I am shifting the gears for my readers to see through the games, manipulations and atrocities done by people who perceive themselves to have a certain kind of power over people in LEF. This is none other than the rogue who by his classic "boot licking" ended up in Hyderabad as an evangelist to this "big center." Yes, you guessed it right -Gnanakalanjiam!!!
This account I am writing is not something that I heard from someone else but something that I know first hand.
Gnanakalanjiam and his wife came in to Hyderabad center as "insignificant nobodies," at least that's what they told everybody they were. Gnanam told people that he had no powers whatsoever. He told people that Joshua Daniel asked him not have anything to do with money or big decisions like conducting marriages etc. He played the typical game that Gunalan, Immanuel Chakravarthy, John Raja et al play any time people go to him- I will do only what Joshua Daniel/John Daniel approves. This is a typical Marwari strategy that is generally used to put up a show that a person is just a "puppet," while everyone involved knows very well that this so called "puppet" is also the "puppet master." The older generation in Hyderabad (who built this work from the scratch with the founder of Hyderabad LEF center, late Mr. Jubileeraj) were sick and tired of Gnanam's monkey tricks and stayed away from him as they figured it was not worth their time and effort to connect with this joker. Now Gnanam created his own troupe with people who have very little credibility of their own. One such is Jacob Raj, whom Gnanam proudly calls his Personal Assistant (in the lines of Joshua Daniel and now John Daniel calling Gunalan as PA). Apparently, Gnanam only operates through this PA and people have to get in touch with this PA guy to get an appointment to talk to Gnanam. Quite a grand show there!!!
The core team which was responsible for building and growing LEF work in Hyderabad consists of well educated people who had high paying jobs. Almost all Hyderabad people will recognize the following names: Mr. Sinclair, Mr. Prasad (Stenno), Mr. John Isaac, Mr. Baburao, Mr. Ravi, Mr. Darshan, Mr. S. Paul, Mr. Prakash, Mr. Kumar Raj, , Mr. Abraham (PWD), Mr.Alexander, Mr. Timothy (ECIL). (If I missed some names, kindly add them with your comments) These are people who breathed LEF in their prime years and dedicated their time, energy and resources without any hesitation to grow LEF work in and around Hyderabad. Most of these men were married in LEF system and when the time came for them to enjoy the fruits of their hard work, this joker Gnanam ended up becoming the center leader. He systematically sidelined every single one of them and how did he manage to do that? It was all because one or more of most of these men's (mentioned above) children did not give the LEF crooks the pleasure to meddle with their marriages. Whether Gnanam concocted it or really followed Joshua Daniel's dictates is anybody's guess but the verdict was that if someone's child married outside LEF, then automatically the father falls from grace and cannot be used for "ministry." That disqualified most of these men (except a couple who rigged the system with their cunningness) from having any kind of "privileges" in Hyderabad LEF. Most of these men who are now in their late 60s or early 70s are comfortably retired and do not feel the need to massage the ego of this joker Gnanam to "win a spot" in Gnanam's core team. Somehow Gnanam now started thinking that he has become a mini version of "Joshua Daniel." While most of these senior people couldn't care less for a joker like Gnanam, Gnanam likes to believe that he has scared these people away and nobody dares to question him about the way he is doing "LEF business." It is not that these men do not dare to question Gnanam, it is just that they find no reason to stoop so low as to put up with this idiot as almost all of these men have children who are well educated and well placed not only in secular jobs but also in christian circles outside LEF. So, now Gnanam has some small fish that are caught in LEF net to play with to derive his sadistic pleasure.
Here is the account of one such small fish family whom Gnanam and his wife are royally playing around with to their hearts content and this family happens to be related to me.
Gnanam and his wife took control of the youngest of the three children in this family. A sickly father is the only earning member of this family and parents spent their sweat and blood to educate all the three children. The youngest girl came out with flying colors with an engineering degree and had a well paying job. Gnanam and his wife packed off this girl to Salem to work as a school teacher in the LEF school. Of course, the justification is that this girl had "God's call" and all Gnanam and his wife did was to facilitate her desire to obey "God's call." Were the parents happy about it? Now that is a difficult question. Even if the parents are unhappy, how can they voice it out? After all isn't it a matter of honor that one's young and unmarried daughter is taking such a bold step of 'faith' of giving up her all to obey God's call? So, the parents at least did not openly show any displeasure and played along. The girl is in Salem for almost 2 years now. Parents have been running behind Gnanam about the girl's marriage for a while now. Couple of weeks ago, parents got a call from the daughter who was in Salem asking them to book "Lutheran Church" for her wedding and Sridhar Function Plaza (which is next door to Hyderabad LEF center) for reception on May 5th. Is it supposed to be a pleasant surprise or a rude shock? For a minute, let us play along and call it a "pleasant surprise." Then let us see what are all the elements of surprise the parents and family had in store:
1. Who is the boy?
2. What did he study?
3. Where does he work and how much does he earn?
4. Which city does the boy live in?
5. What is boy's name?
6. Who are his parents?
7. Where does the boy's family live?
8. Are boy's parents aware of this marriage?
9. Does this boy have any siblings?
10. How will the marriage expenses be met?
11. Last but not least, why book Lutheran church for the marriage when all of this is happening through LEF?
Without having any definitive answers for any of the above questions, Gnanam directs the girl to tell her parents to book a church and function hall for the wedding.
Now my father who boasts of being in LEF for 40+ years is the one who is responsible for this family to be played into the hands of these LEF rogues. He dragged this family into LEF and of course he has the responsibility to find all the answers for the above questions which he did try to find to the best of his ability. My father who also managed to have several stints in LEF including but not limited to being an "evangelist" unfortunately never had first hand experience of going through the drama of LEF marriage in his 40+ years association with LEF. I can count at least 50+ families my father may have brought into this LEF web but somehow either because he managed tactfully or it just happened, no one so far got trapped into LEF's deeper web- the LEF marriage.So, no one including my father knows the fine mechanics of LEF marriage protocol. But something seemed amiss. There were more questions than answers. Here are some legitimate questions anybody with some common sense would and should ask:
1. Parents are from LEF. They come to all LEF services and more:give tithes regularly and not only that but made the ultimate sacrifice of sending their unmarried daughter to work in a LEF school so far from home (in a different state) for just a fraction of the money she was making as an engineer. Why didn't Gnanam tell the parents about this particular proposal before not only talking about it to the girl but also making the girl "pray" and tell him that she got "God's will"?
What was the need to hide it from parents? Did Gnanam and his wife think that if parents are informed first, then the parents would do their initial research and find something about the boy that may not allow them to go forward? Why work the whole thing around the parents? So, the bottom line is that Gnanam and his wife assumed more control and power over the girl than the parents who raised the girl for all these years!!!
Would Gnanam and his wife allow something like this to happen with their daughter's marriage?
If this is not deception, then what else is deception?
So, now here is how this game works.
The girl/boy gets isolated from the family. While they are away from parents, some LEF rogue takes over the control of these children. All in the name of facilitating the process of "doing God's will," these boys and girls are pushed to marry the person of these LEF's rogues' choice.
Now my father who feels morally responsible to do his own due diligence to find out more details about the groom and his family seems to have found out some not so desirable details about the proposed groom. But it is now too late to even reassess this whole marriage deal as all marriage arrangements are carried out in tearing hurry. Any time any of the family members made an attempt to slow down to buy some time to process this whole marriage deal that seems to be happening at lightning speed, Gnanam acts high and mighty saying "the girl told us she got God's will and that's why we went ahead and organized this marriage and it is up to you all to allow your child to do God's will or not." So, in essence all Gnanam conveys is -"Take it or Leave it." "Taking it" is the only choice left to the parents as leaving it means the family now falls from grace and people in LEF know too well what happens when they fall from the "grace" of these crooked rogues in LEF who pose as "benevolent masters." Knowing that "leaving it" is not an option for this cornered family and in particular to this girl, Gnanam is deriving every kind of evil pleasure in controlling this family. The biggest trump card Gnanam has in his hands is "the girl told us that she got a verse from the Bible that this marriage is God's will so if any one of you have any doubts about this, you are only working against this girl who wants to do God's will."
Now as all of this is happening at "spiritual realm of God's will," lesser mortals such us parents and family members were told not to put spokes in the wheels. We all backed off as there didn't seem to be much room for any kind of rational reasoning with this whole marriage deal but then there is one objection from the family that Gnanam is not able to curb with his trump card of "the girl got God's will." In fact, this trump card that Gnanam used to silence the family when they asked for clarifications and justifications what is now putting Gnanam on a weak wicket.
If all of this is God's will like it is supposed to be according to LEF's protocol, then what is the reason for Gnanam to not allow this marriage to be solemnized in LEF prayer hall?
As it stands today, the marriage is preponed to May 3rd to fit the calendar of Gnana Praksham of Salem who is scheduled to solemnize this wedding. Both the marriage and the reception are going to be held in Sridhar Function Plaza (the compound adjacent to Hyderabad LEF center).
The best justification that Gnanam gave so far for not allowing the marriage to be solemnized in Hyderabad LEF prayer hall is -"I am trying to save the family money as I don't want them to waste money in decorating both the function hall and the prayer hall for the wedding."
My father seems to have muttered a lot of courage to finally confront Gnanam as some of his contemporaries from Hyderabad LEF managed to awaken the dormant spirit of my father. My father seems to have told Gnanam that this marriage needed to take place in LEF prayer hall and if Gnanam was not going to make this happen, then that he would take this matter up with John Daniel, the head of LEF. Now Gnanam apparently asked my dad to write down his request and send it to him so that Gnanam can forward it to John Daniel which my father promptly did.
Now another layer of deception. Why should this supposed request go through Gnanam? What makes grown men like my father turn into puppets in the hands of these worthless people like Gnanam and John Daniel? All of this is way beyond my comprehension. Makes me wonder if God somehow forgot to give courage to my father and realized this after the fact and gave me double the dose of it to compensate for that loss...ha ha!!!
Jokes apart, so while everybody is waiting with battered breath to find out what John Daniel's final decision about allowing this marriage to take place in LEF center, I thought I will write about this here so that there won't be any more foul play as there is every possibility for Gnanam to say that John Daniel did not approve this even without taking the issue to him.
My readers might ask as to why Gnanam would lie like this. Here is why:
This whole marriage seems to be some kind of an unofficial deal that Gnanam and his wife are doing in collusion with Gnana Prakasham and his wife who are LEF evangelists in Salem.
Here are some questions:
1. Who gave power to Gnanam to separate unmarried girls from their parents and send them to Salem?
2. What power did Gnana Prakasham have to accept this girl? (Apparently she is not the only one girl who went from Hyderabad. Gnanam sent few other girls to Salem)
3. Is this some kind of protocol that Gnanam and Gnana Prakasham devised to start controlling girls' marriages after isolating them from their families?
4. If some thing goes wrong with these girls during their stay in Salem, is LEF as an organization liable for this or is it an under hand deal that can never be traced back to LEF?
5. Gnanam has power to move an unmarried girl away from parents. He also has power to fix the marriage of the girl without consulting the parents but he doesn't have power to allow the marriage to be solemnized in LEF prayer hall. In what capacity is Gnanam exercising this kind of power over people? Is it not in the capacity of LEF evangelist which is his official tittle in LEF ?
6. If Gnanam the LEF evangelist fixed the marriage and if Gnana Prakasham another LEF evangelist is solemnizing the marriage of not any random girl but of the girl who was working for a LEF school with the boy who is also from LEF, then what is the reason for this marriage not to take place in LEF prayer hall?
7. What else is required of this family and particularly of this girl (who not only left her parents but also a high paying job) for her to be married in a LEF prayer hall or LEF church as they are referred to?
8. If LEF prayer halls are not available for marriages of people who tithe in LEF, who work for LEF schools and also who marry according to LEF rule books (nobody in the family including the girl has seen the groom so far whom this girl is scheduled to marry on May 3rd) of doing God's will (which is equivalent to blindly believing these LEF evangelists), then for whose benefit is this LEF running?
9. John Daniel should recall that he was married in LEF HQ in Chennai. Not only the solemnizing the marriage, but also the reception which followed the wedding also took place in LEF property. Are all these LEF properties reserved for the sole use of Daniel clan and the selected few?
As always, about things that have anything to do with LEF, there are more perplexing questions than answers!!!
The core team which was responsible for building and growing LEF work in Hyderabad consists of well educated people who had high paying jobs. Almost all Hyderabad people will recognize the following names: Mr. Sinclair, Mr. Prasad (Stenno), Mr. John Isaac, Mr. Baburao, Mr. Ravi, Mr. Darshan, Mr. S. Paul, Mr. Prakash, Mr. Kumar Raj, , Mr. Abraham (PWD), Mr.Alexander, Mr. Timothy (ECIL). (If I missed some names, kindly add them with your comments) These are people who breathed LEF in their prime years and dedicated their time, energy and resources without any hesitation to grow LEF work in and around Hyderabad. Most of these men were married in LEF system and when the time came for them to enjoy the fruits of their hard work, this joker Gnanam ended up becoming the center leader. He systematically sidelined every single one of them and how did he manage to do that? It was all because one or more of most of these men's (mentioned above) children did not give the LEF crooks the pleasure to meddle with their marriages. Whether Gnanam concocted it or really followed Joshua Daniel's dictates is anybody's guess but the verdict was that if someone's child married outside LEF, then automatically the father falls from grace and cannot be used for "ministry." That disqualified most of these men (except a couple who rigged the system with their cunningness) from having any kind of "privileges" in Hyderabad LEF. Most of these men who are now in their late 60s or early 70s are comfortably retired and do not feel the need to massage the ego of this joker Gnanam to "win a spot" in Gnanam's core team. Somehow Gnanam now started thinking that he has become a mini version of "Joshua Daniel." While most of these senior people couldn't care less for a joker like Gnanam, Gnanam likes to believe that he has scared these people away and nobody dares to question him about the way he is doing "LEF business." It is not that these men do not dare to question Gnanam, it is just that they find no reason to stoop so low as to put up with this idiot as almost all of these men have children who are well educated and well placed not only in secular jobs but also in christian circles outside LEF. So, now Gnanam has some small fish that are caught in LEF net to play with to derive his sadistic pleasure.
Here is the account of one such small fish family whom Gnanam and his wife are royally playing around with to their hearts content and this family happens to be related to me.
Gnanam and his wife took control of the youngest of the three children in this family. A sickly father is the only earning member of this family and parents spent their sweat and blood to educate all the three children. The youngest girl came out with flying colors with an engineering degree and had a well paying job. Gnanam and his wife packed off this girl to Salem to work as a school teacher in the LEF school. Of course, the justification is that this girl had "God's call" and all Gnanam and his wife did was to facilitate her desire to obey "God's call." Were the parents happy about it? Now that is a difficult question. Even if the parents are unhappy, how can they voice it out? After all isn't it a matter of honor that one's young and unmarried daughter is taking such a bold step of 'faith' of giving up her all to obey God's call? So, the parents at least did not openly show any displeasure and played along. The girl is in Salem for almost 2 years now. Parents have been running behind Gnanam about the girl's marriage for a while now. Couple of weeks ago, parents got a call from the daughter who was in Salem asking them to book "Lutheran Church" for her wedding and Sridhar Function Plaza (which is next door to Hyderabad LEF center) for reception on May 5th. Is it supposed to be a pleasant surprise or a rude shock? For a minute, let us play along and call it a "pleasant surprise." Then let us see what are all the elements of surprise the parents and family had in store:
1. Who is the boy?
2. What did he study?
3. Where does he work and how much does he earn?
4. Which city does the boy live in?
5. What is boy's name?
6. Who are his parents?
7. Where does the boy's family live?
8. Are boy's parents aware of this marriage?
9. Does this boy have any siblings?
10. How will the marriage expenses be met?
11. Last but not least, why book Lutheran church for the marriage when all of this is happening through LEF?
Without having any definitive answers for any of the above questions, Gnanam directs the girl to tell her parents to book a church and function hall for the wedding.
Now my father who boasts of being in LEF for 40+ years is the one who is responsible for this family to be played into the hands of these LEF rogues. He dragged this family into LEF and of course he has the responsibility to find all the answers for the above questions which he did try to find to the best of his ability. My father who also managed to have several stints in LEF including but not limited to being an "evangelist" unfortunately never had first hand experience of going through the drama of LEF marriage in his 40+ years association with LEF. I can count at least 50+ families my father may have brought into this LEF web but somehow either because he managed tactfully or it just happened, no one so far got trapped into LEF's deeper web- the LEF marriage.So, no one including my father knows the fine mechanics of LEF marriage protocol. But something seemed amiss. There were more questions than answers. Here are some legitimate questions anybody with some common sense would and should ask:
1. Parents are from LEF. They come to all LEF services and more:give tithes regularly and not only that but made the ultimate sacrifice of sending their unmarried daughter to work in a LEF school so far from home (in a different state) for just a fraction of the money she was making as an engineer. Why didn't Gnanam tell the parents about this particular proposal before not only talking about it to the girl but also making the girl "pray" and tell him that she got "God's will"?
What was the need to hide it from parents? Did Gnanam and his wife think that if parents are informed first, then the parents would do their initial research and find something about the boy that may not allow them to go forward? Why work the whole thing around the parents? So, the bottom line is that Gnanam and his wife assumed more control and power over the girl than the parents who raised the girl for all these years!!!
Would Gnanam and his wife allow something like this to happen with their daughter's marriage?
If this is not deception, then what else is deception?
So, now here is how this game works.
The girl/boy gets isolated from the family. While they are away from parents, some LEF rogue takes over the control of these children. All in the name of facilitating the process of "doing God's will," these boys and girls are pushed to marry the person of these LEF's rogues' choice.
Now my father who feels morally responsible to do his own due diligence to find out more details about the groom and his family seems to have found out some not so desirable details about the proposed groom. But it is now too late to even reassess this whole marriage deal as all marriage arrangements are carried out in tearing hurry. Any time any of the family members made an attempt to slow down to buy some time to process this whole marriage deal that seems to be happening at lightning speed, Gnanam acts high and mighty saying "the girl told us she got God's will and that's why we went ahead and organized this marriage and it is up to you all to allow your child to do God's will or not." So, in essence all Gnanam conveys is -"Take it or Leave it." "Taking it" is the only choice left to the parents as leaving it means the family now falls from grace and people in LEF know too well what happens when they fall from the "grace" of these crooked rogues in LEF who pose as "benevolent masters." Knowing that "leaving it" is not an option for this cornered family and in particular to this girl, Gnanam is deriving every kind of evil pleasure in controlling this family. The biggest trump card Gnanam has in his hands is "the girl told us that she got a verse from the Bible that this marriage is God's will so if any one of you have any doubts about this, you are only working against this girl who wants to do God's will."
Now as all of this is happening at "spiritual realm of God's will," lesser mortals such us parents and family members were told not to put spokes in the wheels. We all backed off as there didn't seem to be much room for any kind of rational reasoning with this whole marriage deal but then there is one objection from the family that Gnanam is not able to curb with his trump card of "the girl got God's will." In fact, this trump card that Gnanam used to silence the family when they asked for clarifications and justifications what is now putting Gnanam on a weak wicket.
If all of this is God's will like it is supposed to be according to LEF's protocol, then what is the reason for Gnanam to not allow this marriage to be solemnized in LEF prayer hall?
As it stands today, the marriage is preponed to May 3rd to fit the calendar of Gnana Praksham of Salem who is scheduled to solemnize this wedding. Both the marriage and the reception are going to be held in Sridhar Function Plaza (the compound adjacent to Hyderabad LEF center).
The best justification that Gnanam gave so far for not allowing the marriage to be solemnized in Hyderabad LEF prayer hall is -"I am trying to save the family money as I don't want them to waste money in decorating both the function hall and the prayer hall for the wedding."
My father seems to have muttered a lot of courage to finally confront Gnanam as some of his contemporaries from Hyderabad LEF managed to awaken the dormant spirit of my father. My father seems to have told Gnanam that this marriage needed to take place in LEF prayer hall and if Gnanam was not going to make this happen, then that he would take this matter up with John Daniel, the head of LEF. Now Gnanam apparently asked my dad to write down his request and send it to him so that Gnanam can forward it to John Daniel which my father promptly did.
Now another layer of deception. Why should this supposed request go through Gnanam? What makes grown men like my father turn into puppets in the hands of these worthless people like Gnanam and John Daniel? All of this is way beyond my comprehension. Makes me wonder if God somehow forgot to give courage to my father and realized this after the fact and gave me double the dose of it to compensate for that loss...ha ha!!!
Jokes apart, so while everybody is waiting with battered breath to find out what John Daniel's final decision about allowing this marriage to take place in LEF center, I thought I will write about this here so that there won't be any more foul play as there is every possibility for Gnanam to say that John Daniel did not approve this even without taking the issue to him.
My readers might ask as to why Gnanam would lie like this. Here is why:
This whole marriage seems to be some kind of an unofficial deal that Gnanam and his wife are doing in collusion with Gnana Prakasham and his wife who are LEF evangelists in Salem.
Here are some questions:
1. Who gave power to Gnanam to separate unmarried girls from their parents and send them to Salem?
2. What power did Gnana Prakasham have to accept this girl? (Apparently she is not the only one girl who went from Hyderabad. Gnanam sent few other girls to Salem)
3. Is this some kind of protocol that Gnanam and Gnana Prakasham devised to start controlling girls' marriages after isolating them from their families?
4. If some thing goes wrong with these girls during their stay in Salem, is LEF as an organization liable for this or is it an under hand deal that can never be traced back to LEF?
5. Gnanam has power to move an unmarried girl away from parents. He also has power to fix the marriage of the girl without consulting the parents but he doesn't have power to allow the marriage to be solemnized in LEF prayer hall. In what capacity is Gnanam exercising this kind of power over people? Is it not in the capacity of LEF evangelist which is his official tittle in LEF ?
6. If Gnanam the LEF evangelist fixed the marriage and if Gnana Prakasham another LEF evangelist is solemnizing the marriage of not any random girl but of the girl who was working for a LEF school with the boy who is also from LEF, then what is the reason for this marriage not to take place in LEF prayer hall?
7. What else is required of this family and particularly of this girl (who not only left her parents but also a high paying job) for her to be married in a LEF prayer hall or LEF church as they are referred to?
8. If LEF prayer halls are not available for marriages of people who tithe in LEF, who work for LEF schools and also who marry according to LEF rule books (nobody in the family including the girl has seen the groom so far whom this girl is scheduled to marry on May 3rd) of doing God's will (which is equivalent to blindly believing these LEF evangelists), then for whose benefit is this LEF running?
9. John Daniel should recall that he was married in LEF HQ in Chennai. Not only the solemnizing the marriage, but also the reception which followed the wedding also took place in LEF property. Are all these LEF properties reserved for the sole use of Daniel clan and the selected few?
As always, about things that have anything to do with LEF, there are more perplexing questions than answers!!!
Are all LEF marriages done like this? Hope someone can write about this.
ReplyDeleteGnanakalanjiam should be told by people in Hyderabad LEF that his wickedness will not be tolerated .He must be pulled by his collar and thrown out of hyderabad.
DeleteLEF is a family splitting Organization.They use marriages as an opportunity to divide families.Thats the reason many people leave LEF before marriages and marry outside.
DeleteLEF Schools are money making organizations.Well qualified girls are asked to serve LEF Schools for a few years in order to be married to a good groom from the LEF.During their service they get paid peanuts and of those peanuts they are expected to give tithes.Now isnt that smart tactic followed by LEF.
DeleteTithe is 10% , but what about offerings (20%) + freewill offerings (5%) + offerings in Sunday / services (another 10%) all for Gods work, No No, for Old grandma Lily to fly , for Betty akka (sister) to eat choicest lobsters (with latest fat husband), for John anna (brother) family to fly, for other poor rich kids to study, No accounts, We will give God the account, He He, so pay us, million is not enough, we are humble simple people, who dislike mnoney.... ok enjoy.
DeleteRemember even in the Lazarus story Jesus said, the rich man used his own money to enjoy, but this Daniel tribe steals, robs and pickpockets from men and especially women Lazaruses to enjoy and at the same time pretend that they are, oh so simple,godly, goodly people. Definitely they will wake up in triple hell.
A very Godly man Exactly what LEF need to hear. It is amazing how Gid had revealed to him how churches fall from what God wants to do with them
ReplyDeletehttp://youtu.be/G7QZ6bSgopw
dear WB, whether this girl is following this website or not? please ensure that she should go through it to wakeup her conscience. also encourage her to come out of this death web.
ReplyDeleteJesus did His first miracle in a wedding. Gnanaprakasam and his wife did not attend his own elder daughter’s wedding although she married a boy from LEF. The parents claimed she did not have God’s will. It is very sad that such people are leaders and an official marriage registrar of a church. They portray a very wrong image of God. God is not a cold or cruel or mean person. Exodus 34:6,7 says that He is “merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin”. These people remind me of the Pharisees whom Jesus condemned in Matthew 23:23 “You give a tenth of your mint, dill, and cummin, but have neglected the more important matters of the Law: justice, mercy, and faithfulness.”
ReplyDeleteLEF does not allow its members except a few elite to get married in their buildings. I don’t know why people are so blind and accept this.
Dear suniemiApril 25, 2016 2:24 AM,
DeleteGnanaprakasam and his wife did not attend his own elder daughter’s wedding although she married a boy from LEF. The parents claimed she did not have God’s will
In this case I do know a bit more of all sides, I do support the parents. (if my precious daughter is hunted just because and only due to her qualifications and accomplishments, I also will feel the same as the parents).
Mr.Gnanaprakasam is a marriage registrar authorized to register marriages in about 5 states in India.There is no need to tarnish his name or the Salem School in this controversy.Tomorrow if anyone from your family gets married in LEF you will need the service of Mr.Gnanaprakasam.
DeleteHi Suniemi
DeleteWe miss your blog posts.Please start blogging again.Can we get to read your new blog posts this week.There is no need to discuss the marriage registrars Gnanaprakasam daughter's wedding in this forum.In every family there are and will be differences and hurts.There is no need to blow it big .As a good friend of the family we are praying that they soon reconcile their differences .
I don't think the intent of Suniemi was to tarnish Gnanaprakasham. He was just stating facts. Yes, I agree there differences in all families but the problem here is that some of these differences originate some where else. If the family is left alone to sort out their differences, then the whole world will not be watching this unfolding of the drama. In a sensible church, the elders of the church will help bridge the gaps that occur in families unlike what happens in LEF. In LEF, the LEF leadership actively works to create gaps in the family. We are taught to forgive our enemies, isn't it? Even if there is any kind of mistake on part of the girl, aren't parents supposed to forgive and move on. This would not only help with healing of the wounds but also not put individuals in a situation where people see these inconsistencies.
DeleteAnonymousApril 26, 2016 10:15 AM,
DeleteYour comment almost sounds like some kind of warning. Is there dearth of marriage registrars in the Christian world? Being able to solemnize a marriage should be seen as a "privilege" by the one who has that license and not as having some kind of "power" over people.
By the way, I just heard from the family that Mr. Gnanaprakasham is not solemnizing the wedding for whatever reason. So, now the family had to find some Methodist pastor to solemnize the wedding. There is not a dull moment for people who are stuck in LEF. There are always surprises (rather shocks at every juncture) to have the adrenaline racing!!!
My intention was to show the abnormal behaviour of people in LEF. As a parent, I aim to teach my young children Godly values but once they are adults it will be their responsibility to apply those values to their lives and marriages. As long as my child wants to marry a responsible Christian person, I hope I will agree and be part of their marriage and the new family. The parents in question had many years to impart Godly values to their child, directly and via the church. If after all that, the child chooses a different path, parents need to respect decisions of their child if it was not criminal or immoral. What if some other family influences the child? If your child is not mature enough and does not trust you enough to get your opinion can we blame others? The bigger problem is that Indian parents are over possessive and are unable to let go. As Christians, we need to understand that God is ultimately the Father and give up control of our families to Him. But in LEF control of people is very prevalent. If I was still in LEF, I would have applauded the parents for sticking to their values and ditching the child. After leaving LEF, I understand that God is more interested in mercy and love and now this incident looks so preposterous & un-Christian to me; hence my strong condemnation.
DeleteI am no longer in LEF and do not need their services for marriages. I hope nobody remains in LEF just for marriage.
Dear Anonymous April 26, 2016 10:22 AM, sorry I have not blogged for a while. I just posted a new one on Sunday suniemi.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/god-is-not-a-genie/ If you read it, you will get a clue as to why I have not blogged for a while.
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ReplyDeleteHere are some questions:
1. Who gave power to Gnanam to separate unmarried girls from their parents and send them to Salem?
Gnanam knew very well that to get married you must work in the LEF schools. The girl’s parents wanted to get the girl married, you can question, why she didn’t work in Hyderabad, earn and get married, then comes the question, “Who will pay money to the groom (dowry as in Indian English)” so the parents gave Gnanam the power, knowingly.
This is the new developing disease symptom in the LEF, the girls are made unwelcome in their own families and are felt as a burden. Ok still now as far as I know girl children are not selectively aborted in the womb, but a general feeling of having a burden as a girl has started, It goes like this, To marry a girl you need money, need connections, and then you need to take care of girl through two pregnancies. With a boy all these would be taken care by the girl’s family. The LEF crows from the roof tops that it prevents payment of money to the groom (dowry as in Indian English) but in nearly every marriage I know, the girl’s family only spent for the marriage ceremony, and also bought all creature comforts like a fridge, a bed, a cot and utensils. The mighty first family knows about all this.
2. What power did Gnana Prakasham have to accept this girl? (Apparently she is not the only one girl who went from Hyderabad. Gnanam sent few other girls to Salem)
Gnana Prakasham is being asked to do the impossible, he has no budget but must run a school on next to nothing, so he will be obviously glad to get a lady teacher who works for peanuts, The LEF is a slave trading organization, and slaves are always welcome, why should Gnana Prakasham refuse,
3. Is this some kind of protocol that Gnanam and Gnana Prakasham devised to start controlling girls' marriages after isolating them from their families?
The poor girl would have been told in a rough manner, please pray for your future, God has shown to us a good boy. The poor girl will know that he will get at best one or maybe after 10 years another chance, she also would be aged (definitely nearing or crossed 30 years) so she would be expected and in many cases say “If you are convinced so am I”, without asking too many questions. So G Kalanchi and G Prakasam will coolly say, the girl agreed, made to agree is the correct term.
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ReplyDelete4. If something goes wrong with these girls during their stay in Salem, is LEF as an organization liable for this or is it an under hand deal that can never be traced back to LEF?
All workers are volunteers (as also in Sathya Sai Baba Ashram) no one has a ID card nor a record of name and address, so if anything goes wrong with these girls it is due to lack of prayer and faith and holiness on their part, never on Joshua Daniel Baba / John Daniel Baba / Lily Daniel Babaamma
5. Gnanam has power to move an unmarried girl away from parents. He also has power to fix the marriage of the girl without consulting the parents but he doesn't have power to allow the marriage to be solemnized in LEF prayer hall. In what capacity is Gnanam exercising this kind of power over people? Is it not in the capacity of LEF evangelist which is his official tittle in LEF?
Gnanam has power to move an unmarried girl away from parents, (The parents do and did know that she was going to salem)
He also has power to fix the marriage of the girl without consulting the parents
This is the arrogance of a country buffoon, who has been given power by the dear people of Hyderabad, For him the parents are nothing and nobodies, Ganams are the supreme beings (Aham Brahmasmi: (Sanskrit: अहं ब्रह्मास्मि aham brahmāsmi) "I am Brahman" I am Spirit Soul, I am Brahma the creator in Indian Scripture). As a parent when I am living how happy will I be if someone does this to me, ? ), G_kalanchi and G Prakasam will you like this to happen to you. If you do like this same will happen to you (and surprisingly it has happened also),
OK one question to the parents, “Did once in your life have/had you taken your girl to a small / big hotel/ restaurant and bought for a coffee/tea /juice/ food and told her that you love(d) her and value her”. Always you were worried about your soul / somebody perishing but not about your daughter, when the shepherd sleeps the wolves sneak in, some with an ill-fitting sheep’s clothing.
but he doesn't have power to allow the marriage to be solemnized in LEF prayer hall.
Who are G Kalanchi and G Prakasam , they are watchmen (as in the words of John Joshua Daniel Baba, this definition was approved by Joshua Daniel Baba also), what influence will watchmen have in a family business. Nothing, you have described the LEF accurately. It is a company of watchmen, who can strut in their centers but as soon as they seen the first family, they must fall down and lick their hands. Do you think these two watchmen will dare ask babas for a prayer hall? Ha Ha, you must see them tremble and wet their pants before John Baba
In what capacity is Gnanam exercising this kind of power over people? Is it not in the capacity of LEF evangelist which is his official tittle in LEF ?
There are no official titles in the LEF, all are brother robbers, anybody can be dismissed any time by the big family.
6. If Gnanam the LEF evangelist fixed the marriage and if Gnana Prakasham another LEF evangelist is solemnizing the marriage of not any random girl but of the girl who was working for a LEF school with the boy who is also from LEF, then what is the reason for this marriage not to take place in LEF prayer hall?
Only the Daniel Tribe members can hope to marry in the LEF halls, the ordinary and the poor are not wanted but their money is wanted.
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ReplyDelete7. What else is required of this family and particularly of this girl (who not only left her parents but also a high paying job) for her to be married in a LEF prayer hall or LEF church as they are referred to?
She must immediately get 2 children in 2 years, carry all the children to all retreats, family meetings, revival meetings, give 30 – 80 % of combined earnings, smile all the time, cook for the evangelists, and just shut up her mouth, she can also give her jewels and support the ministry (Daniel family)
8. If LEF prayer halls are not available for marriages of people who tithe in LEF, who work for LEF schools and also who marry according to LEF rule books (nobody in the family including the girl has seen the groom so far whom this girl is scheduled to marry on May 3rd) of doing God's will (which is equivalent to blindly believing these LEF evangelists), then for whose benefit is this LEF running?
See if your precious girl will see the groom first time and fall madly in love with him what is it to you. I have heard of marriages where the groom was between 8-90, and the girl between 5-55, In Marco Pols time a princess was sent to marry the Kublai Khan, and as Kublai Khan had died, married his son. Now I see such marriages. I suggest that both the groom and the bride must be veiled and should never see each other. I am remembered of an old story, after marriage, the husband laughed and told, I dye my hair, I am seventy, the wife laughed and said, I remove my wig, I am eighty, both laughed so that the false teeth flew out from both their mouths. LEF marriages would soon be like this
The LEF has always been, and will be forever run for the benefit for and only for the Daniel Family (more correctly for a branch in the Daniel family, let me explain. “ Callu baby / his mother can’t claim any special spiritual benefits, even though they are Grandson/Daughter-in-law of Mr.Daniel”. Huldah can never claim an inch; Betty can claim 50%. Why, among the Daniels, the spirituality ran only through and due to Joshua Daniel. If “ Callu baby / his mother” accept this and boot lick the John Daniel family, they will be allowed to enjoy in Bangalore, but if they refuse they would be thrown out like Kamala & Whitson Paul. If a grandson can appropriate all spiritual blessing, should not the daughter of Mr.Daniel get something, No nothing.
9. John Daniel should recall that he was married in LEF HQ in Chennai. Not only the solemnizing the marriage, but also the reception which followed the wedding also took place in LEF property. Are all these LEF properties reserved for the sole use of Daniel clan and the selected few?
Please understand and think, the LEF is a family business, only for one family, accept this and you will have peace
As always, about things that have anything to do with LEF, there are more perplexing questions than answers!!!
All perplexing questions will end at your death, so cheer up (no one will answer them in this life)
Will Ganaakalanji and his wife do this to their beloved daughter, Dont think that such things wont happen to you, they will, But anyway why bother about another daughter (talk is enough)
It looks like WB post are bringing justice and there is police enquiry on LD and JD. LD is running around all over begging for mercy. Jezebel spirit will never repent except manipulate. WB God is on your side. God is using you big.
ReplyDeleteLD can say "I know nothing, God is giving, giving,giving, I am spending, spending, spending, but even before I buy a button I ask God, till now He has never refused anything to me, I dont use the money for me, only for my children. I dont ask anybody for money and so I spend as I please, I wont give any money to any evangelists, because they must learn to live by faith, but then dont ask me about my faith. Here is Rupees 2 million for you, please leave me". (One friendly reminder to the police officers, lawyers and others to whom LD will act, The LEF is rich and very rich, so ask in 10-20 million rupees for your help, not smaller amounts)
DeleteThere is a team working with them. There is proof some work with LD to coverup their murder. Same style what LD followed even worst. Will be killed if this person cmes out. But certainly will be useful when needed. Dont let these criminals escape.
ReplyDeleteInterfering in the marriages of people and controlling people through matrimony's rule is the root cause of most problem in LEF.JD was the chief matchmaker. It was ok. But it was not ok when he started casting out from LEF those who don't follow his matrimonial rule among evangelists families of LEF. He oppressed and offended the best people.N Kite those who remain in LEF are mostly his and his son's slaves.. Not the slaves of righteousness ( Romans 6).. No true freedom of the Spirit in LEF.. Only bondages.. Through legalism and hypocrisy. May God save the innocent people who are so exploited by crooks even today in LEF.
ReplyDeleteAnon. 27 April 3.02am
DeleteNo good expecting God to save people who refuse to obey Him by separating themselves from evil, turning their backs on LEF, and seeking a biblically-run fellowship in which to worship.
I see a lot of complaining here, but very few testimonies from people sharing with us how they left this pernicious organisation, the Laymen's Evangelical Fellowship.
Rather then simply enjoying this freedom to comment, readers should demonstrate the strength and honesty of their convictions with action.
I did it. Suniemi and the Whistleblowers, the bloggers, did it, and told us that they did. So should you, their readers.
God said, 'Choose this day whom you will serve'. Will you serve him or the apostate Daniel family and their henchmen? Every evangelist who has not turned his back on LEF and the Daniels, and directed his flock away from them, is one of these henchmen.
Here is proof that the lef is legalistic. The children's retreat is held in the h.q. by mrs.jeba for 3days. They are taught the law-the10 commandments, vanity, pride etc... (9.a.m - 4p.m).
ReplyDeleteSurprised to know that Mrs.Jeba Rajaguru is conducting Children's retreat.She must be 60 years old or older.There was a time when LEF had a great team of Children's Retreat preachers .We had Bro.Willy Ebenezer(Dharmaraj) and family ,Bro.Jesudas,Dr.Rajendran & Fly ,Mr &Mrs.Rajaguru and few more dedicated people who used to passionately minister to children.In one way it is good for children although sometimes the preachers go overboard to explain adultery in fine detail.But kids of these days know everything before they are 10 years of age.
DeleteThe children'retreat inthe h.q. starts from 28th. These children will not hear that God is good. God cares for them, he will keep them and preserve them. These children will only carry home an image in their minds of an angry God. This is how lef children are groomed. Why should small, innocent children be taught -thou slat not commit adultery? (For 1hour).mrs jeba always likes to elaborate on this at length. This is definitely legalistic teaching. They haveform og godliness but deny the powe thereof.the law has greater power than Jesus! ???
ReplyDeleteIn another center The VBS (Vacation Bible School) is a nice time for mum, sons and d-i-ls and grand children to have a nice vacation, with an all expense paid relaxing trip. Even refreshments will have to be bought by congregation. Those who give money and wag their tales will be asked to take classes. The children suffer, but who cares? The same old junk is supplied year after year, will LD and JJD bother, no, only money matters
DeleteAnon. 27 April 8.42pm
DeleteGod's law in its entirety should be made known to everyone, including children.
However if it is not made known in the context of God's grace, then it offers them no hope.
If the law is properly taught, even a little child will understand that nobody will never be able to keep it to God's satisfaction.
If the teaching of God's law is not accompanied by an explanation of the fact that Jesus died to take the punishment for all our disobedience, past, present, and future, upon Himself, then the children will depart with the idea that they are on a treadmill of despair; that they must spend their adult lives striving to keep laws (probably Daniel laws, not God's law) which they can never wholly keep, never enjoying 'the peace of God that passes understanding', never understanding that they can be saved forever from the punitive consequences of their disobedience by simply trusting in the sacrifice of Jesus, and never, ever lose that salvation.
This kind of fruitless treadmill activity, and the despair it eventually brings, characterises LEF people. Their 'leaders' can give them no hope of a firm salvation because they themselves do not experience this. One of their now more prominent 'leaders', who preaches at May and other retreats, told me that he believes that it is possible to lose one's salvation; in other words, that Christ's substitutionary atonement on the cross was not enough, was deficient, could not cover his sin. What blasphemy! No wonder so many of these 'leaders' are corrupt! They have no real hope of eternal life, of spiritual safety, so they reckon that they might as well make the most of their power and material opportunities in this life, and they do.
Lily Daniel, who is nearing the end of her own life, would do well to ask herself of what use is her husband's power, reputation, and wealth to him now. She must repent and trust in Jesus without further delay, and help John, Betty, and Lydia to do the same (these three, at least, of her five now middle-aged offspring have shown by their public words and actions that they still do not understand the Gospel).
It is sad that this Mrs. Jeba, seemingly a spiritually blind woman, is being allowed to leading little children into darkness.
The children are never taught that God loves them, and that they should love God. The words of Jesus on the Sermon on the mount or his great statement " Love the Lord and your neighbor is never taught". Very old senile women, teach the children total nonsense, no picture, no story no video, just sit on the ground and listen on and on. Never a assessment will be done to find out what and whether the children have learnt anything (which as is known is nothing). The old funny ladies will never make space for younger people (till they are wheeled out in a stretcher or in a box), it is a show which the children have to endure.
ReplyDeleteDear wb,
ReplyDeleteI have questions for you(all- parents, sons and daughters who are out of Lefi at the moment). You are brought up and blessed by the fellowship ministry. Many years you have enjoyed all its resources and facilities. Your parents are given privileges to serve God in ministry. You, children, are also given privileges to serve god without any doubt.
1. Didn't your parents teach you faithfulness in fellowship?
2. Didn't your parents find a suitable guy to get married in fellowship? Or are you afraid of getting married to a poor guy with whom you get a status problem, money problem and all other problems?
You wanted that everything must come in hand quickly like readymade garments and get married in fellowship. you don't know how to enrich a guy's life before marriage nor support him emotionally. What can you do after marriage and do the same for others in ministry? You are proud of your successful life style in the world. No need to humble yourselves. What did you learn in fellowship? I think just behaving like Rowdies.
You are also doing the same as heathen. Don't tell me that what you are doing right now is all correct. Didn't the bible teach you about Slandering, backbiting and gossip? Gossip steals someone's reputation. Any way I am very happy that you didn't seek me, a poor guy to marry lest you spoil my life and make it a hell on earth.
3. After being blessed by prayers of many godly people, you sought your own and are married out of fellowship.
What example have you set before us?
4. If your parents are unable teach you how to be faithful to an organization, what can they teach others and do ministry in fellowship?
5. If your parents or you are not blessed and supported by the lef Ministry or by the godly people before, what were you or where were you at the moment?
6. If you are coming to fellowship regularly, make yourself known by name and raise a finger on fellowship directly. Now you are out of fellowship and don't have any right to point out. If I am your husband, I would say"stop all nonsense and mind your business" . If I am in your place or out of fellowship, I will forget the evil they have done to me and enjoy my life in the world. Because I don't like to waste my time like you. For the world is offering me so much to live as I like.
7. I have also problems in fellowship. But I didn't make godly people public just as you have done so far. Jehovah Jireh. I am giving you my email id. Prof.anilcse@gmail.com and you can contact me at any time. Don't make unnecessary propaganda on web and spoil my life. For there are many Anil s in lef. It's not good for you if you sow evil in someone's life and want to reap good in your life. It will never happen. Oneday my words will make you recall all. Anyway,
Just think before going to bed. Is my heart clean before God? Are my hands stained with blood? May god have mercy on you.
May be I will reply:
DeleteQuestion:
Many years you have enjoyed all its resources and facilities. Your parents are given privileges to serve God in ministry. You, children, are also given privileges to serve god without any doubt.
1. Didn't your parents teach you faithfulness in fellowship?
Answer: We were not lazy beggars like some of you were to live off LEF and its resources. In fact, we funded LEF with our time, money and resources.
2. Didn't your parents find a suitable guy to get married in fellowship? Or are you afraid of getting married to a poor guy with whom you get a status problem, money problem and all other problems?
You wanted that everything must come in hand quickly like readymade garments and get married in fellowship. you don't know how to enrich a guy's life before marriage nor support him emotionally. What can you do after marriage and do the same for others in ministry? You are proud of your successful life style in the world. No need to humble yourselves. What did you learn in fellowship? I think just behaving like Rowdies.
You are also doing the same as heathen. Don't tell me that what you are doing right now is all correct. Didn't the bible teach you about Slandering, backbiting and gossip? Gossip steals someone's reputation. Any way I am very happy that you didn't seek me, a poor guy to marry lest you spoil my life and make it a hell on earth.
Answer: No,I was not fool enough to be trapped by LEF and its marriage scheme. It is beggars such as you who want to live off the hard work of a woman so that your life can be "enriched and supported" whom I detested with a passion. LEF is too full of lazy men like you who cannot go out and earn a dime but eat when the woman goes out and makes money to support the family. Shame on you for acknowledging here that you are beggar. I pity your wife if you are married. If you are not married, be honest and tell the woman that you expect her to support you and enrich you.
Also, gossip is what people speak behind others back which I am not doing. People know who I am. The entire Daniel clan knows who I am. I have revealed my identity long ago. Like I have told you earlier, please spend some money (may be you can't as you just said you were too poor) and see if you can file a defamation case on me on behalf of LEF. Can you do that?
3. After being blessed by prayers of many godly people, you sought your own and are married out of fellowship.
What example have you set before us?
Answer: Don't recite like parrot some of this LEF nonsense of "example" "blessed by prayers by people." It is God who blesses or curses and he doesn't do it at the recommendation of fools such as you who claim to pray in LEF.
4. If your parents are unable teach you how to be faithful to an organization, what can they teach others and do ministry in fellowship?
Answer: This one you got right. That's exactly what I asked Joshua Daniel, Lily Daniel and John Daniel. You also go and ask them once as to why they are keeping whistle blower's father as an evangelist of Nalgonda. Feel free to ask my father as to why he is being an evangelist of a center if his daughter is not faithful to the organization. Let us see if you have the guts to do that.
5. If your parents or you are not blessed and supported by the lef Ministry or by the godly people before, what were you or where were you at the moment?
Answer: Fool Anil, neither LEF nor its ministry supported my family. My father retired as a Superintendent Engineer. We supported LEF and not the other way around. If my father did not get stuck in this miry clay LEF, we would've been even better off than what we are today.
6. If you are coming to fellowship regularly, make yourself known by name and raise a finger on fellowship directly. Now you are out of fellowship and don't have any right to point out. If I am your husband, I would say"stop all nonsense and mind your business" . If I am in your place or out of fellowship, I will forget the evil they have done to me and enjoy my life in the world. Because I don't like to waste my time like you. For the world is offering me so much to live as I like.
Delete7. I have also problems in fellowship. But I didn't make godly people public just as you have done so far. Jehovah Jireh. I am giving you my email id. Prof.anilcse@gmail.com and you can contact me at any time. Don't make unnecessary propaganda on web and spoil my life. For there are many Anil s in lef. It's not good for you if you sow evil in someone's life and want to reap good in your life. It will never happen. Oneday my words will make you recall all. Anyway,
Just think before going to bed. Is my heart clean before God? Are my hands stained with blood? May god have mercy on you.
Answer: You are not in my place and I never cared for fools like you in my entire life. I am not interested in knowing what you would've done if you are in my place. For this life, a coward like you cannot aspire to be as bold as I am to make the evil of LEF public. I don't understand your hang up with "thinking before going to bed." Not only before going to bed, every time I think about what I am doing, I know that I am doing the right thing and fools and cowards like not being able to handle this are the ones who have "sleepless nights." Your email address is not of any significant use to me. I would never in my right sense would have a conversation with someone who is as stupid as you are. Unfortunately, I am running a blog and I am forced to acknowledge your stupidity and answer you. Every time you commented on this blog, people shut your mouth. You stay quiet for a while and come back again only to be chased back again like a mad dog. Don't worry about God having mercy on me. It is between me and God and has nothing to do with what you and LEF rogues wish God does to me.
Anil: I had difficulty in understanding the purpose of your latest blog. You seem to be saying that nobody must make the Daniels and LEF accountable, because if they do, people will understand how unbiblical and corrupt LEF now is, and will leave. However if LEF is truly a church, then surely 'the gates of hell will not prevail against it', and it has no need of your ill-founded defence? If it is not, then the whistleblowers are doing you and other LEF-controlled folk a service which should not be suppressed, however imperfectly you may feel they are doing it. Their efforts should be sending you scurrying back to search the Bible objectively to see what the Lord tells us about how to organise and govern our church fellowships. You seem to be admitting that LEF and the Daniels cannot stand up to scrutiny using biblical principles, and in that you are right. I wonder why you cannot understand that everything you write confirms the cultish nature of LEF? For example:
DeleteYou reaffirm that people are not free to marry as the Lord may lead them individually, but only according to the dictates of the Daniels and their henchmen.
You speak about 'being faithful to an organisation', as if LEF were some kind of 'business' which requires loyalty from its employees in order to ensure that it makes a profit for its shareholders. In this you are correct. LEF is a business, and the Daniels and their henchmen are its shareholders. You seem to forget what Jesus said and did about the moneychangers in the temple.
You write as if the only place where Christian believers can legitimately worship and thrive is within the narrow and largely unbiblical confines of LEF. THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST TELLING SIGNS OF A CULT! Nowhere in the New Testament are believers instructed to limit themselves in this way. They were free to worship with any and every true believer anywhere.
You attack a whistleblower personally, rather than addressing the problem of LEF in terms of what the Bible says about how the Body of Christ should function (please read the pastoral epistles). In doing so, you provoked that WB (who works very hard in these endeavours, for no financial or material gain, unlike the Daniels, who crave power and personal benefit from theirs) to respond in kind. Is that not 'stumbling' someone who may be 'one of these little ones' of whom Jesus spoke? If you feel you are so 'spiritually mature', by comparison, would it not be better if a 'millstone were hung around (your) neck'?
You are afraid that the close examination of LEF taking place here will damage or even destroy LEF ('Don't make unnecessary propaganda on web and spoil my life'), and that you and others who prefer organisational crutches to spiritual integrity will be cast adrift both spiritually and physically without LEF to lean on. You are not interested in truth and genuine godliness, but only in browbeating people with random, out of context Bible verses about 'slandering' and 'clean hearts'. That is exactly what cults do - they attack individuals with their moralising and with calls to obedience to the leadership and dictates of the cult, but fail to obey the teaching of Jesus and the Holy Spirit-guided writers of the Bible about the need to discern false preachers, false teachers, false prophets, and the wolves in sheep's clothing who generally devour the flock.
Please re-read you latest post, and ask yourself how much of it is devoted to praising, defending, and advocating 'THE Fellowship' (LEF, not even simply 'a fellowship'!) and how little is concerned with a consideration of the Word of God in these matters.
If you continue to serve a cult, your email address will be of no use to you or anyone else when you meet the Lord face to face and have to explain to Him why you tried to 'shut the mouths' of those whom He has sent (whoever they may be) to rescue His people from the destructive influences and confines of false religion as illustrated in the LEF.
The children are fed with an endless list of do's and dont''s producing a crop of Pharisee who depend on their religious piety to win God'favour, more than on God to control them.Jesus replaced legalism by love-love God, love your neighbour.love is the fulfillment of the law.this is something lef goers do not understand. Therefore they do not exhibit Christian virtues -compassion, charity, fidelity ..... They are trained Pharisees.
ReplyDeleteAnil. you know what? You are shameless like the JD family and most of theLEF perverted leaders. If you have had any shame you would not be back here. I have read your senseless & stupid comments earlier. So I did not even care to read what you have written this time in detail, because obviously only stink comes out of garbage.
ReplyDeleteFirstly - dose any one know this retard personally. I don't know him. I even wonder if he's a real person.
I don't want to see any more comments from yu. Hope you will understand if you are sane.
Why are you even following this blog. You are an unwelcome guest. Cant Insult you more.
How much ever you try to cry and say any thing - you pappu will not get cooked here.
Fabulous one from whistleblower and also i think all the confusion would have gone from Anil, Bro.Anil please ask God to show you who is doing right, one perfect example is, THE DANIEL FAMILY CAN'T EVEN LOVE THEIR OWN UNCLE (COUSIN- UNCLE WHITSON PAUL AND KAMALA AUNT) THEN HOW WILL THEY LOVE THE PEOPLE OF FELLOWSHIP, CAN'T YOU THINK ABOUT IT? WHERE IS UNCLE WHITSON PAUL AN KAMALA AUNT, DO YOU KNOW THE CONDITION OF THEM, THEY WERE NEGLECTED BY THEIR OWN FAMILY RELATIVES, THE SO CALLED GREAT JOSHUA DANIEL, JOHN DANIEL AND LILY DANIEL AND SO ON. PLEASE THINK AND REACT BEFORE DOING SOMETHING
ReplyDeleteDear WB, Please inform the present condition of Whitson Paul and Kamala Aunt? Can anyone explain about the evangelist working in Salem? WITH ALL OPPOSE FROM DANIEL'S FAMILY NOT TO SUPPORT WHITSON UNCLE AND KAMALA AUNT, THEN HOW THEY ARE LEFT BY DANIEL'S FAMILY IN SALEM? DID JOHN DANIEL AND LILY DANIEL CAME TO MEET UNCLE AND AUNT ONCE TO SALEM? THEN WHAT KIND OF LOVE THEY HAVE, THEN WHAT WILL THEY TEACH TO OTHERS ABOUT LOVE? PLEASE EXPLAIN ME SO THAT ALL PEOPLE IN LEF INCLUDING ANIL ALSO WILL COME TO KNOW
ReplyDeleteHOW FAR THE WORK IN BG IS GOING ON FOR THIS BIG FESTIVAL (MAY RETREAT)?
ReplyDeletebetty posted this in face book today.
ReplyDeleteTo the persecuted church of India,
Please call the center leader of Hyderabad and tell him that he cannot ask a girl teacher in Salem to ask God's will for marriage and the husband is anonymous. She has not even met the guy, and has no idea what his name is. That is Pharisee trickery. Cultish. No where in the Bible does that happen.
Neither should the parents of the bride rent the hall for the wedding without even knowing who the bridegroom is.
THIS IS WRONG. STOP DOING THIS. THIS IS A TRICK ARRANGED MARRIAGE.
Crooked and perverse Pharisees will hate me for saying this. They will even want to kill me, as I have been threatened before.
But this is DEAD wrong.
Please share this post to the appropriate people. The true church of Jesus needs to learn to fight back. Part of the Chrisian's duty is to pray. But WATCH and pray. Stand up for the truth.
This is something that is not Biblical that is on our Wittemberg door of this church. Do not persecute parents and children into this kind of marriage.
This is a 911 issue! If people have to hide information, there is something wrong.
Find me a Bible story where this was allowed. And I will shut up.
Christians in this church should not be afraid of reading and sharing this. Please even copy and paste if you are afraid of getting in trouble if you like or comment.
Bible says marriage is honorable in all. And the bed undefiled.
Honorable. There is nothing honorable about anonymous brides and bridegrooms, and nameless people dressing up for marriage. It's what cults do.
We have one dead wife in one church in India whose husband killed her and quickly buried her after giving the bride's parents a bribe to shut up about it. Reason for death of wife: starvation and domestic violence and extreme harrassment. None of this is Christian.
What s new now? Even jd did the same thing What was betty doing then?
DeleteThe idea of Betty ('eldest child of Joshua', as she loves to term herself)Daniel / Liz Van Camp / ex-wife of Brian / ex-wife of Chris / current wife of 'Chuck' instructing anyone on the subject of Christian marriage is ludicrous.
ReplyDeleteWhy does Betty not name what she means by 'the persecuted church of India'?
Is it because:
1. Like her family, she thinks that LEF is the ONLY 'church' in India? That no other group is worth mentioning?
2. She knows that her late father, Joshua Daniel, and those he encouraged, is 100% responsible for the cultish marriage practices that she now criticises? Even silly Betty must realise that she cannot on the one hand 'glorify' Joshua Daniel in several of her dubious TV broadcasts, whilst decrying the consequences of his wrong actions in public on her Facebook page. Maybe she thinks that she has blocked from her FB account all those who might spot such hypocritical contradiction......
3. Is Betty/Liz hoping that she will be able to field for herself the support of those LEF people who have been enlightened by Suniemi and WB about the hypocrisy and dark deeds of the Daniels? Is she hoping that she can turn the tables on her mother Lily, brother John, and sister Lydia? That instead of leaving LEF (as they should) these naïve followers will instead turn to Betty and make her their 'LEF Queen' (forgetting that she was herself ejected not long ago)?
There is nothing in the Bible about having three husbands alive simultaneously, Betty? Which one of your 'marriage beds' was 'honourable' and 'undefiled'? Do your think that galloping into this situation, like a Lady Galahad, with your dramatic and hypocritical condemnation will make us forget your behaviour? Find us a Bible story where a woman is allowed three living husbands and we will 'shut up'!
Betty Daniel loves high drama, doesn't she?
ReplyDeleteAccording to Betty/Liz 'this is a 911 issue', and Betty's/Liz's life will be in danger for posting this weird piece of confused rhetoric....
Please, Betty, in future confine your thespian efforts to Miami Village church and its more gullible and receptive attendees.
Washingtons. Do you recognize this style
ReplyDeleteTell me about cheating in LEF. This guy I am trapoed lied about his education. Told me after marriage I have nothing to do with my parents. But even his brothers try to run my life.abused my parents fir dowry but want to act lije they dont care about dowry. Threatened to beat up my parents. Thank God , he sent angels to save me from these monsters. But this family acts very holy infron of everybody.
ReplyDeleteInput -- output. What goes into your mind is what comes out as actions. The taliban teaches the old testament laws of moses. The jews today follow the law strictly.the hindus disallow love marriages. They strictly adhere to arranges marriages. The lef are also like the othrr religions more interested in following the letter of the law, not the spirit of the law. What is sown in our minds is what we exhibit in our lives and actions. Refer st. Paul as he speaks about the law versus grace.
ReplyDeleteNo, The Taliban does not. Sharia Law is different.
DeleteThe very thing started by her dad and her mom in the first family... They should have corrected firstly in the family.. They should have known how wrong it is earlier.. After spoiling many families for decades through their mechanistic methods of marital arrangements as though it is God's will and after eventually finding that must cases end up either unhappy or divorced .. At last someone from the first family speaks up... Better late than never..
ReplyDeletepersecuted church of India
ReplyDeleteis lead by the mum and brother of this lady, why cant she write to them
Heard that the couple is now married inpite of wb's exposure. Now how are they faring?
DeleteMarriage in LEF is either murder or suicide.
DeletePersecuters run LEF woukd have been more honest.
ReplyDeleteHello Bro/Sis in Christ,
ReplyDeleteI don't understand or agree with everything pointed out here against Mr. Gnanaprakasam uncle. Let me tell you am not anonymous, my name is Mahendiran who lived in Salem and native of Salem still my close family lives there but we live in US now and I know Gnanaprakasam uncle more than 20+ years from my teen age. I studied in a welfare hostel close to Salem LEF centre, but brothers from LEF came taught us Bible study and came to know my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. I came from non christian family, we as a family thankful to Brothers and Sisters in Salem centre. I got saved in Salem LEF ministries and God blessed us even I never dreamed of both spritually and material perspective. Uncle Gnanaprakasam and aunty advised and provided counselling till i moved here years before, let me tell you, they may not perfect but they are very good Godly children of God.
We christian walk by faith and not by sight, you may not understand everything today BUT one day you WILL. If you want to talk to me, i can give you my number,001-408-394-7004, my mail ID is mahendiran_99@yahoo.com. I tell you, there is no LEF centre here but the advise and what we practiced with uncle Gnanaprakasam and Aunty guidance is till useful today, for sure the generations to come.
In Christ,
Mahendiran
Wow. Obviously you sound someone who loves the LORD. It is encouraging to hear from you Godly words instead of condemnation and curse from the pulpits of LEF
DeleteMr. Mahendrian,
DeleteThanks for your comment. I appreciate your input. It is people like Gnanaprakasam who managed to sell the idea of LEF to people as a better alternative to mainstream churches. Look at the muck that we see in LEF today and people like Gnanaprakasam have no reason to be associated with a group like this when he himself is an eye witness to so much wrong doing in LEF. Personal integrity is one thing and having the integrity to fight evil of the leaders they once looked up to is a totally a different thing. There are many people like Mr. Gnanaprkasham who carefully tip toe around Daniels and try to stay away from controversies and try to do the right thing in their limited and restricted roles. I wonder how these people calm their conscience for not fighting evil. Gnanaprakasham and his wife are taking care of Kamala Paul and Whitson Paul. Did they ever once ask Lily Daniel or John Daniel why these old people were thrown out of HQ? I know that Lily Daniel made a trip to Salem in March. Did they ask her at least then as to why Kamala Paul and Whitson Paul are humiliated like this? How can an honest person bow to down to an evil person? Didn't Gnanaprkasham fight his corrupt bosses at his place of work and teach people in LEF that they should never bow down to evil people? Then why this cowardice? My family truly appreciates that he and his wife took good care of my niece during her stay in Salem (even though she went there to the dismay of all the family members). In fact, both GP and his wife came a day ahead of the wedding and took care to spend time with my niece and all the extended family the day before the wedding. I am grateful to them for their kind gesture. I am sure it meant a lot to my niece and her parents to see GPs take the time to get acquainted with the family. By the same note, I am also saddened to see that they did not want to ruffle the feathers of Gnanakalanjiam and ask him as to why this marriage could not be solemnized in LEF prayer hall. It is gross injustice that Gnanam played a foul game to arm twist my niece to agree to this marriage by working around the parents and the family. THE END NEVER JUSTIFIES THE MEANS. But Mahe, please note that I appreciate your input and it proves to me over and over again that in spite of all their professed Godliness, there are many people in LEF who do not have the moral strength to fight the evil perpetrated by the Daniel family members who are in the power structure.
Very well described. We all know Bro.Gnanaprakasam & Wife are very Godly and they sacrificed their entire life for God's work. However, I am not fully convinced with them with the recent happenings.. They blindly followed Daniel family that caused them too much of health issues now. They are now undergoing/experiencing health issue due to the fact that their daughter's wedding happened outside their will. It sounds very sad that he has conducted many weddings but his own daughter's wedding he refused to attend. Even after the wedding the couple from America tried to speak to parents in India but no use. whom to blame? Parents or Children? Why Parents are so stubborn? She has not married to a Heathen boy.. then what is the reason to be so stubborn?? The one and only reason could be from any of these Caste/Position/Power. But no one will accept it.. Now, His sister from Erode has been asked to move from Erode to Salem. The high officials say that Erode center needs a young leader.. then how about other centers where old evangelists are placed..? If Erode family comes to Sales then where does Bro. Gnanaprakasam move. ? Who will take care of WP and KP then?
DeleteDear Evangelist, please take care of your family and children. They are the heavenly gifts. Don’t lose them just because of your ego/self. If you follow Daniel family, then ask yourself How come JD loved Betty even though she did so many things against her dad’s desire. End of the day children are children.. I will strongly say that if our children go out of our way then it is our mistake. We have not done good things for our children and we all the time focused outside. Just think twice.. and choose the right one from the brackets given.. (children) or (ego/caste/money/power/self)… I will leave it to your heart… on your last day on this earth.. imagine who will follow you to the graveyard.. I truly respect Bro.Gnanaprakasam as I have seen him how loyal he is and the work that he is doing in Salem and neighboring places.
Hello LEF Whistleblower,
DeleteThank you for posting my previous comment. Glad to hear that your niece marriage went well, best wishes to newly married couple and more fun starts after marriage, is it not? thats is my poor joke.
I understand your point on "why these old people were thrown out of HQ?". On the other lighter part, Salem, especially where our centre is located is much better than HQ, Chennai and needless to say people of Salem is great. Joking...
As you might agree with me, I cant speak for anyone. Forgive my ignorance on whats going on in LEF as am away for long time geographically. However, thought about your questions and here are my opinion,
1. Knowing Mr. Gnanaprakasham uncle, I would say he might not be passive about issues that you have mentioned, thats my speculation. In another note, and main point is, making Jesus Christ known to unknown people with such tolerance is priceless to me since lots of family like ours are blessed any way. God is in control and He is Sovereign.
2. On your comment on "there are many people in LEF who do not have the moral strength to fight the evil perpetrated by the Daniel family members who are in the power structure". Personally I don't know much about Daniel family, however very short time I had chance to spent time in Bangalore, when Marcus took in charge, personally I liked the way he moved on. No complaints. In fact, he introduced the book "Amazing Grace" to us written by Chuck Swindoll and we have gone thru it in our Sunday class, excellent walk thru. The reason am mentioning is , this book is against legalistic teaching and it was excellent study. I should say that there were times I got disturbed when misguided on the subject like sabath, marriage, doing Gods will...etc. BUT, God helped me, I thank God for that. I agree with you, many in LEF without understanding following the leaders blindly. But your blog proves that many in LEF wanted to ask, understand it better on the decisions made, there is nothing wrong to make our leaders responsible. Thats good and personally I believe thats common sense Christian walk. Recently am going thru Autobiography of George Muller, and the level of details he recorded regarding the money and decisions that he made are excellent. If George Muller could record that level of details in 1830's, yes our church can do it much better with all the tools that we have today.
3. God is in control, and He allows both good and bad to grow till harvest. I might be wrong but the point that I miss in your blogs is, Hope of a Christian. Yes I would agree, things are going bad for whatever reason, but there is a hope in the Christian walk. As you know, Joseph reply to his brothers, is so encouraging to me, "As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good..."I hope none of us have gone thru the evil as like Joseph did but he had such great attitude and I prefer that.
I find your argument not so convincing that God is allowing evil in LEF. I don't know how far back you have gone to read what has been posted on this blog. Are you trying to tell me that God has allowed unmarried women in LEF to be pimped out as prostitutes by none other than LEF leaders? Did God allow the person who was appointed as LEF Finance Head to have an illicit relationship with a married woman of 2 children? Why make God an accomplice to these crimes that are committed in His name? On one hand you say that God allows all this and on the other hand you say that I am not presenting you with a message of hope. What hope do you think a Christian or for that matter any human being has God in his sovereignty allows bad to grow along with good. Why worry about fighting our evil nature if God is the one allowing it? I understand that you have devotion for LEF leaders such as Gnanaprakasham but that devotion cannot be misleading you to preach to me that God allows both good and bad when I am trying relentlessly to expose these criminals and the enormous evil done in LEF in the name of God.
DeleteThe Bible tells us that God is long-suffering towards mankind. The fact that he does not immediately act in judgement does not mean that he encourages or approves of wickedness. If immediate punishment always took place, none of us would be alive! We, however, have a duty to fight against evil, whether our own, or evil perpetrated by others. Jesus and his apostles made it especially clear that evil within groups claiming to be Christian, and in those who claim to lead them, should be quickly dealt with.
DeleteYes, God does allow evil to continue for a while, but for his own purposes. Mostly we can only guess, and probably wrongly, what those purposes are, since our reason is affected by our own sinful natures. If I were to try to guess, I might say that he has allowed latent sin amongst LEF leaders to become blatant sin because LEF is, and probably always has been, an allegedly Christian group which does not base itself wholly on scriptural principles, and is not willing to obey all that the Bible teaches. Therefore it is not a church, and a Christian needs to be part of a true church where he/she can freely grow in grace and understanding. So LEF, having had over 80 years of grace in which to reform, now needs to go. Those who began and continued with this entity known as LEF have persistently refused to accept God's instructions about the formation and local governance of local Christian churches. They allowed the cult of personality to develop instead. They refused to surrender the power they had over their followers. They effectively made idols of themselves and others. They allowed themselves to be essentially worshipped by those whom they were meant to be nurturing into becoming strong, independent fellowships. Since they refused to obey God in this important matter, God gradually withdrew from them and allowed them to go astray in many other matters, such as marriage and material possessions. Equally those whom they set themselves up to 'lead' consciously allowed themselves to be led astray, not fighting corruption where they found it, not being willing for selfish reasons to cut loose in order to separate themselves from evil. These foolish 'sheep' found a kind of dubious security in LEF, and in order to hang on to that they have been willing to close their eyes to wickedness and pay attention to the calculated lies and Biblical misrepresentations of false leaders who advise them that they 'must not criticise God's anointed' (when even the most basic student of theology knows that only Jesus is God's Anointed One, and that to term oneself or anyone else as 'God's anointed' is to blaspheme).
God makes it quite clear that 'we reap what we sow'. That is how we learn. It seems that God has allowed the wickedness in LEF to come to the surface and flourish for a season so that LEF followers may have an extended opportunity of acknowledging that it exists and of turning their backs on LEF; perhaps also to give people like the remaining Daniels and their henchmen a litttle more time in which to repent and in true humbleness of mind to 'seek the Lord where he may be found', instead of constantly promoting a god made in their own image.
Mahe: you are wrong to try to use God's sovereignty in allowing evil for a season for his own purposes as an excuse for dissuading people from exposing the false teachings and evil deeds now rampant within LEF. By shielding LEF hirelings from valid criticism and exposure you make yourself liable before God for the spiritual damage being done to many vulnerable people, both young and old.
Whistleblowers: you are right to do whatever you can to make these LEF wolves in sheep's clothing publicly accountable. God does not immediately punish evil, it is true, but our rejection of evil, especially when it is committed in the name of God, must be immediate and definite.
Theory exam for lef --100percent, practical exam--0 percent. Lef preaches perfection. Unfortunately fails.
ReplyDeleteTheory 100!!!!!!!! After hearintg. Ruth sat at the feet of Jesus. They dont know what God say in Bible. They use Bible for gain. Theory 0
DeleteMy heartfelt appreciation to WB for posting Mr.Mahendiran's comment today... it reveals the Christ attitude. In the process of WB tried bringing out the negative aspect of Mr.Gnanakalanchium, I am surprised when I see this post today, I could not stop appreciating WB's attitude.
ReplyDeleteYes WB is noble. Its funny Washingtons who claim powerful in LEF and threatened many to enslve using their fake power now after watching LD's decline say who is she (lD) to tell us. Tell me about loyalty. Not sure they understan God is watching and knows the heart. They use LEF only for power. It is honorable to be like WB
ReplyDeleteNow In LEF, Marriages are done When Both are Ready to do Ministry After The Marriage or Gets an Call For Ministry, Then The Marriage Should Be Arranged At LEF Church.
ReplyDeleteWhile other churches teach people to love Jesus, lef teaches people to love their list of rules.after all Christianity is all about a loving relationship with Jesus and with others.
ReplyDeleteIt this Gnanakalanjiam the marriage broker of the LEF. I have a problem he is getting a girl whom I know into his web. what is the best action to take on this
ReplyDeleteIt is very easy to tackle this fellow Gnanakalanjiam. All you need is take some 4-5 people with you and bang on his door. Don't take any LEF guys as these LEF guys are all brainwashed. Gnanam is a big coward and all it takes is a slap or two. He was very close to getting slapped in our case but he backed off and did what we wanted him to do and much more. We in fact confronted him about running his mouth about our father and he got scared that he will get busted and got my niece out of LEF school where he sent her and arranged for her marriage with a decent guy. You have to confront these rogues and that's the only way they back off
ReplyDeleteIt is 2017 and LEF is still on it s mission to decieve
ReplyDeleteI know of umpteen stories where the LEF leaders have conducted un-equally yolked marriages (girl 40 years, studied masters, hindu convert but boy 30 years, has passed 10th born and been in LEF), and sat back with a grin to see how that would work (always blaming the girl for not adjusting, for talking back, for admonishing her to "submit" to the man (her husband). It is all an experimentation. They wouldn't ever do this to their own children - that shows how twisted the mindset is. Bangalore center has been wallowing in doom since the day Francis Daniel passed away. I was too young then to know how he administered. There is now lot of clearly visible politics, groupism, patriarchy, revenge, and money grabbing. Don't know what else happening here. May God help us to move from "emotionally" driven religion towards the truth. LEF has become like quicksand it absorbs in people and they lose their normal thinking capacity and go deeper and deeper into the mire - no way out. All that is asked not to do the children of the LEF leaders do.
Do not marry outside LEF (daughter fell in love and married while studying)
Do not build houses for yourselves our life on earth is like of a pilgrim (leader has a villa in the most high society township)
Do not dress up and adorn yourselves (both the daughter and the daughter in law of the leader are always in western clothes packed with powder from head to toe)
Some other advice:
Women should not work, their place is at home
Any tragedy at home (the blame is that you have disobeyed God somewhere, therefore repent) I know of a girl whose father was visiting the groom-to-be, (very reluctantly on center leader's advice to get his daughter married to this guy) when the father met with an accident and died. Leader only said "this is what happens when people rebel and do not want to obey church leaders"
Best advice: lick the important people s asses and you can sing, preach, marry, dress, give 'testimonies', and do whatever you really want to do in the church!!!