We are getting emails that are expressing concerns about some dubious pastors who are being paraded on LEF stages. There were several comments on the blog about the prominent "preachers" that this Daniel family imports to LEF pulpits. Arthur Hill and John Branch.
The most pressing concern is about John Branch who seems to have resigned (or sacked) as a pastor from a church called "THE CROSS" based in Rochester, Indiana.
There were some allegations made earlier on the blog with John Branch's inappropriate relationship with one of the JD girls and also about John Branch's wife picking a fight about this.
Is this allegation true? Is this also the reason for John Branch's resigning/being sacked from the THE CROSS? The Daniel family has much to answer about their own moral failings and the moral failings of those whom it parades on LEF stages to feed trash to thousands of people who spend their money and time to attend those circus gatherings that they call "RETREATS."
Didn't JD use this John Branch for youth retreats as well as a main speaker for the May retreat? Rather worrying.......
ReplyDeletePeople of all professions including Pastors have the right to quit an organization and move on to greener havens.How is this news benefiting anyone reading this blog.Please don't suggest information which is not verified.Slandering a living person is worse than killing him.
ReplyDeleteLet us hope for goodness sake that John Branch moved on to greener pastures and is the pastor of a bigger church in US and will come back with more might to feed the lost sheep in LEF. That way thousands gullible LEF folks do not have to be taken for even a longer ride by this Daniel family. Time answers a lot of questions. We just have to be patient and watchful instead of wishing away and live in a la la land when the robber is stealing us and our children.
DeleteAnonymous Nov. 12, 10.34pm
DeletePastors who 'move on to greener havens' do not usually prevent those who have known them from contacting them by failing to leave any kind of contact information. Given the prominence that JD has given to John Branch for so many years, and the influence he has had over LEF (both young and old), does it not seem strange to you that he is not contactable? Wouldn't a preacher who has 'moved on' normally still want to be available in some way to those he had sought to nurture over the years?
The word you require is 'libel' and not 'slander'. 'Libel' is the publicised writing of defaming information which is proven to be untrue. All the facts indicate that what the Whistleblowers are writing is true.
Why not try to establish some facts yourself instead of accusing others? Ask the Daniels what has happened to their favourite guest preacher (not that they will be truthful about it). Why do you think that John Branch's wife would put a notice on her Facebook page saying 'RELATIONSHIP OVER'?
When a man dictates in public to others about Christian ethics I am afraid his own life can no longer be private.
Perhaps in the future John Branch himself will be moved to be honest about any failings to those who have paid attention to him over the years. In the meantime LEF people need to be made aware, as no doubt the members of his previous church were.
Whilst John Branch was 'preaching' to all you LEF people at the last May retreat, poor Mrs. Branch was having to cope with the reality of her husband's long-term extra-marital relationship.
DeleteWhen she approached Lily Daniel and co., they let it be known to her that they blamed her for his behaviour, and were planning to cover up the fact that John Branch was forced to resign from his church by telling people that he would not be coming to the retreat(s) because of visa problems.
So, loyal LEF followers, you have been listening enthralled to the self-important ramblings of an adulterer, and will soon be listening to the calculated lies of Lily Daniel and family (unless, when they read this, they adopt another strategy).
Adulterers and liars. Are these the kind of people real Christians should be admiring and taking instruction from?
As a previous poster has said, 'COME YE OUT FROM AMONG THEM AND BE YE SEPARATE. TOUCH NOT THE UNCLEAN THING'.
Matthew 7:1-3
ReplyDelete1.“Do not judge so that you will not be judged.
2 For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and [a]by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.
3 Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?
You may choose who take this message or ignore it.Negativity doesn't help anyone.Please stop attacking individuals.
ReplyDeleteRomans 14:19 .So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding.
Ephesians 4:29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.
Anonymous Nov. 12 @ 10.4pm, 11.36pm
DeleteYour posts reek of Daniel influence. People who wish to hide evil often quote these verses in order to prevent the evil being exposed.
It is ridiculous to suggest that evil may not be exposed unless those who expose it are themselves perfect. Where people have direct influence over flocks of believers it is right to expose them. If you read your Bible you will see that in both Old and New Testaments folk who set themselves up as leaders and fell into sin were invariably exposed.
The Daniels are very practised in taking verses out of context and browbeating their followers with them. You have clearly adopted this habit.
According to your advice, LEF followers should meekly listen to anyone who is put on their platform by the Daniels, including to the Daniels themselves, and even subject their vulnerable young people to the teachings of those whose own lives are a poor witness.
Instead of condemning those who are trying to rescue you from subjugation to, and the hypocritical teachings of, hirelings, why do you not investigate these matters yourself? Are you unwilling to face up to what you may discover? Are you afraid that the house built on sand that you have naively lived in for decades will finally crumble under you? Do you want your children to depend on the same crumbling, rotten edifice after you have gone?
You quote verses about 'peace'. Please be reminded that the Bible speaks very severely about those who cry 'peace' when there is no peace.
Commenter and Whistleblower ,I have been hurt and my family suffered a lot in LEF.I was excited to see these blogposts .We are not fighting LEF.We are fighting Devil who is wrecking havoc through the First family .
DeleteEphesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
The Eagle does not fight the snake on the ground. It picks it up into the sky and changes the battle ground, and then it releases the snake into the sky.
DeleteThe snake has no stamina, no power and no balance in the air. It is useless, weak and vulnerable unlike on the ground where it is powerful wise and deadly.
Take your fight into the spiritual realm by being rooted, involving God in every area and when you are in the spiritual realm God takes over your battles.
Don't fight the enemy in his comfort zone, change the battle grounds like the Eagle and let God take charge through your earnest prayer.The reason why many fail in battle is because they wait until the hour of battle. The reason why others succeed is because they have gained their victory on their knees long before the battle came. Anticipate your battles; fight them on your knees before temptation comes, and you will always have victory.
Anonymous Nov. 13 7.26pm
DeleteIt is not clear what your advice is.
Are you assuming that the evils associated with LEF and the Daniels have not been made a matter of prayer?
Are you suggesting that only prayer should ever be the remedy, without action?
Setting aside anecdotes about snakes and eagles, why not take a look at church history, which will tell you that the Reformation did not come about either by action without prayer, or prayer without action.
Hopefully your post was meant to be helpful, but it must not be misunderstood as another version of the Daniel mantra 'Go away and humble yourselves and pray about it', by means of which instruction, clothed in a false air of 'spiritual authority', they have for decades managed to deflect the possibility that the creeping rot in them and in LEF might be made plain to all.
AnonymousNovember 14, 2015 2:07 AM
DeleteWrestling in the flesh against people under the influence of the devil may not yield the desired results.Blog is good,expose is also fine but the best way to respond is to wrestle in prayer.Those who truly love their association with the LEF must fast and pray for gods intervention.
Anonymous nov. 14 9am
DeleteWhy would anyone 'love their association' with LEF? This is pure sentiment, the kind of 'loyalty' that the Daniels depend on. You have stated that it is under the influence of the devil, yet you seem to encourage folk to love what is now the devil's work. You recommend that they 'fast and pray'. In fact there is no instruction in The New Testament for believers to fast, and Jesus only mentioned it as a practice of the pharisees by which means they consciously drew attention to their false piety. The routine practice of 'fasting prayer' on Saturdays is an invention of LEF. It is not bad in itself, but it is not part of normal Christian practice and adds nothing either to personal holiness or God's willingness to respond.
It is good that you recommend exposure and this blog, but what do you think constitutes the 'God's intervention' that must be 'fasted and prayed' for? Why must people 'wrestle', when the Scriptures give clear instruction as to what should be done:
1. RESIST the devil and he will flee from you
2. COME YE OUT FROM AMONG THEM and be ye separate, and touch not the unclean thing.
All that a Christian does should be in a spirit of prayer, but LEF makes prayer into a drudge and a burden, whereas it should be a joy and a relief, even when we pray in difficult circumstances.
What a good thing that Martin Luther and the other reformers did not adopt LEF tactics in dealing with the evil in the church of their time. If they had made prayer a substitute for action, we should never have been blessed with the Reformation.
I think you mean well, but you seem to be still saturated in the dubious teachings of LEF, expressed in the LEF cliches you use. LEF people (hopefully EX-LEF people!) must set aside all the brainwashing they have received and read their Bibles afresh, asking God to show them where they have been led astray by LEF teachings.
Mr. N Daniel and his wife did not pioneer the practice of prayer. It has been the principal resource of believers since man was created, and our natural response to the love of our Heavenly Father.
Being in close proximity with many evangelists and the Daniel family I would like to record my comments here.
ReplyDeleteLef is not a very popular group even in Christian circles. Many don’t even know about it.
So Since I've been born and brought up under the LEF ideologies.
Fact everyone will agree is, There are people who were and are Blessed thorough the LEF ministries. Let’s not deny it. They were people who plainly believed. It was a blessing for their innocence and their faith. Miracles happened and prayers were answered. Sick were healed and even the dead were raised. Fine! Did this happen only in LEF? This happens in other churches too.
Let’s come to another important thing.
Change of Heart! Is this happening only in LEF. No. There are a lot better Christians in other organizations and churches.
LEF highlights only certain things from the bible - whichever is convenient to them and set up their principles. This is absolutely wrong.
Everyone picks up a Bible word and says this is what the word of GOD says. The other person picks up another word and says exactly oppositely.
So Bible is manipulated. NO wonder there are so many Christian subdivisions.
LETS NOT QUOTE BIBLE WORDS HERE AND SAY GOD SAYS THIS AND THAT.
Don’t get behind the bible hide and say no one is perfect. Yes that’s true. But when someone points out that everything is wrong better have the courage and morale to accept the failure.
AN ORGANISATION IS DISORGANISED. THEY ARE BLINDED BY THEIR EGO AND POWER HUNGRY RATS AND DOGS.
Many would agree regarding the below points and say yes “Once up on a time.”
1.To attend church 5 times a week. Sunday morning, evening, midweek, cottage meetings, fasting prayer.
2. No TV, no watching Movies. Don’t go to theaters.
3. Even wearing Jeans pants was a sin once.
4. Not Buy anything from shops on Sunday.
5. Salvation & Restitution and asking pardon is a must. Otherwise all will look at you as you are the biggest sinner in the world.
6. So all know and have heard. I stole and returned, cheated in exam and asked pardon, travelled without ticket and returned etc. is a standard statement in all testimonies.
7. No play on Sunday. No watching cricket or any other.
8. No travel on Sunday for personal reasons.
9. No writing exams on Sunday or even studying acedemics.
10. Go to LEF church only and no other church.
11. Ask God’s will and get bible word for everything. Including studies, travelling, buying important but simple things and marriage, etc.
12. Not to question gods children and blindly obey them.
13. Tithe.
14. Referrals (Bringing in souls)
Did any other church have such rules. SO let’s stop here.
There are so many acquisition about LEF. Yes many of it mentioned in this blog is true. All of it is true of what is said about JD family. Only Money Matters to them.
Most of what is said in this blog is absolutely true.
1. Very minimal pay for workers. Won’t even suffice for basic needs.
2. Daniel Family coerce evangelists into doing mean jobs for them while they live in luxury
3. The Daniel family wanted themselves to be the top priority.
4. Collection is very important. Evangelists are bombarded in important centers if collection is not more.
5. LEF tops are Very critical about small things but flush money in the drain on giving bribes and buying luxury things and in scandalous land deals.
6. God is never important.
7. Women harassment and sexual abuse by preachers.
8. Funds misuse
9. Breaching many laws. Tax evasion, hawala, ect.
Its really disheartening. I still attend LEF. Speaking to people from small centers to medium to large centers- many people are aware of the misdeeds and all happenings. There is an air of confusion and commotion in many centers.
Despite knowing that LEF has many weaknesses, and that there are other churches where God did what He did in LEF, why are you still attending LEF?
DeleteHi Anonymous November 13, 2015 1:43 PM
DeleteYou have summarised facts correctly.You missed out on fixing Matches (Marriages),backbiting and bullying .
Anonymous Nov. 13 1.43pm
DeleteIt is unwise to suggest that people should not depend on Scripture for guidance in these and all other matters. However the problem with LEF is rooted in the fact that the teaching of Biblical principles and doctrines, or church history (other than the glorified history of LEF) has never been prominent or encouraged by its self-appointed leadership. They seem to depend on verses wrenched out of context to prove their points. The precepts are decided upon first, followed by the quoting of verses that seem to support them.The Daniels did it all the time, and do it even more as time goes by. Those who support them still do it here. You have given examples of the kind of phariseeism this leads to in your post.
That is not the way of true Biblical teaching. Principles and doctrines must emerge from Scripture, not emerge from the ideas of people, who then scrabble round looking for verses that seem to back them up. The Bible is a whole structure, lacking nothing that we need for this life, and, importantly, to help us discern truth and error. LEF people have been left largely ignorant of this structure and have been fed on a diet of past 'miracles' (alleged healings and 'raisings from the dead') mixed with personal interpretations of verses, or sections of Scripture, which the preachers manipulate largely to browbeat them into a continuing, and often false, sense of their own wretchedness. You will not find such emphasis on 'healings' etc. In the NT accounts of the early church in the epistles, but rather on the duty of preachers and teachers to take their listeners on into the 'strong meat' of the Word, to enable them to withstand spiritual evil, the increasing apostasies and heresies which were to come.
When referring to the 'past glories' of LEF, you yourself have not written that you are grateful for a thorough grounding in the Word and in Christian doctrine, which is enabling you to follow the Lord joyfully in this life. You have not rejoiced in an ability LEF gave you to 'rightly divide the Word of truth'. You write only of 'healings' and people allegedly being 'raised from the dead'. These phenomena seem to be fundamental to your understanding of what constitutes a good, sound ministry. Every 'sermon' I ever heard from Joshua Daniel gave prominence to the same hackneyed 'miracles', in which he was the central figure. In addition, reducing people to guilty tears was his mark of 'success'. A true work of the Holy Spirit builds believers up; it does not produce only guilt and subservience to man.
You and all LEF followers have been cheated of much of the Bible nourishment available to every hungry Christian. In the providence of God you have been given the discernment to realise much of what is wrong with LEF, but that discernment owes nothing to the 'teaching' you receive there. I write this to encourage you, not to criticise you.
'Come ye out from among them and be ye separate. Touch not the unclean thing.'
Show me an ideal Church and I will attend worship meetings there! But if I find even there some of the mistakes you are talking about here in LEF, what should I do?
DeleteAnonymous nov. 14 4.36am
DeleteA church is a group of believers who seek to order themselves corporately in accordance with Scriptural principles. If you are a Christian you don't merely 'attend' a church, you ARE the church! No local church will be 'ideal' because it comprises people who are flawed. However it is up to the church, these local gatherings of believers, in other words YOU, to make sure that YOUR church is as far as possible in accordance with how God has told us, in the Bible, it should be ordered and governed.
If you find unBiblical practices and dubious leaders in operation in YOUR church, then you have a duty to bring these up in regular church meetings, where every member has an equal say and an equal vote. If the group you attend has no formal membership, no regular church meetings, no means of bringing up issues publicly, and no means of voting about them, then you are not in a church and you should stop attending it and look for a real one.
Either you and others, as church members publicly accepted into fellowship, ARE the church, or there is no church. We are told 'Forsake not the gathering of yourselves together'. All Christians have a duty to meet with other Christians in prayer, worship, fellowship, and mutual support. It should also be a pleasure.
Your question seems similar in intent to that of the person who suggested here earlier that no individual who is not himself 'perfect' is entitled to expose wrongdoing in leadership, even when it affects the spiritual welfare of believers. That poster misused Scripture to make his/her point. To your credit, at least you have not!
Assuming your question was not entirely tongue-in-cheek, there have been links given here earlier to Christian groups in India which, as far as one can tell, are doing their best to propagate sound doctrine and to keep to Scriptural guidance about how they should be ordering themselves. If you are serious about wanting to worship in as godly a way as possible (given human imperfection), you will look up these links on Whistleblower, or Understand the Truth (Suniemi), or ask the people who are trying to help abused Indian believers via these websites to re-post them.
John Branch has divorced his wife.
ReplyDeleteConfirmed.
DeleteDid he divorce his wife, or the other way around? But the divorce news real? What confirmation do you have?
DeleteHow do we know that this information on JB's marital status is true?
DeleteHis wife put up a status on facebook
DeleteOr did she divorce him?
ReplyDeleteNext may retreat JJD would have preached that John branch didn't get visa and thus couldn't come.. Now that it's known that he has been divorced JJD wil blame his wife for not being humble enough and for not having the christlike proverbs 31 qualities.
ReplyDeleteWe will wait and see if JJD and LD will apply the same yardstick used to ban lizard from LEF Stages.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous Nov. 14 9.43am
ReplyDeleteSince you have mentioned Betty Daniel, surely only Betty could be crass enough to use the dreadful happenings in Paris as an opportunity for advertising her father and her dubious Telegu TV 'preaching' exploits on Facebook?
If this news about John Branch i will hold the late JD & his wife and the present head JJD accountable.Here are my questions to them
ReplyDeleteYou have a American Pastor living in your state visiting India for 10 years twice a year to preach in your retreats.Have you people not sensed the gradual thaw and strain in relationship between the spouses.What have you done to bridge them.You gave the pulpit to this pastor who was in a strained relationship but denied the pulpit to your brother in law and uncle Dr.Whitson Paul.
You do not know about the strained relationship KP (and thus with WP) had had with JD and his family.
DeleteHi Anonymous November 15, 2015 6:26 AM
DeleteI am aware of the strained relationship between KP and LD.Whatever be the differences in times of grief and death families come together and hide it below a rug.LD was a foolish to let the whole world know that she hates her in laws by throwing them out of the hq.She denied WP's request to offer a tribute at the funeral or Memorial service of JD.
JB and other foreign preachers never did what his own sister, KP did in relation to the damage of the work. She maintained her own secret network to play her politics to put anyone of her choice on stage or throw him. Ask people or evangelists who have witnessed her administration in the 80s; it was a terror even to mention or hear her name itself. These foreign preachers are just like any other human beings; so if someone is divorced or divorced, it should not be a de-merit point for JD to treat them worse than KP or WP, for they were O.K. when he was alive. And which is family is there without differences between and wife, and who will expect that they will divorce and not come to agreement? After all, there were local LEF evangelists (not overseas) trained in LEF or even grew up with JD, against whom many horrible allegations were made and unbelievable things happened thereafter. While a few left LEF denying those allegations, there others, who still attend Retreats! So, why do you think that JD treated JB and others better than WP or KP? Better know the whole story and think reasonably before making half-knowledge comments on foreign preachers.
DeleteAnonymousNovember 15, 2015 9:54 AM, forr the lack of better word to chose from, you can only be termed as plain stupid and totally blinded. We are talking here about JB being sacked from his own church on being proved that he had extra marital affair and the great JD (whom you seem to be wanting to idolize and defend) did not have the spiritual discernment not to know the inclinations of people whom he has chosen replace with KP and WP to run the LEF show business. JD replaced KP as a LEF administrator with IC who fell on his face with multiple allegations of sexual misconduct. Now the next one in John Branch, who has been paraded for over 10 years as a great preacher. How did LEF and Daniel family that talked about HOLINESS mission become so blind as to not discern that their close allies and henchmen were men who could not be keep their eyes and hands off the other women? What kind of fool are you to sit ans justify this immorality in LEF?
DeleteThis post has Ref to: Anonymous November 15, 2015 10:15 AM
DeleteNow my friend:
No where did the blogger mention in his post that JB has resigned from his own church ON BEING PROVED that HE HAD EXTRA MARITAL AFFAIR. Check it here again:
“ …the most pressing concern is about John Branch who seems to have resigned (or sacked) as a pastor from a church called "THE CROSS" based in Rochester, Indiana. “
Then quoting to some of the earlier postings, the blogger asked, “IS THIS ALLEGATION TRUE? Is this also the reason for John Branch's resigning/being sacked from the THE CROSS? …….." Notice that the blogger never confirmed that EXTRA MARITAL AFFAIR, which you are so confidently emphasizing. He merely posed QUESTIONS without confirming the allegation you gave! It is only the readers’ speculations as of today: readers are making their own conclusions.
Secondly, as you mentioned, KP is never replaced by IC; he did only a part of what she did: the financial handling – not the decision making, be it administration, or policy making etc.
Third, you asked “How did LEF and Daniel family that talked about HOLINESS mission BECOME SO BLIND as to not discern that their close allies and henchmen were men who could not be keep their eyes and hands off the other women?”
Well my friend, when God chose David to succeed Saul, does God not know that one day in future that David would fall in sin with Bathsheba? Do you mean to say that God did not have the spiritual discernment and was blind? Same is the case with Solomon: God prevented David from building a church for God for shedding too much blood, but entrusted that work to his son, Solomon. And the same Solomon, towards the end of his life built temples for other idols/gods. Can you believe it? So, does God does not have the discernment and was blind?
I am not justifying immorality anywhere, you are mistaken, but I don't like to be unreasonable either. We cannot expect a mere human being (be it preacher, or whoever) to speculate things that would happen in future and act even now. Your expectation of a mere human being is too much, be it JD, SD or some other D; or LEF, DEF or some other F! Pl. show me a church or organization whose pastor has the discernment you expected, and succeeded cent percent of his career in what you had expected.
Now let me leave the readers of these posts to decide the rest.
Anonymous Nov. 15 2.14pm
DeleteGod did not put John Branch on the platform for ten years, Joshua Daniel did!
Surely you LEF people are taught by the Daniels that you have to repent openly of every little sin? Where is John Branch's open repentance for having an ongoing affair whilst he was simultaneously preaching to thousands of you about 'holiness'? It seems that John Branch, far from expressing remorse, has gone to ground and made himself uncontactable.
Where are Lily and John Daniel's expressions of repentance? They further tried to crush a wronged wife by instructing her to 'humble herself' when she went to them in good faith. They plotted and planned to hide John Branch's sin from the naive LEF people to whom he had been 'preaching' whilst continuing in that sin, and probably still would be preaching 'holiness' if he had not been found out and forced to resign his pastorate. Why did the so 'virtuous' Daniels not request John Branch to 'humble himself' and make a public confession to LEF people?
Why do some of you gullible, brainwashed people not expect at least the same standards from the Daniels and their henchmen that they mercilessly impose upon you? Why can you not accept that your idols, the Daniels, have, and always have had, feet of clay?
This is an eye opener and is not new to raise our eyebrows.The problem with LEF is the three fold ministry is missing.As far as my knowledge concerned it ended with Devasahayam nayana(we call him as it interprets father) who was trained by Late N. Daniel.I am a close observer and a witness of Nayana's work .Preaching the Word,Healing the sick casting out demons through fasting prayer - These three are not going together.Without the knowledge and personal experience of these three it is quiet difficult for a preacher to stand on the long run keeping in view the strength of the enemy and more over a good mentor also is of great need.Now the problem is there are good people but such will never be given an opportunity to carry out the work and you blowers knew pretty well the hurdles.
ReplyDeleteSrinivas Gangari Nov. 15 7.13am
DeleteThe problem with LEF is nothing to do with dubious 'healings' and 'castings out of demons'.
The problem with LEF is that the Word is not thoroughly and systematically preached. The problem with LEF is that its so-called leaders have not been obedient to God in encouraging the setting up of biblically governed churches. The problem with LEF is that its followers have chosen rather to wallow in teaching based on dramatic occurrences and the browbeating of congregations into submission to a series of hirelings. The problem with LEF is that its leaders are self-appointed, not God-appointed, and refuse to 'humble themselves' into being accountable to those whom they dominate (sometimes even brutalise).
Please study the New Testament epistles instead of merely stagnating in the last few verses of Mark's Gospel. Stop trying to cover up the fact that whatever may have been the case 80 years ago, LEF is now an unmistakable cult.