It is just immensely clear that whoever comes in contact with this cursed Daniel family is bound to be destroyed. The "one man show" of Daniel family is disastrous to both individuals and families alike. Dear LEF folks, please open your eyes and see how dire and hopeless the situation is. The rogue mom and her wretched children have nothing good to offer for the well being of your children and families.
HERE IS A VERY ERUDITE ANALYSIS FROM ONE OF OUR COMMENTATORS ON THIS JOHN BRANCH'S EPISODE AS IT RELATES TO LEF AND DANIEL FAMILY:
John Branch was never 'big' in anyone's eyes except those of naive retreat attenders in India. We are not talking about a man with acknowledged and major preaching gifts, but an obscure American man pounced upon by Joshua Daniel because he (John Branch) attributed the recovery of his son from a drowning accident to the dubious 'dead-raising powers' of Joshua Daniel himself. John Branch's preaching style was imitative, uninspired, and uninspiring; he seemed to spend most of his 'pastoral experience' in the USA conducting funerals. If LEF attenders genuinely benefited in any way from his appearances on the platform, it was simply to escape for a while from the even more tedious ramblings of the Daniel family, and the carefully schooled 'testimonies' of those they instruct to give them.
Joshua Daniel saw a potential dupe in John Branch, a man who felt deeply beholden to him, and who would therefore submit to him unquestioningly; a man who was unknown and unrecognised as anything special in his own setting, and would therefore very likely jump at the chance of rehearsing his 'preaching' skills in front of thousands of undiscriminating Indians, many of whom could not even understand what he was saying firsthand.
The temptation to be unquestioningly admired and respected by so many twice a year for the forseeable future was too much for John Branch to resist. Timothy was warned to 'lay hands on no man suddenly'. Why? Probably because a call to ministry has to be proven and recognised by other believers. It needs to be Divine and it needs to be confirmed and agreed by mature Christian church leaders; in this case it appears merely to have satisfied the will of one aging man who wanted people on the platform he regarded as 'his' who would suit his 'western' aspirations, without expecting to exercise the independence of thought that usually accompanies being a westerner.
John Branch was encouraged by the Daniels, and by many 'ordinary' LEF attenders, to 'think of himself more highly than he ought'. He was encouraged by Joshua Daniel, and latterly by Lily Daniel and John Daniel, to abandon his family in the USA in order to enjoy the unaccustomed adulation he received in India. As with secular 'celebrities', unwarranted adulation so often leads to sin, and particularly to sexual sin.
Joshua Daniel and family bear responsibility, together with John Branch himself, for what has happened to this family. No wonder Lily and John Daniel wanted to hush up John Branch's adultery and divorce by lying about a visa, and why they have been trying to blame his poor wife, Marcia.
Whats the big deal.They will act as though nothing happened and go about conducting their retreats with other white skinned people like the Tall Man from Perth ,the german from London .
ReplyDeleteAnonymous Nov. 15 8.21pm.
DeleteIf they are allowed to go on conductng their retreats, they will. However they need money for this. The gullibility of the older LEF people can't go on forever, because they cannot go on forever! If at least the younger generation can realise how rotten this LEF is, support must dwindle, surely!
So come on, younger generation, you have been blessed with enquiring minds, the ability to think reasonably, and more means to be able to research matters than your parents had. You will be doing your parents a big spiritual favour if you refuse to be dominated by this rogue family and its cultish organisation. I hope that even the Daniel granddaughters, or at least some of them, will rise to this challenge to rid yourselves and your families of the millstone of LEF and the oppressive 'reign' of the Daniel tribe.
Seek the Lord where He may be found, not where His name is disgraced.
Pluck the little foxes first, from the main stream, Our LAYMEN in E F are useless people, they cannot understand English, even they are able to , they never read Whisleblowers, they are the CATS who wants to drink MILK..(VENOM) CLOSING THEIR EYES. so the matter in this blog is not reached to many, especailly in Andhra, these people are the most stupid mongers. They believe jd is the incarnation of JD.. They literally believe the two fold AATHMA of JD is upon his business son jd. They already attributed the Title Pravaktha to him. JB is another pravaktha. The littlle foxes are coming to different centers living AC buildings bought by the crooked fellow, and enjoying the kingly life. These beggars are not even completed their graduation, not able to get a good job, but married a working woman tells people that they do not have bank account.( but only cash ) .... so who will help these AP blind people from the clutches of these money mongers... 10 of them became a bunch with a crooked and most cunning fellow as the master planner, ....come and see .... i will prove it by red handed arrest.....lol
DeleteI heared Suresh Marcus is going around showing off his closeness to John and Lily.It seems people gift him with Currency filled covers and also lot of Goodies.
DeleteCalu atlest now stop saying from the pulpit what's in the blog is not true ect. Any ways thanks to you its because of you many people know about the blog cause u keep complaining about it from the pulpit.
ReplyDeleteA very good point, Anonymous 15 @ 9.32!
DeleteThis naive young man, Caleb Daniel, has been instructed to say such things to LEF masses from the pulpit. Let him continue if he is too cowardly to refuse.
Better for him, though, if he had the God-given integrity to be 'on the Lord's side' in exposing his miscreant relatives and rescuing vulnerable Indians from their clutches.
God is not mocked, and our Saviour Himself warned that the love of money is at the root of all evil. The lust for power must come a very close second.....
Calu is a very good man.A good son,a good father a friend who always has a smile. thorough gentleman .I am sad that he is associated with the wrong people .
ReplyDeleteHow can anyone be 'a good man', yet simultaneously the accomplice of scoundrels? Caleb Daniel has admitted in private that he knows that what is being revealed by the WBs is true, yet he preaches the opposite to the abused victims. That is hypocrisy. A hypocrite cannot be described as 'a good man', even if you do like his smile!
DeleteJesus publicly called hypocrites 'whited sepulchres'. I expect some of them had nice smiles and looked after their families too.
DeleteIt is not too late for Caleb to repent and tell the truth, for as long as he is allowed in the pulpit.
Do it, Caleb, if you really care about the Gospel of Jesus Christ!
There are no unique rules for a great marriage. Great marriages are always comprised of things like good communication, fun, intimacy, quality time, humility, and conflict resolution.
ReplyDeletePastors know those things because they teach them to others. What I’ve learned is that once you can teach something you can begin to think you are an exception to the rule. Those in ministry are not exempt because they are eloquent or smart, and God hasn’t changed the laws of relationships for them just because they serve Him. When thinking about what makes a pastor’s marriage different, perhaps the most important thing to remember is that the same rules of marriage apply to everyone. If pastors want a great marriage they will need to apply the same advice they give their congregants.
We cannot expect a response from the great Holiness guys in NH Road.No doubt they are embarrassed over the expose.They would be surprised to know that this secret is now known to everyone.
ReplyDeleteThis is a very sad news for everyone who new John for many years, and to Maricia and children. Once again it is clear that no one is too big for temptation; let us take note of this and be watchful about ourselves. Let us remember John and his family in our prayers.
ReplyDeleteJohn Branch was never 'big' in anyone's eyes except those of naive retreat attenders in India. We are not talking about a man with acknowledged and major preaching gifts, but an obscure American man pounced upon by Joshua Daniel because he (John Branch) attributed the recovery of his son from a drowning accident to the dubious 'dead-raising powers' of Joshua Daniel himself. John Branch's preaching style was imitative, uninspired, and uninspiring; he seemed to spend most of his 'pastoral experience' in the USA conducting funerals. If LEF attenders genuinely benefited in any way from his appearances on the platform, it was simply to escape for a while from the even more tedious ramblings of the Daniel family, and the carefully schooled 'testimonies' of those they instruct to give them.
DeleteJoshua Daniel saw a potential dupe in John Branch, a man who felt deeply beholden to him, and who would therefore submit to him unquestioningly; a man who was unknown and unrecognised as anything special in his own setting, and would therefore very likely jump at the chance of rehearsing his 'preaching' skills in front of thousands of undiscriminating Indians, many of whom could not even understand what he was saying firsthand.
The temptation to be unquestioningly admired and respected by so many twice a year for the forseeable future was too much for John Branch to resist. Timothy was warned to 'lay hands on no man suddenly'. Why? Probably because a call to ministry has to be proven and recognised by other believers. It needs to be Divine and it needs to be confirmed and agreed by mature Christian church leaders; in this case it appears merely to have satisfied the will of one aging man who wanted people on the platform he regarded as 'his' who would suit his 'western' aspirations, without expecting to exercise the independence of thought that usually accompanies being a westerner.
John Branch was encouraged by the Daniels, and by many 'ordinary' LEF attenders, to 'think of himself more highly than he ought'. He was encouraged by Joshua Daniel, and latterly by Lily Daniel and John Daniel, to abandon his family in the USA in order to enjoy the unaccustomed adulation he received in India. As with secular 'celebrities', unwarranted adulation so often leads to sin, and particularly to sexual sin.
Joshua Daniel and family bear responsibility, together with John Branch himself, for what has happened to this family. No wonder Lily and John Daniel wanted to hush up John Branch's adultery and divorce by lying about a visa, and why they have been trying to blame his poor wife, Marcia.
Reference: Anonymous November 17, 2015 9:32 AM
DeleteIt looks like you want recognition, special talent and some of the other things in preachers!
It is interesting to see people blaming JD for the mistake of JB! On the same grounds, can you blame Jesus for accepting Peter and Iscariot as the two twelve disciples of his, knowing well in his heart that Peter would be denying him and Iscariot would be betraying him, later? But this JD does not even know that JB would commit a mistake like this! Think of it.
Based on what you said we will ask the pastor who comes to conduct your funeral not to do so - showing him your post. Why should he get a minus point for doing it?
It looks like you want recognition, special talent and some of the other things in preachers!
DeleteIt is not too much to expect a preacher to preach after studying the Bible and in meaningful manner, just as it is not too much to expect a train driver to drive properly. It is not possible to search every preacher, whether he will run away with my wife or daughter, so it is not too much to expect a holy living from a preacher.
It is interesting to see people blaming JD for the mistake of JB!
Nobody is blaming late JD for Branchy. But you must accept that Branchy was the closest confidant, for more than 10 years with JD and now If all say they were in the dark it is amusing. Are you sure JD never knew nothing about Branchy. (the he must have been as blind as a bat)
More worrying is the bum way the Daniel tribe told Mrs.Branch that it will announce that Branchy did not get a visa (it is a clear lie told from the platform) Can a preacher lie that too from the platform (maybe, I am expecting too much), Secondly is it Mrs.Branchs fault, That is too much, and thirdly the plan to sweep it all under the carpet is plain wrong.
I don’t care for my funeral, as I will be beyond caring, who knows whether you will be at my funeral or me at yours, death is not planned
It seems that Anonymous Nov. 18 1.20pm equates Joshua Daniel with Jesus Christ!
DeleteI think that says it all, really......
Not at all! Just the incidents that happened, who did, what they did and how they did are mentioned for clear understanding.Any number of wrong interpretations you give can not change it.
DeleteAnonymous November 18, 2015 11:16 PM said, ‘……..Nobody is blaming late JD for Branchy………….”
DeletePl. refer to the post (Anonymous November 17, 2015 9:32 AM) “……………Joshua Daniel and family bear responsibility, together with John Branch himself, for what has happened to this family…..”
Anonymous Nov. 20 12.55pm
DeleteIt was John Branch who actually committed acts of adultery over a period. It was Joshua Daniel (and family) who selfishly brought about the circumstances in this weak man's life which separated him from his family, gave him 'delusions of grandeur', and stumbled him into sinning. Both parties bear responsibility for the destruction of the Branch marriage.
Shame on those who are trying to distort these matters in order to protect either John Branch or Joshua Daniel and family! You would be better occupied in requesting that John Branch and the Daniel family explain their actions and apologise to all those affected by the consequences, especially to Mrs. Marcia Branch and the children.
Do not forget, LEF supporters, that Revelation TV, the channel chosen by Joshua Daniel to broadcast his programme 'The Lord's Challenge' in the UK, is still being investigated by the UK Charity Commission because of allegations of misuse of charitable income for personal gain.
ReplyDeleteTake a look at the following link, and see if you find any behaviour from this Condor family which reminds you of the Daniels' operations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9-w7lGv_7Q
Revelation TV has its own Whistleblowers who have brought about this necessary investigation.
'Birds of a feather flock together', as the saying goes......
Anonymous Nov. 16 at 5.32am
DeleteLEF supporters should bear in mind that the Daniels give your tithes and offerings, via a naive 'team' of non-Indians in London, to Revelation TV to finance these Conder rogues' lifestyle, in addition to using your tithes and offerings to finance their own less than modest, ill-begotten lifestyles.
They give your money to these Conder people so that Joshua Daniel's hypocritical ramblings can continue to be broadcast, and they will obtain more support and income from gullible listeners. This is born of a lust for power and money, and is a never-ending cycle of evil.
The man in the video, Howard Conder, is trotting out all the familiar arguments designed to cover up evil in Christian leadership, in which evil he, as well as the other couple about whom he speaks, is also involved. Same old misapplied Scriptures, same false air of sincerity, same crude technique of trying to make those seeking to protect the vulnerable flock against evil men feel as if they are the guilty ones.
DeleteNo wonder that Joshua Daniel selected this hireling and his self-serving TV station to broadcast his own 'messages'!
I request those who have read this blog to please pray for the restoration of the marriage.Thats the right christian response.We cannot be sitting in the Amphitheater passing comments on the situations .We shall kneel down and pray for god's intervention.
ReplyDeleteDivorce is over and you want a restoration? What logic is that?
DeleteTwisted logic...
DeleteI agree.
DeleteAnonymous Nov. 17 4.31 am
DeleteWhy LEF logic, of course! Centred on the interests of the Daniels, not on the sensitivities of the family in question.
Anonymous November 17, 2015 4:31 AM:
DeleteYou asked, “Divorce is over and you want a restoration? What logic is that?” And a bunch of appreciators!
O.K., We have all sinned and we all need the restoration to God through the blood of Jesus, right? Do you see any similarity and logic in these two?
AnonymousNovember 17, 2015 12:06 PM
DeleteNo I don't see any logic between Gods restoration and getting back after a divorce . Which era do you live in? Are you trying to say that the wife should take back her cheating husband just because God advocates restoration? Is this your way of saying that men have the license to cheat but women don't and should not retaliate by redeeming themselves from an obvious one sided relationship ? And of course those who divorce are prayed for so that they may have a change of heart (or else they don't have a Christ like attitude) .
It is very easy to pontify and give all kinds advice when situations like these happen to others. Dear Anonymous November 17, 2015 12:06 PM, be honest with yourself and ask yourself if you would want people to pray for the restoration of marriage after you divorced your spouse for cheating you. God forbid that such a thing happens to you. But just in case it does, what would be your reaction to it? Also, what would you expect people to do for you, once you called it quits and walked out of the marriage to protect your sanity and the sanity of your children? Would you want people pray that you get back with your spouse who defiled your marriage by having an extramarital relationship? Please think and empathize before getting into "preacher's" mode.
DeleteFirst the Daniel Family will split poor Branch's, then it will reunite, Great, (better than TV stories)
DeleteGod, the Creator of humanity and of marriage itself, has laid out His plan for marriage as a lifelong union. God knows this design is the best. When we stray from His plan, as we have seen that the results are damaging on many levels.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, the divorce rate in the church is comparable to that of the culture at large. Many Christians see nothing wrong with divorce, at least in their own particular situation. But the Bible clearly addresses marriage and divorce.
Marriage is the first institution created by God. God made the first man, Adam, but declared that it was not good for Adam to be alone. He then brought to Adam all the animals, which Adam named, but "no companion suitable for him" was found (Genesis 2:20, NLT). God was revealing to Adam his incomplete nature. God then created a woman, Eve, for Adam. He blessed them and their union and gave them the earth to rule over. (See Genesis 1:27-28.) The creation of marriage occurred prior to sin's entrance into the world. It was a part of God's perfect design for mankind.
Through the prophets, God emphasized three principles:
Marriage is sacred
God hates divorce
Marriage is designed to produce children of good character. (See Malachi 2:13-16)
Jesus underscored the importance and sacredness of lifelong marriage in His own teachings. (See Matthew 19:6.)
The apostle Paul further taught that the marital relationship is to be an ongoing demonstration of the sacrificial love that Christ showed His church. (See Ephesians 5:21-33.)
If you are in a strained relationship Pray that God will open the lines of communication between you and your spouse and that He will restore the love in your relationship. And pray for patience and a forgiving spirit. Try to resist the temptation to say angry words to your spouse or do things that would push him or her further away. Restoration does occur even in the most hostile circumstances, but it is more difficult when harsh words have passed between you.
However the New Testament scriptures make it clear that an adulterer breaks the marriage bond, whatever may have preceded it. The marriage partner whose marriage bond has been thus broken by a husband or wife should not be condemned for bringing to a formal end to a marriage which has already been destroyed by the other. That is a decision which they are biblically entitled to make, just as they are entitled not to.
DeleteWe should be careful of giving gratuitous advice, especially retrospectively, to other Christians whom we do not know, and who have in all probability been agonising in prayer over such matters for a very long time. We should be even more careful not to suggest that the innocent party is in some way to blame for the adultery of the guilty one.
is Marcia on the face book?
ReplyDeleteHey Anonymous commenter Nov 16 2015,11:06 PM
DeletePlease don't dig the dirt connecting with people on Facebook and asking awkward questions.Respect their privacy and space.Social Network is not LEF.I hope you get the point.
A guy posted this blog post on Lizard's wall and she unfriended him.
ReplyDeleteHey Anonymous Nov 17, 7:13PM:: what's your problem? Why are you reacting? Are you Liz Daniel? we want to know the truth about JB who hid his pvt life and played with innocent people. we want to hear it from his estranged wife. No one has the right to play with the people. You may note the comment of anonymous Nov 17, 7:50PM. why she unfriended him? If you are holy and true why don't you answer to the blog posted by that guy? You people hide yourselves saying " we don't need to answer to the allegations, God knows bla bla bla bla..." but matter of the fact is you are exposed and u have nothing to say about it. So this is not about privacy but truth.
ReplyDeleteHey Anonymous November 17, 2015 9:57 PM
DeleteI am the biggest opponent of the Daniel family and their followers.What makes you think that i am a friend of the thrice married woman?.It is impolite to ask a lady who has been cheated ,about what went wrong with an intent to get finer details of the immoral act.As you get into finer details of the sexcapade your mind gets polluted and you end up with an abridged porno content.Leave this issue but confront the Daniels.Pull up your evangelist and ask him why he was not given the pulpit ,why John Branch was preferred over Indians Evangelists.It is up to you to take it or leave it.
AnonymousNovember 18, 2015 4:56 AM.
DeleteI agree with you. Going and accosting the hurt party is insensitive and impolite. This blog was started with the goal of unmasking the Daniels,not hurting the people who have been hurt by the Daniels.
Anonymous 17 Nov. 7.50pm
ReplyDeleteBetty Daniel/Liz van Camp/Mrs. Lambdin unfriends everyone who, in her view, fails to give her and her father the unqualified admiration and respect that she thinks they deserve.
Given the ongoing revelations about her family and its henchmen, she will soon be down to one FB friend, namely Mr. Lambdin (and even he must be having doubts!).
Unfortunately for Betty/Liz/Mrs. L., she makes it easy for people to keep track of her antics without having to kow-tow to her on Facebook (if anyone wants to, that is......). Such is the price people pay for trying to turn themselves into religious celebrities!
I am in a way very happy. Let me explain, The Cobra is a venomous snake, it is feared by even elephants. A mongoose is not afraid of the cobra, and will bite the cobra into pieces (it is also resistant to the venom), but when the mongoose is caught in the wild by dogs it becomes lunch. Similarly, how much the Daniel tribe lied and preened. Oh, such was the holiness of ND, JD, JJD, LD that sin cannot just be covered up. At their messages Grown men cried and so on and on. Now we know that John Branch has been doing the same sins under the very noses of the exalted Daniel tribe for a good many years. He has been also preaching both in US and India, (exactly crying for America for its falling moral standard, while he himself had none) I am happy that he fooled the Daniels who always acted as demi gods, hope at least now the deluded Indian LEF congregation will accept that these Daniels are also made of the same mud as them but are even more stupid and gullible.
ReplyDeleteTen years I a long time to judge a person’s character, if the Daniel tribe could not detect such a fraud, it means that they were also blind, but I am afraid that thy knew but decided to keep quiet. How many more woman were raped by the hirelings of the Daniels only God will know. It is highly possible that IC, Branchy, and others knew about each other and encouraged each other in doing evil. For the Daniel bootlickers who will jump up and down at my suggestion, I have one word of caution, hope you are sure it was not your wife / sister / daughter / mother who was sexually abused. Please make sure. For such Branchy behavior will always repeat itself.
ReplyDeleteJD and LD trusted IC who was a key member of their inner circle .He started getting close to JD in the mid 90s and became his closest indian confidante by 2000.I have heard that Branchy is a key signatory in LEF America (A Member of LEF Board in America).Someone said that Branchy is a smart politician .
DeleteBranchy not everything is lost, you are the Board member of LEF, USA, you will definitely know about the ways in which JD and JJD stolen money, now that your honor is gone at least save some money, so call up JJD and demand US $10 million to keep quiet. Or threaten JJD that you will write in the Whistle Blowers what all you saw the Daniels do. Tell him that you will drive him out of US if he doesn’t pay, ask him whether he will pay only Indian authorities and politicians. JJD is a coward and a moral coward also, His mum will advise him to pay you. I Do Agree that Money can solve many problems, just give a US army war cry (you told all of us that you were in the US Army (real or imaginary) I don’t know for sure). Go for it.Get it, Got it
DeleteI have a good idea, Branch please change your name to Baba Branchomayaananda (Branch + Maya (Illusion) + Ananada (Joy/ Happiness)), Change your hairstyle to long, get a long beard, dye the hair black. Wear a long flowing robe (made of saffron color / purple), Mutter some Sanskrit words like Shanti (peace), pani (water) roti (bread), salt (namak) etc. You will be called as Baba the great, Money and Women will fall at your feet. You can have a nice time. Nearly all Baba’s in India (male / female) live like this only, Then you can branch to other businesses like Housing Construction, Land Purchasing etc. Being a Christian all 24 hours is so very hard, do try this for a few years.
DeleteDid such behavior start from the Daniel Tribe for all their closest associates are having this behavior?I am happy that we Whistleblowers have unmasked a fraud who will have continued in his primary business for 20 more years endangering another 1000 women as “brother”.
ReplyDeleteCallu baby has a fortunate and blessed life. His brother who was slated to take up LEF responsibilities doesn’t want to do so (Why should he when he enjoys all the perks, like a free car, a free house, and all expenses paid lifestyle, with a few foreign trips thrown in each year). For a person who did not finish high school in India (high school dropout), life was pretty generous, the LEF Daniel tag gave a wife who is highly qualified (Nowhere else in the world, no girl would have been married such a lumpy guy). Now even though he doesn’t attend the LEF meetings he continues to stay in a rent free accommodation in a large bungalow (while trainees in LEF Beulah Gardens need to stay in one room huts (and be happy). OK it is all Gods will, fine. Now Callu baby has only one rule, when in Madras, bow and bark before the great JJD, LD, and JJD children. Mom will do the same before LD, and all freedom will be given in Bangalore to rip off the ministry. In fact, the Bangalore ministry is a great story. All people who get a job from neighboring stats migrate to Bangalore and true to the LEF values come to the LEF center. Not even 5 souls were touched by the great ministry by FD and SD, FD had a great talent of driving way the boys and girls who came to the centre. Believe it or not there is still no Kannada service, only Tamil and Telugu (this is due to the in migration) The Offering money is large as all are working professionals with Double incomes. The money is happily used to satisfy all the desires and wants of 4 families. This has gone to the state that a portion of the House built with LEF money (sacrificial tithes and offerings) is brazenly given out for rent and the money is pocketed happily. Will the great JJD allow this in any other center. Regularly money is given to Callu baby who is told of as a great sacrificial Christian worker in Bangalore, in fact I came to know that though the LEF has given mom a Car, some poor guy must meet Sir in the railway station, meet him and drop him at his house (The great man cannot take an auto rickshaw or a bus). The reverse is true when Sir is returning. All Christmas / New year / Sunday School programs, mum will manage to book permanently (but brother won’t come to hear). It is all a sham and a fraud. The great Callu baby has a miraculous rise as Evangelist Headquarters, while people double to triple his age are still trainees. The LEF will not allow trainees to visit or preach in their native places (To prevent them from becoming well known) but for Callu baby no such rules apply.
ReplyDeleteHi AnonymousNovember 18, 2015 1:45 AM
DeleteI disagree with your statement that Callu has not finished his High School.He studied at Hebrons and graduated from Karunya Coimbatore.
You cannot expect a prince to live a spartan life.Calu is the eyes and ears of JJD now.His mom would know well that after LD is dead and gone she and her children would be treated with the same level of contempt shown on WP & KP.
DeleteAnonymousNovember 18, 2015 5:02 AM
DeleteI guess AnonymousNovember 18, 2015 1:45 AM is talking about Cal's older brother.
Just like anyone else, Betty may have had a reason/s to unfriend some; should it become a news? Anyone does it any time. Again, the topic moved from JB to Cal and B'lore! You know why? Each volcano erupts and spews out only what is inside it, nothing else!
DeleteAnonymous Nov. 18 5.02 am
DeleteI read that part of the post with which you disagree as referring to Marcus Daniel, not Caleb Daniel?
I thought that Hebron school was meant for missionaries' children, not for the children of India nationals living in their native land?
The Daniel tribe is a missionary family, with 2 missions in life. 1. to steal maximum money, 2, to spend maximum money, so they get automatically qualified, to join the schools, and go in a big Benz to school (while other evangelists kids can walk, hop and skip to school). All things can be arranged in India (I do know Indian nationals children who studied there)
DeleteOK in the volume of prose about Callu baby thankfully good preacher is not included. It is true, imagine attending my IIT cram courses, Callu will start with along introductory prayer, where he will be scolding some unknown un identified people, then he will start talking fast in a high pitched voice like this “Two multiplied by two added to four is equal to eight minus four will be equal to four” without any pauses. He will select a bible passage and add his own masala (curry / ingredients) and just wander and talk anything. At the end he will again pull on and somehow finish. There will be a very long prayer which will be another message, with scolding’s for more people. Finally, the great Callu baby will announce now let us receive the benediction, He still believes that his benediction is so special. The audience will listen in stunned silence, At the end, one or two girls will run to the preacher and say, “Uncle your message is the correct one for me”, They don’t mean it, in fact they done even know the meaning of the words they speak, but boy preacher will be beaming. When I was on tour I asked the audience whether anyone understood one word, all said No, many told me, “Madam, wants to bring her useless son, here, if he comes we all will leave”. A few said “ I don’t want to come, but come because of my family obligations”. A few said. “OK you have marked attendance, given the money, now shut up”. To expect that such a zoo tiger (Callu baby) to stand up for righteousness and honesty with no trace of hypocrisy is too much that too from a from a blue blooded Daniel.
ReplyDeleteAre we discussing Branchy who ditched the tree (Family) and grafted with his girlfriend or Callu.Please focus on the topic mentioned in the Blog Post Header.
DeleteAnonymous Nov. 18 5.04am
DeleteIt is quite difficult for people to keep focused on one topic, because each topic seems to provoke yet another revelation about the evils associated with LEF - there seem to be so many. If these matters were being exposed in a meeting, probably the commotion would be too great for anyone to hear anything, so it is good that people are having to put info. and comments into print - at least it gives everyone a chance to absorb the posts before replying, and there will be a record kept.
When you think of the length of time it has taken for these matters finally to emerge into the light, and the lengths the Daniels have gone to to suppress freedom of opinion and speech, and to conceal them, it isn't surprising that people are so angry that these blogs become a little bit chaotic-seeming at times.
Still it doesn't do us any harm to be reminded to keep discussions in some kind of order!
Thanks, Whistleblowers, for all your hard work in exposing the bullying and fakery that goes on in LEF. Many must have known about it, but you had the courage and strength of purpose to bring the rot out into open. Let's hope that many will be helped long-term.
These posts were written to further explain the fact that Callu baby knows that Whistle Blowers are correct but will still inform others not to read the site. A few good people had asked Callu baby to stand up for truth, I wrote elaborately why he won’t. Moreover, the Daniel Tribe is a multi headed multi armed monster, each will support the other with the main purpose being to steal money. No one will stand up for the truth.Ok I do agree that these posts should be tagged above this topic
DeleteNovember 18, 2015 1:46 AM Whatever you have said about Callu baby can be said about his late father too.I have heard him preach many times and felt the man lacked substance.FD was not given the privilege of preaching even in student retreats whereas people like Dr.Jayasingh ,FD's father in law,Bro.Jubileeraj and Bro.Moses would be given the pulpit.Although FD was extremely good in music JD disliked him and treated him with contempt.
ReplyDeleteDear LD,Junior LD and Junior JD I have to use the following verse from Pauls Letter to Romans.
ReplyDeleteRomans 2:24 For "THE NAME OF GOD IS BLASPHEMED AMONG THE GENTILES BECAUSE OF YOU.
Shame on you folks.
Anonymous Nov. 18 9.14am
DeleteSadly, this is true. Also, young people are not only, and quite rightly, being alienated from the LEF by the antics of the Daniels and their associates, but some are being turned away from the saving power of the true Gospel.
Young people, by all means distance yourselves from LEF, as you must if you have intelligence and integrity, and a desire for true godliness, but do not turn away from Jesus Christ.
hi whistleblowers, how to take print out of all these blogs?
ReplyDeleteAm not a whistleblower, but if you have a laptop, can you manually copy and paste? Then print out as normal....
DeleteYou can use this method. Install Firefox (Mozilla) and primopdf, Use File print command and print out as pdf, Save to your PC and take multiple copies and distribute far and near. preferably translate into vernacular (local language) and distribute, both as prints and pdf
DeleteThere is also relationship going between LLD and JB which LD is aware of.
ReplyDeleteSo you mean Branchy is two-timing his American Babe and LLD.This is bad.
DeleteDear friends, it is rather sad that we have come to a stage wherein we are talking about marriage, the greatest institution of a society being ridiculed and put to shame not by any random people but by those who stand up as messengers of God. These comments suggesting that LLD is also in an illicit relationship with John Branch and LD being aware of it just shows that if we dig deeper and deeper into the dung pile, we will only bring out more and more dung. At some point, we need to STOP and ask how much more dung do we want to be strewn around?
DeleteHere is the bottom line- "A rooster that left its own nest can end up in any other nest." Did this wild rooster JB find a nest in Daniel household? There is a very high possibility that JB would have had something going on with LLD also as the trap that Daniels set up for JB is not an easy one to resist. It is up to anybody's imagination and guessing...However to maintain our own sanity and clarity of thought, it is better to stop digging any deeper into dung pile.
I should like to make a suggestion: perhaps it would be better if those who post use the full names of the people whose negative actions they may need to expose. The object of this blog is to alert people who are being abused by the Laymen's Evangelical Fellowship, and by those who have made themselves into its leaders. It is hoped that when they realise the truth, LEF supporters will withdraw from it, stop supporting it and find a more God-honouring christian fellowship to worship with.
ReplyDeleteThis blog, and the 'Understanding the Truth (Suniemi)' blog, need maximum exposure, and they are getting it, at least via the internet. However we have got used to using nick-names and acronyms (people's nick-name initials) to identify the main wrong-doers - hence LD refers to Lily Daniel, JJD to John Daniel, JD to Joshua Daniel, LLD to Lydia Daniel, and now JB to John Branch. References to Betty Daniel tend to be simply mocking, hence 'Lizard' (which might be a shade too disrespectful, in fact).
The point is, if people are new to the blog, we want them to know exactly whose actions are being exposed. They may not immediately recognise the acronyms, whereas spotting the full names of LEF people they know very well will capture their attention, and hopefully their interest.
It takes a little longer to write names rather than initials, but it will also help us to make sure that we are giving information that can actually be substantiated, rather than just giving in to the temptation to 'scandalise' (all too easily done when one is justifiably indignant!).
Since you mention Betty Daniel - it seems that Betty has now brought about another 'miracle'. She has 'healed' her refrigerator! The technician was suitably amazed and impressed (of course.....).
DeletePity Betty has not yet acquired sufficient supernatural power to 'heal' her equally deluded family of pride, arrogance, greed, lust for power, deceitful behaviour etc. etc..
Work on it, Betty!
Dear Whistleblowers and readers,I request you to avoid writing about the character of individuals.That becomes character assasination.We are witnessing many things on the which are wrong and it would not be right to speak about everything in finer detail as it leads to dirty gossip.We have a life to life and goals to achieve .We are not fortunate as the Daniels to sit on a pile of wealth .
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 19 Nov. 6.27pm
DeletePlease would you explain what you mean.
Gossip for the sake of gossip is certainly not helpful. However almost all those who have been written about here have made themselves into 'icons of holiness', and 'spiritual authorities', whereas what is being revealed about them demonstrates that they are very far from that. They have been fooling gullible people for decades, effectively holding them to ransom with empty threats about God's wrath if they question their actions or behaviour. The ransom has been quite literal, since they have been living off those people's tithes and offerings, whilst exerting unwarranted power over them to make sure that the money keeps coming in. Their characters have become corrupt, and their characters dictate their actions. Victims should be made fully aware, with evidence, of the true nature of their characters. That is not 'character assassination'.
'Character assassination' is when a person is wrongly and unfairly condemned. What comments about the characters of these individuals do you think were undeserved, and why?
Are you, perhaps, upset by the comment about Betty Daniel? Betty is showing signs of becoming almost as much of a spiritual danger to gullible folk as her parents and brother. She, too, has set herself up as some kind of 'spiritual authority'. She parades her theological ignorance on Facebook and on Telegu TV. She shamelessly trades on her father's name to try to enhance her own reputation (!), even when being recorded ostensibly visiting a child in India sponsored by her husband's church. She exhibits numerous photos and videos of herself 'ministering' to the sick and poor. If she calculatedly publicises herself like this, then she needs to be beyond reproach in order to avoid reproach. After a lifetime of worldly pursuits, even condemned from the platform by her father, she has more recently been setting herself up, it seems, in spiritual opposition to her reprehensible mother, brother, and sister. However her so-called 'ministry' is just as full of holes as theirs, and the posts that she recently put on the 'Understand the Truth (Suniemi)' blog were far from what could be expected from one claiming spiritual authority. She wrote, 'He hates my guts', directed at USA resident Gary Fleenor, who was giving an account of how Joshua Daniel physically ejected him from a meeting (without his Bible!) when Gary dared to challenge him. Betty claimed, openly on the blog, that Mr. Fleenor wanted to marry her, and still does, but she refused him - a suggestion denied by the now middle-aged Mr. Fleenor - which is why, she claimed, Mr. Fleenor had mentioned her, in passing, in his comment. What childish, undignified, revengeful arrogance! Is this appropriate behaviour from a middle-aged woman who claims what is apostolic authority to bring about 'miracles' here, there, and everywhere?
People, especially disillusioned LEF followers, should beware of falling out of the LEF frying pan into the 'Betty Daniel ministry' fire.
It is known that Betty would like 'her share' of what she regards as her LEF inheritance, and would go to some lengths to acquire it. It is not outside the bounds of possibility that those who have been financing the Daniel lifestyle could instead, in the future, be purchasing Betty's next refrigerator!
Every Scandal will one day be exposed.It doesn't matter how big one is in the LEF.The mighty and powerful IC and the poster boy John Branch were exposed.So pray and guard your heart with all diligence.Flee from the lust of the world.Fear God.Our journey in this earth is a temporary phase ,a limited time where we live preparing ourselves for eternity.So let us suffer to live a life pleasing christ so that one day we will go to live with him for ever in heaven.May God bless you all.Amen.
ReplyDeletePeople now a days exposing the scandals that are taking place in LEF. The preachers, pastors and so called godly men are paying the price for their robbery. The followers of LEF who never read their bible to search whether the preacher is speaking from the scriptures or not. simply coming to the conclusions that everything coming from LEF pulpits is the WORD of GOD.People are worshipping preachers and these preachers are simply robbing GOD's Glory(I am the LORD; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols (Isaiah 42:8) He is a Jealous GOD. Jesus Christ is the Head of the church not Daniel's family. The present LEF church is simply teaching we will get saved by following some steps and no wonder every persons testimony is same Just their names will change. it is the same Roman catholic way of offering salvation, the only difference is they worship idols and here people are unknowingly worshipping preachers.soon i will present the article comparing LEF teaching with the bible about salvation.
ReplyDeleteWe look forward to your article, Anonymous November 19, 2015 10:01 PM. Please do all you can and save the innocent young people from these LEF rogues. John Daniel is telling the people of Guyana on his November 19 the sermon (watch the archive at around 1:25 time mark) that Noah sat at Jesus' feet. Really John Daniel? You found from the book of Genesis in the Bible that you were referring to that Noah was sitting at Jesus' feet? John Daniel, this is for FYI. Your abhorring facial expressions when you give your "sermon" makes it more than obvious that most of what you say about your "glorious personal experiences" and those of your family are some kind of concocted hallucinations. You are a carefully crafted "LIE" that your parents have created to reign the ignorant and gullible LEF people. If you gave this kind of "sermon" with the kind of facial expressions you have on your face in any setting other than LEF stage, you would have had a garland of chappals (like we say in India) waiting to adorn you at the end of the sermon. One thing you said in the sermon is true. Though you arrogantly made a joke that people send their "dumbest" child to God's work, you presented your own self as living proof of such a phenomenon. Think about how many preachers who know just a little bit of Bible history would have said what you actually said - NOAH SAT AT JESUS' FEET. WOW - just mind boggling theological expertise coupled with unparalleled spirituality...
DeleteThe Link for the Video is http://lefi.org/2015GuyanaArchive.html
DeleteJohn Beta first learn the books of the bible.Know the difference between Old Testament and New Testament.You are a Poor Joke.
John pronounces the word God as Goad (like load,toad) .Is this intentional .He is trying his best to imitate his dad
DeleteAs long as you know that what he is pronouncing as ‘Goad’ as ‘God,’ should it become a big issue?
DeleteAfter a long time, the other writer who calls ‘John Beta’ appeared on the scene. He was the one who lured many that he had had a lot of stuff with evidences and that he would print out and send to every evangelist on list! And that the book was going to be on sale at one of the past retreats in Chennai! Nothing happened.
hey AnonymousNovember 21, 2015 8:57 AM you seem to be John's friend.Why are you Chennai.Go to Guyana and help your master
DeleteAnonymous Nov. 21 @ 8.57am
DeleteNo, the fact that 'Joan' Daniel still cannot pronounce 'God' would not be an issue if he were a three-year-old Indian child in kindergarten newly embarking on the study of the English language.
However doesn't it strike you as bizarre that a fifty-three-year-old Indian man whose only known language is American English, and who sets himself up in authority over thousands of fellow Indians (and a few deluded foreigners), still cannot (or will not) pronounce the English title, 'God', correctly?
Not surprising that he thinks that Noah sat at the feet of Jesus. Trouble is, some impressionable folk may imitate him, and Beulah Gardens will resound with people crying out to 'Goad' in the style of 'Joan'.......a bit puzzling for any visitors, wouldn't you say? Amost as puzzling as 'Joan's' theology..........
Betty has shared in her facebook wall that God healed her refrigerator.I am posting the exact contents and also the link so that people can check.
ReplyDeleteAnother miracle to report. My refrigerator was not working properly light on panel said call service. Strange noise would not shut off. I don't want to replace it as it was too expensive. Plus it fits perfectly in my kitchen as an inbuilt appliance. So I called Bob Millers appliance. My tech comes out. He said order 2 parts. So I did. Tired of buying parts. 2nd time already in 6 years. Expensive motor part. Parts came in the mail.
So I thought. God you can heal a man from heart attack and stroke. So it is nothing for you to heal this refrigerator. So I put my hand on the door and prayed for the refrigerator. In Jesus name. Amen.
Next day I noticed no strange noises. Service light off. I called Bob Millers. Same tech came out. He said there is nothing wrong with your refrigerator. You can send parts back. I told him the story that God healed the refrigerator. He said he has worked on appliances for 22 years. Never saw anything like this.
Praise God. He can do miracles. For even small things in our lives. God is teaching me faith. To trust him in and expect a miracle in every detail of life.
Please report miracles. I love to hear about them. God is so powerful. If we only knew.
https://www.facebook.com/liz.vancamp.9/posts/10206304873194348?pnref=story
Question:
Is Betty crazy or is she drunk.If she comes to Chennai she must go to Kilpauk.
Anonymous 21 December 2.46am
DeleteWell, allegedly Betty Daniel is not entirely averse to alcohol, and mental health problems seem to run on the maternal side of her family.......
On the other hand she may just be drunk and hallucinated with a sense of her own spiritual importance. It happens a lot in the USA...........
Unfortunately you are getting some of the worst of America when it comes to (and from) Paula White (whom Betty D posts on her wall). Over 30 years ago this Rhema Word of faith nonsense invaded many charismatic fellowships. I was a witness. It brought division amongst Christians and I know this from experience.There is a church I attended that broke up because of this and another Church drew members from the "super spiritual" that accepted these doctrines. This church- i later called the "DIVORCE CHURCH" due to all the splits the "holy spirit" caused among the believers including a couple near and dear to me-caused no end of confusion among the local believers. Even the "pastor and his pastor wife" later divorced and the church property sold. Good riddance but I am sorry for the folks that fell for this and do not wish to rejoice in this nor make fun of them. After all, I, for a short time believed that nonsense too. They still need to be rebuked....Terry Huffman U.S.A.
DeleteThanks, Terry Huffman. Betty Daniel also admires William Branham, another heretical person.
DeleteIt seems the Betty Daniels of this world have little interest in 'rightly dividing the Word', but only in what is sensational, grabs the gullible crowds, and in their eyes gives them spiritual importance.
As you say, people can fall for the dangerous nonsense propagated by the Paula Whites of the televangelist scene. However, as you also say, you fell for it only 'for a short time'. Anyone who truly loves and searches the Word of God cannot be fooled for very long, unless they love something or someone else more.
Meanwhile if Betty can continue to 'heal' refrigerators without the need of technical expertise, we shall expect her to become a millionairess very shortly. Maybe that will be her answer to having lost her 'cut' of the Daniel millions (that is to say, the tithes and offerings of the poor Indians who produced them) due to multiple marriages and the hostility of John Daniel, Lily Daniel, and Lydia Daniel.
John Daniel seems to be very confused about the Biblical doctrine of the Trinity. There are three Persons in the Trinity, the Father (whom English speakers usually refer to as 'God' - not GOAD, as JOAN Daniel persists in calling Him), the Son (Jesus Christ, who, though eternal, came to this world in person in about AD4), and the Holy Spirit (whose presence can be seen throughout Scripture, beginning with Genesis 1:2).
ReplyDeleteNoah did not 'sit at the feet of Jesus'. The disciples 'sat at the feet of Jesus' because Jesus was physically present on earth at that time. Noah 'walked with God', in the same way that Enoch 'walked with God', and Adam 'walked with God' in the garden of Eden. 'Walking with God' implied obedience, and the special companionship that results from being likeminded.
The disciples, in preparation for the promised redemption from sin to be accomplished on the cross in their lifetimes, and the birth of the New Testament church, were privileged to have Jesus Himself explain to them much that Noah would never have understood. He made clear to them what was the relationship between the Old Testament prophecies and Himself. They did, indeed, 'sit at the feet of Jesus', and as a result their understanding about the things of God was opened up and clarified. As New Testament believers we too can metaphorically 'sit at the feet of Jesus', in the sense that the disciples have passed on in the New Testament writings what Jesus taught them. However 'walking with God' in the Old Testament, and 'sitting at the feet of Jesus' in the New Testament are not the same thing.
It seems as if JOAN Daniel wanted to link in what he was going to say with the recorded song that he had chosen for 'The Daniel Five' (except there were only four...). In doing so he performed major surgery on the doctrine of the Trinity (and God's Word certainly does not need to be operated upon by JOAN Daniel).
This is a man who has never sought or submitted himself to sound theological instruction, and it shows. With how many other nonsensical statements from the platform has he misled the Biblical understanding of thousands of listeners?
Good that JOAN did not mix up Noah and Jonah.He didn't say that Noah was fishing in the Great Rain and Flood or that Jonah used an Ark to go to Tarshish. JOAN must read his bible well and understand the bible before he thunders from the pulpit.
ReplyDeleteIn fact, John was technically correct when he said, ".Noah.....at the feet of Jesus" (according to John 14:11) though not literally.
ReplyDeleteWas just wondering why we did not see any comments from die-hard Daniel family loyalists to stand behind some random Bible verse to justify John Daniel's stupidity. Here goes Anonymous November 22, 2015 5:57 AM talking about technicalities!!! Looks like Anonymous November 22, 2015 5:57 AM had to do some extensive research before quoting this verse to justify John Daniel's ignorance. Let us make a broad rule - whatever John Daniel and clan say is always CORRECT- technically literally, figuratively, prophetically and whatever else. John Daniel can say that "Sun rises in the west" or "Earth is flat." No more arguments on this. John Daniel said it and it has to be correct. Because technically John Daniel is referring to the west which is nothing but the other East and also to the other earth in a different solar system just like he was referring to other Jesus at whose feet Noah sat. Anonymous November 22, 2015 5:57 AM, go and throw a party for Biblically establishing that John Daniel is TECHNICALLY correct about everything he said in the past and is now saying and will say in the future.
DeleteAnonymous Nov. 22 5.57am
DeleteWhat John/Joan Daniel stated was in no way correct. I think Anonymous 21 Nov. 4.24am explained why in detail. Although they are one in essence, each person of the Trinity has an individual function and personality. John/Joan confused God the Father with Jesus Christ the Son. He wrenched the Person of Jesus Christ out of His Biblical context in order to suit the recorded song he had selected with which to showcase his daughters (yet again!).
It might be more helpful to John/Joan if, instead of encouraging him in his errors, you persuaded him to seek some sound theological training - except, of course, LEF 'innocents' would have to pay for it......
John Daniel needs to be very careful when preaching certain crucial doctrines in the Bible. Noah sat at the feet of JESUS, what a joke he is preaching, His mindless followers are supporting his views. Preachers must be carefully examine and present their sermons because one verse cannot contradict another. John Daniel seems to be very shallow in his understanding because it directly contradict the verse in luke;s Gospel. Luk 10:23 And he turned him unto his disciples, and said privately, Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see:
DeleteLuk 10:24 For I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them. When Jesus mentioned prophets and Kings, He include Abraham, Noah, Enoch Moses David and so on, As gospel was first announced to our first parents(Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.). The prophets know these things. A better covenant is coming. Please read Hebrews Chapter 11. They saw the Glory of GOD, Which is Christ Glory.How on earth preachers like John Daniel come to such foolish assumptions. thousands are being deceived in fellowship. There are fools in the fellowship once said to me when i asked him, Brother what preparation will you make before preaching to the crowds. He told me we pray brother GOD will automatically give us words to speak? How ignorant you are What commandment did Apostle paul gives to Timothy(Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needed not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.) so that it will save you and to those to whom you preach. Awake Fellowship followers, You are called to follow No man, You are called to follow GOD-MAN Jesus Christ.
John Daniel honoured his friend on his dads memorial service by giving him the pulpit and made him preach but pushed his uncle Dr.Whistson Paul to a corner.It was sad to see Rev.Whitson Paul seated as a commoner in the meeting in a remote fringe of the great Beulah Garden prayer hall in Madras.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous Nov. 22 8.02pm
ReplyDeleteWhat do you mean by commoner'? I am sure you did not intend this, but by using an expression 'like a commoner' you are implying that there is something special, even 'royal' about people who appear on LEF platforms.
This is a problem with LEF-indoctrinated people. There is so much talk about 'humbling oneself', but absolutely no spirit of humility in anyone, least of all in those who have set themselves up as 'leaders'. The 'commoners' (as you call them) encourage this arrogance by giving credence to the silly hierarchy promoted by the Daniel family. It would have been in a way appropriate if Whitsun Paul had spoken, simply because of the family connection, and the fact that he has had (rightly or wrongly) quite a lot of responsibilities in LEF. However does it really matter, considering all that is being revealed about Joshua Daniel, his family, and his henchmen? What right-minded person would want to share a platform with such people? It is surprising that Whitsun Paul even attended the service, if he has any integrity. Maybe he sat at the back because it was the next best thing to boycotting the whole sad circus, given that he might have felt obliged to represent his wife.
As for Beulah Gardens, what an ostentatious waste of often poor people's money that was! Joshua Daniel was no different from the popes of Rome, intimidating his gullible followers into providing the cash not only for him to live in comparative luxury with his family (who are still doing so - is John Daniel employed? Does Lily Daniel have a pension? Did her husband ever work to provide for her? Is Birgit Daniel employed now her daughters are grown? Do any of John Daniel's daughters work to help pay their way like many American students?), but also to build often fancy 'prayer halls' purely to enable him to dictate from bigger and bigger platforms to more and more people. The pope of Rome and his cardinals have the Vatican City, with St. Peter's as its centre. Joshua Daniel and his 'cardinals' have Beulah Gardens. Who will buy that monstrosity when LEF finally goes out of business? And if anyone does, who will get the proceeds?
• The only reason for all these issues is MONEY. LEF is fully loaded with wealth and the saddest thing is that it is all going to be doomed soon.
ReplyDelete• In the early days LEF and followers of LEF were really faithful to God.
• Now, I do not see that character anywhere. Of course, there are still true believers in every places.
• The reason for LEF to be in this kind of mess is a family issue and the curse that LD family brought to ND family.
• Most of the followers will agree this. I am sure LD's own sisters will endorse my statement.
• I can give you two best examples to prove my statement. LD's father was not a good godly man and an another example is the way LD brought their children.
• Even a poor mother will know how to bring up their children to God no matter how and where they live and what they have.
• I am not stating anything new here, LD has ruined families, LEF and future LEF. It was all LD's mistake to sworn JJD to this LEF.
• When JJD lost his job, he went and told to LD about his job situation. It was LD who brought him in to LEF.
• LD’s biased life among her own children certifies that how bad that woman is.
• LD was very careful that she did not allow anyone near to her own husband until she fulfills her plans.
• LD was clever to erase IC’s bad act. I am still wondering why God did allow everything (all of sudden) to come to light in the last days of JD? LD’s stubborn character has created this situation among the people, evangelists, her own children and etc. How many young boys and girls scarified their life by marrying inside LEF group.
• Why is LD not picking any Bible college student for her last daughter? Are the boys in bible collage not willing and rejected?
• How come last 8 years no boy is identified for that girl. How come LEF is allowing the one on the stage who had a live in relationship in the USA?
• Can either of LD and JJD answer to this question in the upcoming Christ is Victor? 10 years back, LD preached that she left her doctor job just to stay at home to take her of children.
• Now, I say that she should have continued with that profession and earned some money serving as Dr.
• A decade ago, one of the day in Ohio retreat, JJD was corrected his dad. JJD was making mistakes repeatedly from the pulpit and his dad was correcting him sitting next to the stage.
• JJD has to go through bible college course at least the one conducted by LEF
• JJD should listen to others and understand his mistakes and try to correct it
• JJD should make a strong commitment with God
• JJD should clearly specify his stand on JB and JLD’s case? JJD can’t remove his sister JLD because JLD is supported by LD.
• I have seen with my own eyes, one of the retreat in last 5 or 6 years, during the Lord’s table JJD was serving the bread and the wine to all in the stage, when it was served to his dad by him, his dad pointed out to Betty and asked JJD to give her too. JD has great compassion towards Betty. But Betty has destroyed it again and again and JJD has utilized every opportunity to show case him as good before others. (LEF guys, you can refer the videos taken in the retreat. Who knows whether it is erased or edited).
ReplyDelete• Please don’t have the feel that I am supporting Betty. She being the 1st born should have been really careful and uplifted the entire family from the day one when she noticed family issues. But where in the world she had time while she was searching for 1,2,3.. hope you understand.
• The biggest mistake done by JD is that migrating the family to a foreign land.
• The other biggest mistake done by JD and LD is that they have not taught their children respect, fear of god, culture and mother tongue (tamil or telugu)
• The other selfish thing done by JD family is – LUXURY life. While he prefers to go in Merc.. he expected his followers to life in hut and eat snakes and frogs
• My one and only question to LD, if she has guts let her answer from any of the LEF pulpit and even let her write in CiV. How did her husband own a Merc.. SUV? Who paid for it? LD was proudly saying that her husband never had a pay cheque. And even if she says, some XYZ is offered Jo for his travel in the ministry, I want to know then why the HELL you are not allowing other evangelist to ride at least in other cars lined up in HQ.
• I heard that many orphans (single parented) children are homeless in Mumbai, at least LD and JJD can sell of these cars and help these innocent children in Mumbai. These children are attending LEF preaching.
• I encourage all the so called missionaries/evangelists/preachers/LEF supporters/Teachers in LEF/Book Sellers/LEF Promoters - do not have mixed feeling. Think only God can lead you and focus only God and move out from this family business. Do not make your children to upset with you. I wish our Lord should speak to you today to all these innocents
• I wish all the shops/tuck shops are stopped/closed from LEF retreat in BG. This is where huge lump sum money is swindled without an account. Don’t you ever think that the people who are working in this shops are not listing to the retreat messages.
• If people want snacks/food let them bring from their house and eat it
• People who stay inside need snacks let them also bring
• The objective is, people are coming for only for the Word of God. Now, the culture is changed and everyone can see it
• Or give free snacks as you get very good offering already
• Last but not least, This is to all, don’t believe blindly if a person’s skin is white