him/herself is a blasphemer. Anyone who tries to implies that any Daniel family member is 'God's anointed' is an accomplice to blasphemy.
Therefore my prayer will be that you will be given biblical understanding independently from the Daniels' brainwashing techniques, and that you and others will be given the courage to get together outside of LEF and look for the way forward as Christians in your area.
Thank you for your posts, which mirror the confusion felt by many in your situation.
Jesus described Himself as 'the Truth'. Be seekers after truth, not prisoners of self-serving hirelings, like Joshua Daniel, John Daniel, Lily Daniel, Lydia Daniel, Betty Daniel and their admirers and acolytes.
January 01 6:26 AM. Find a Christian group that helps the poor flood victim and take part with them to show God's Love and tell them about Jesus. Your money will not be wasted. Bible promises that Proverbs. 19:17.
ReplyDeleteAnil, you seem to know bible and try to the right thing but still confused. Daniels are not rich. Living on wealth by manipulting and controlling peoples lives is not rich. Its the lowest, pathetic and poorest lives. Dont forget. The so called rich man had to beg even for a drop of water from Lazarus that seemed poor for this world but rich in Gods standarrds. Notice the rich man is not even mentioned by his name. Does not have an identity. But Lazarus rich for eternity. That is the real richness.
ReplyDeleteOne straight question to whistleblowers: did any one of you have experience of being forced to marry a person by bro.joe? And if not are you taking only failed marriages as an evidence? I personally have experience and he never forced me or any one I know. He only used to say pray about this and let him know. Wasn't it? It is individuals who said I got guidance and got married. Then how come the blame is completely on god's servants ?
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DeleteYou have missed the point. A final decision to marry is between the two parties involved. It is not up to anyone else, although in India parental involvement is more marked than elsewhere. It is certainly not acceptable for outsiders like Joshua and Lily Daniel, and now John Daniel, to interfere in the private lives of those who attend their meetings and support them financially. Intrusion into the private lives of others is the worst kind of arrogance. Lily Daniel once excused her husband's arrogance in such matters by claiming that 'he is their spiritual father'. This was meant to imply some kind of pastoral care, but it didn't stop Joshua and Lily issuing heartless threats to their vulnerable, alleged 'spiritual children' if they were not toeing the Daniel line. It was pointed out to Lily that the Bible tells us 'to call no man father but our Father in heaven'. She could offer no response. I know of no properly appointed evangelical church leader who would dare to intrude himself into the personal affairs of his congregation in the way that Joshua and Lily Daniel did, and some of the Daniels and their henchmen still do.
Whilst you claim that your experience was different, it is very plain that Daniel interference in others' personal lives has caused a considerable amount of suffering, not just in the failures of marriages dictated by them in one way or another, but in the Daniels' expressed disapproval of marriages not dictated by them, and their conscious refusal to help young men and women who felt the need of a life partner at a time not convenient to Daniel purposes - though why the young people felt it necessary to seek the approval of outsiders like the Daniels about such personal issues in the first place is the vital question. It has been posted here that Whistleblowers have received letters from confused and concerned young women who do not wish to wait until their thirties to marry, but feel, from experience, that this is what will be imposed upon them by the Daniels, and even by their own families if their parents are servile to Daniel (assumed) authority. Do you think that those who have posted here about such worries, and about the misery of some Daniel-dictated marriages, are making it up? Even if only one Daniel-dictated marriage comes to grief, it emphasises how wrong, dangerous, and culpable it was of that Daniel to influence the decision of that couple to marry.
As regards being told by Joshua Daniel to seek God's guidance - how many brain-washed or bullied LEF young people would have dared to have come back to Joshua Daniel and told him that God's guidance to them directly contradicted what Joshua Daniel clearly wanted them to do? And by what means were they told to determine 'God's guidance'? The only example of 'God's guidance' they are given by LEF is the random popping up into the mind of disconnected Bible verses or passages which seemed to fit the bill; however if something is on a person's mind, and they have some familiarity with the Scriptures, some kind of apparently related verse or passage is almost certainly going to come to mind. That is not biblical guidance.
Daniel intrusion occurs in every corner of their adherents' lives, not just in their marriages. I have seen parents consulting the Daniels (thousands of miles away in their Transatlantic ivory tower) about their children's education, their employment, their day-to-day movements, their holidays, even whose private home they should meet in for a follow-up meeting to a modest children's camp. It would not surprise me to discover that the Daniels dictate how often they should have a bath or shower! Of course one might blame the LEF victims for being so mindlessly subservient, but who impressed upon them for decades that God's will and Joshua Daniel's will are synonymous, by misusing Scripture to his own advantage?
Can anyone enlighten us as to what Daniel-style 'guidance' is actually supposed to be?
All the goondas who think you are serving the LORD by stealing , controlling abusing and ruining others lives listen to what Jesus is saying in Matthew 24:46-51
ReplyDelete46 If the master returns and finds that the servant has done a good job, there will be a reward. 47 I tell you the truth, the master will put that servant in charge of all he owns. 48 But what if the servant is evil and thinks, ‘My master won’t be back for a while,’ 49 and he begins beating the other servants, partying, and getting drunk? 50 The master will return unannounced and unexpected, 51 and he will cut the servant to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
You may think pulpit and recognition of your wickedness by LEF will take you to heaven. But Jesus warns you where you belong unless you repent and follow what JESUS said. JESUS IS COMING SOON TO GATHER HIS TRUE FOLLOWERS. Many lives you ruined and thought useless will be precious in his sight. You may think your are servants of the LORD but you will rot in hell when he returns if you don't repent. Remember God is not a liar and change his words to let you go and judge others. He will do what he said and deliver every precious lives you ruined from your wicked hands and you will begging for drop of water from their hands. SOON VERY SOON.