In the list of crimes done by LEF rogues against the country and its people, we need to now include their conducting this "annual circus" during the election time in Tamilnadu. The fundamental right of every citizen of the country/state is to select his/her representative to the government and this right can be exercised only once in 5 years. Tamilnadu is going to elect assembly members and the next government to rule them in a few hours and these fools are oblivious of that fact when planning the dates for this "mela." Chennai was hit badly in the floods just 6 months ago and many people saw how inefficient and reckless the government was in dealing with flood situation. This election is their chance to redeem the situation and elect a government that they think will work for the welfare of the people. These rogues conduct this God forsaken gathering during this crucial time and snatch away the opportunity from these people to exercise their basic right. People are given a day off from work on an election day. Why are people given a day off? It means that every employer has to acknowledge that its employees are part of a larger society and that they have to be given an opportunity to exercise their democratic right without having to worry about losing a day's wage. What message are these LEF rogues sending by doing such an arrogant and audacious thing of scheduling this retreat during the election time ? The message is loud and clear- WE DO NOT CARE FOR THE COUNTRY OR ITS ITS CITIZENS OR ITS DEMOCRATIC PROCESSES!!! PEOPLE IN LEF ARE DANIEL FAMILY SLAVES FIRST AND THEN THEY GET TO PLAY OTHER ROLES OF BEING A CITIZEN OF COUNTRY, BEING A MEMBER OF A SOCIETY, OR BEING PART OF A FAMILY. Are people of LEF under some kind of Sharia law which means that it doesn't really matter whether they vote or not in assembly elections?
Let not this John Daniel and Lily Daniel think that nobody is watching them and the atrocities they are carrying out to hurt people. The outside world is watching this drama very closely. When the time comes to nail these rogues (which will be soon!), acts such as these will be blaring evidences that this rogue organization, LEF is an anti-national entity and runs its own dictatorial empire within a democratic country!!! India is a democracy and I wonder if these rogues even realize that. What is not allowed in a larger democratic society in India cannot be allowed in all the other entities even if these entities are religious in nature. All the practices of every entity religious or otherwise that operate in India have to meet their obligation of aligning with the democratic frame works that define this country. If every citizen of the country is given a right to elect his/her leader, every member of LEF who pledges allegiance to this organization should also be given the democratic right to elect his/her leader. Is it because John Daniel voted himself to become the LEF head that he doesn't have any respect for the democratic process of electing a government in Tamilnadu and is conducting this mela during election time???
Let not this John Daniel and Lily Daniel think that nobody is watching them and the atrocities they are carrying out to hurt people. The outside world is watching this drama very closely. When the time comes to nail these rogues (which will be soon!), acts such as these will be blaring evidences that this rogue organization, LEF is an anti-national entity and runs its own dictatorial empire within a democratic country!!! India is a democracy and I wonder if these rogues even realize that. What is not allowed in a larger democratic society in India cannot be allowed in all the other entities even if these entities are religious in nature. All the practices of every entity religious or otherwise that operate in India have to meet their obligation of aligning with the democratic frame works that define this country. If every citizen of the country is given a right to elect his/her leader, every member of LEF who pledges allegiance to this organization should also be given the democratic right to elect his/her leader. Is it because John Daniel voted himself to become the LEF head that he doesn't have any respect for the democratic process of electing a government in Tamilnadu and is conducting this mela during election time???
This LEF is a blot and shame to Christians in India
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ReplyDeleteJohn made an announcement in the retreat today that going forward at every LEF center every week people are expected to play the message of Late.Joshua Daniel .All center heads would be given DVD's which have 52 messages of Late Joshua Daniel and these are to be played each week either in fasting and prayer or mid week prayer meeting.
When there are living evangelists why play the message of a dead person.
Exactly. Only to continue the personality cult.
DeleteEven Jesus Did not asked to keep reciting what he said or forced his image . Only Satan try to force himself on the form of idols.
DeleteIts just pure madness for name and fame and power. This shows that LEF is everything about Daniel Family .. always and for ever.. No importance to GOD. .. CSI & even catholic churches are any time churches are any time better for sure..
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Even if Joshua Daniel's preaching had any merit, the enforced imposing of it (or any other activity) on local Christian groups would be quite wrong.
Since Joshua Daniel's 'preaching' is in fact rambling, repetitive, and devoid of theological or spiritual merit, this edict is spiritual vandalism.
John Daniel's 'preaching' efforts are even worse than his father's, but one cannot help wondering why he is not insisting that people listen to him - at least he is still alive ( more-or-less!). Could it be that John Daniel simply cannot be bothered to even try to 'feed the flock'? He seems to have some kind of job in connection with a firm producing carpete for cars. He also continues to promote recordings of himself playing (sort of) the trumpet and his daughters singing (sort of). That takes time and money. He has also insinuated himself into a local township committee in the USA. He also runs his own private family church in Novi Michigan. It seems that Christian studies with a view to feeding the wider LEF flock are a very low priority, which is probably why he taught from the platform that Noah sat at the feet of Jesus!
How much income does John Daniel actually acquire from LEF tithes and offerings?
By the way, does anyone know where the relatively new foreign faces at the May retreat came from? There is someone referred to as 'Pastor Doug' who sings, and an elderly Irish man who speaks.
Is 'Pastor Doug' the next John Branch? Lock up your daughters if so........ John Branch still seems to read this blog. Maybe this erstwhile LEF darling and simultaneous adulterer has a tip or two for 'Pastor Doug '?
We are v. Careful when it comes to our academic studies.we want the v.best institution and teachers.But when it comes to spiritual matters anything goes.in lef anyone can preach anything. Hindu converts with no training preach whatever they feel like preaching. If your teacher takes class without any preparation will you accept it? Then why such carelessness when it pertains to spiritual matters?
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ReplyDeleteThere is no way I can go through all these fool John Daniel's ramblings to find out where he spoke about this family. Can someone do a huge favor and let us know what session and what time this fool bad mouth this family?
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DeleteLet's not intervene in others personal matter. It is not good to use God's platform to bluff unwanted and unnecessary things. If you can't preach a good positive thoughts and words of blessing, better you can step out. People need positive energy and good insight from holy book. Please don't waste time in telling stories from others life. If we look back to the records, the so called boy and girl were united by John Daniels father at the HOLY place (HQ). The boy’s father and mother were not at all happy about the proposal but again they blindly followed the leader in charge and now they too are suffering. The basic problem in LEF is matrimony business where a young girl will be married to man who is 10 years more than the girl’s age. Sometimes vice versa. LEF minus matrimony will have some hope to grow.
Why can't LEF restrict the context and content of their messages just to the bubble and provide illustrations from non controversial stuff.If John named the quarrelling couple ,he can be sued.If he did not name them and provided graphic details about the marital problems of a & b he in his message that is an indicator that he is a mean peeping Tom.
ReplyDeleteHey John I challenge you fellow to illustrate about the immoral life of your sisters and IC.
John will never publicly speak against his immediate family. I remember having a conversation with him 20 years ago where I implied that his brothers were not real LEFers. He responded that his brothers are good guys and that they can help the work of the LEF. It was well known at that time that James and Joseph came and went as they chose (to LEF meetings), did not follow some basic LEF lifestyle choices, and were not respected by most LEFers in the US and Canada. Of course time has shown that these two have completely distanced themselves from the LEF. John was giving these two guys a free pass. The sisters are yet a different matter. As has been said many times, one measuring stick for the Daniels, another measure for everyone else.
DeleteJohn must first illustrate the quarrels between his late aunt and her husband.He can also preach about the problems he has with his uncle Whitson and aunt kamala. Will he speak about his friend John Brqnch's sexcapades and subsequent divorce.
ReplyDeleteone or two messages were about peter paul andhra guntur
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ReplyDeleteI am removing all the comments about this family feud. This website is not for people to settle their scores resulting from domestic fights and squabbles. The couple in question and their families may have their own versions and this website is not the place for them to get at each other. It is John Daniel, Lily Daniel and their cohorts who are at the helms of affairs and it is their abuse of power we are trying to confront. It is the practice of this fool John Daniel rambling from the stage about the private issues of people that we vehemently oppose and again this website is not the place to defend either party and sling mud at each other. What is crystal clear is that the family needs help and that the present LEF leadership because of it own moral failings has no capacity to resolve problems and that's why this incompetent fool John Daniel resorts to these unscrupulous method of getting on to the stage to bully people around.
ReplyDeleteWise move. Thank you for your work.
Deletedear wb, the new look of this page is problematic. 1)all comments are not visible in the page. 2) each comment opens in new tab or window.
ReplyDeleteso it is confusing to know which comment was read or not and unable to follow the comments fully. Request you to roll back to previous version of settings. thanks, david paul
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ReplyDeleteWhy still many people join may retreat?
ReplyDeleteIs it true, anonymous May 18, 2016 10:04 AM?The basic problem in LEF is matrimony business where a young girl will be married to man who is 10 years more than the girl’s age. Sometimes vice versa."""--- I don't think so for ladies....can you reply...how?
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ReplyDeleteAdjoining beulah gardens was bought by a a few lef people like mr.jaysingh, mr. Timothy, mr. Moses, saba, etc. Each of them paid a sum of nearly rs.50,000. Which was the land rate at that time. The lef has the documents for these properties and is refusing to register the land in the name of these individuals. W.B. Could you look into this matter and bring things to light.
Lef may be the only group in the whole world that call other Christians as bad. No other group like csi or RC or Pentecost or any other makes such cheap statements. This group people is nothing only proud and self ritcheos. This is because of the wrong teachings and idol worship of the Daniel family.
ReplyDeleteSomeone asked why still many people join may retreat.
I feel for many it's because.
1.Routine, Just time pass. Jolly summer trip to Chennai.
2.time away from home. to meet some old friends
3.to please local evangelist
4.to find a match for son/daughter
Not very jolly to sit for hours in the heat listening to the prolonged and incoherent ramblings of John Daniel and the embarrassingly loud and tuneless singing of Rodney Bills and various elderly Indians - not to mention the enforced warbling and posturing of the so-called 'Daniel Five', and the tedious rhetoric of the elderly Australian, Arthur Hill; or the mealy-mouthed mumblings of Lily Daniel and the obviously bored-to-distraction Caleb Daniel banging away on his little keyboard; well, at least they no longer have to tolerate the hypocritical shriekings of John Branch, the adulterer from Rochester USA - but who is this 'Pastor Doug' that has suddenly appeared, merrily carolling away?
ReplyDeletePerhaps the hoi-polloi do get paid for putting up with all of this for several days, as it has been claimed. They are certainly threatened. I seem to remember that John Daniel, in his 'Poor me, my Mummy couldn't afford to buy me a bun!' message on 15 May a.m. (did I type 'message'? Isn't a message supposed to convey something significant?), implied that God regards failure to attend a May retreat as worthy of punishment nearly equal to that of being 'cast into outer darkness'.
Do people really submit themselves to this torture in order to please some local LEF centre head person? Or to submit their children to the machinations of the Daniels and their henchmen which lead to bizarre and unhappy marriages?
The only positive take on the reasons supplied by Anonymous 22 May 7.36am might be that if they are true, then such people do not actually take LEF or its 'teachings' very seriously, following their own counsel and agenda when they are away from LEF surveillance. However this does not help the poor victims of LEF matchmaking, nor the simple and gullible, who see the crowds and think that this must demonstrate some merit in LEF. People, it doesn't!
Exactly. Thats what the above mentioned points refer to. Not at all serious. Just For name sake lef goers.
ReplyDeleteThe Daniel family is scared of democracy and ideas of equality, it feels it has been called as an an Arron like priest hood, maybe also like Abraham, Moses etc. This funny idea is used to justify the families useless preaching and big handedness
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