This letter that is written to the top police officers of Tamil Nadu and also to many other top government offices such as the Office of Chief Minister etc., will help the readers understand that these barbaric monsters of LEF will not even hesitate to take away the lives of people to cover up their crimes. To cover the sins of IC, LD and JJD are resorting to all kinds of nefarious activities. If the government officials do not intervene, we might see sexual abuse victims and crucial witnesses being murdered in order to cover up the crimes. We, the whistle blowers have been writing to many government officials to get their attention to the abuse happening in LEF. If anyone of you are in a position to help, please try to help in anyway you can.
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I would like to ask these questions to Caleb Daniel who is the nephew of Late.Bro.Joshua Daniel,Lily Daniel and grandson of Late N.Daniel.
ReplyDeleteWhy did you attend the Birthday party .Did you represent LEF .Would you attend a similar birthday party in your family and freak out feasting on the food when the baby and mother are missing.
Finally I am shocked that you have stooped to this level of teaming up with people whose sole aim was to humiliate and threaten Mr & Mrs.Gideon.
Where are your values Caleb.You are a person held in high regard by young people in LEF.You must disassociate yourself from these controversies ,else you are bringing discredit to your grandparents and to your late father (Bro.Francis Daniel).
LEF has all along divided families .
ReplyDeleteThey have turned daughters against parents (Mid 60's Hepzibah Group orchestrated by KP ).
On marriages under the pretence of doing God's will they split many families.
After marriages the wives were not encouraged to live a normal life with their husbands.Women were encouraged to carry tales about their husbands,in laws to the pastors wife and this would be illustrations in the Sunday Worship messages.
I wasted my childhood and teenage phase of my life in this dirty den threatened,abused by LEF.I have never had a peaceful day during the first 20 years of my life.There was quarell between my parents on following LEF Standards.We wasted 3 evenings in a week listening to useless messages in LEF [Wednesday,Saturday and Sunday].We lost sundays spending the whole day in LEF center running errands to evangelists .
LEF is a joke which has gone too far.I hope LEF followers and friends realize and give them the boot.
If the couple are not willing to tell the juicy news to these people the inchargers will get news from sisters in law and mothers in law and bring fear in the hearts of the couple.
DeleteDear Mrs.Grace Gideon,Bro.Gideon ,
ReplyDeleteWe do know that the elders (Gideon Garu ,Amma Garu (Grace Gideon) quit well paying jobs in Andhra Pradesh Government to help in LEF at Nalgonda (Telangana).God gave you your dear daughter and son after more than 10 years of marriage.We were aware of the struggles you had in the last 5 years.
We pray for peace and Godly guidance in this controversy .The Lord who gave you these 2 precious children will surely restore relationships soon.Joel 2:25-26
Although i am not as strong as you are in Christian living i have the faith to tell you that my Jesus will bless your children and their offspring. Psalm 100:5 For the LORD is good; his steadfast love endures forever, and his faithfulness to all generations.
Romans 15:13 May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that by
the power of the Holy Spirit you may abound in hope.
We love you and we will continue to pray for you.
There is an old proverb "Tell me your friend.I will tell you who you are"."
ReplyDeleteIC was the best friend of Daniel Family from mid 90s.Maybe the Daniel Family learnt a lot of good qualities from IC.
The Daniel Family are now paying for their sins.Look at WP & KP.We all know of the much married Lizard Vampire who's is set to outsmart Elizabeth Taylor.You can see that the Masinagudi madam (LMD)is another comedy product of JD .She is a non entity in the US.JJD is a useless joker.
LD must mind her business and shut up.She should be the last person to interfere in people's lives and marriages as her daughters have been big failures.The older daughter is freaking out with her third husband and the younger one was said to be involved in a few relationships.John Raja is a useless fellow doing petty jobs to the rogue family to get a few coins as reward.
ReplyDeleteIS THERE ANYONE TO HELP THEM, THEY ARE REALLY GOOD PEOPLE, I KNOW THEM PERSONALLY, PEOPLE FILED MANY CASES ON THEM AND SENT THEM OUT OF FELLOWSHIP, DEAR WHISTLE BLOWER KINDLY TAKE ENOUGH ACTION TO SAVE SISTER AND LITTLE BABY FROM THE DANGERS, WHAT SHALL WE DO WITH THIS PEOPLE, PLEASE POST IT IN FACEBOOK, PEOPLE MAY GET AWARE OF FELLOWSHIP, POST IT IN LEF PAGE SO THAT MANY WILL KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING IN FELLOWSHIP, GOD WILL TAKE CARE OF THEM, GOD'S WRATH IS REALLY GOING TO COME UPON THEM IF IT IS TRUE, BE CAREFUL WHILE POSTINGS THESE NEWS.
ReplyDeleteDEAR WHISTLE BLOWER PLEASE TAKE ENOUGH ACTION ON THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE AGAINST TO THIS GIDEON UNCLE FAMILY, SO MANY OFFICERS ARE THERE IN OUR FELLOWSHIP, PLEASE TELL THE PROBLEM TO THEM, EVEN IN NALGONDA THERE ARE OUR FELLOWSHIP OFFICERS ARE THERE, PLEASE TAKE EBNOUGH STEP TO SAVE SISTER AND 1 YEAR OLD BABY
MOREOVER PLEASE PRAY FOR THE MISSING SISTER AND BABY, GOD WILL DO MIRACLE IN THEIR LIVES, I WAS HEARING THIS NEWS FOR PAST 3-4 YEARS, GOD ALONE CAN INTERFERE IN THIS MATTER AND HELP OUR DEAR UNCLE'S FAMILY, HE PRAYED FOR ME A LOT, HE ENCOURAGED AND SUPPORTED ME, NOW IT IS OUR TURN TO SUPPORT THEM IN PRAYER, PLEASE PRAY FOR THEM CONTINUOUSLY, GOD WILL DO MIRACLE, OUR GOD IS A PRAYER ANSWERING GOD, HE WILL HELP US TO SEE VICTORY AND DELIVERANCE IN THIS MATTER
EVEN IN TAMILNADU THERE ARE SO MANY POLICE OFFICERS ARE THERE TO HELP US, PLEASE INFORM EVERYTHING TO THE POLICE WHICH IS HAPPENING IN LEF, PLEASE TAKE SOME ACTION ON THESE CRUEL PEOPLE, HOPE SO GOD WILL MAKE A WAY
Yes not many 95% of lef people do not know about this blog. But most of the youngsters are on facebook. So post in facebook and inform people what is happening
DeletePlease please some one provide a link to all these controversies in the Wikipedia referring to lef and jd who is wrongly proclaimed as a saint in lef circles. I am not able to do it ......not that
ReplyDeleteBrother/Sister who posted the comment at 6:38AM
DeleteThis website is frequently visited by most of the people who have doubts on LEF.They do not run a magazine.They dont have a office.They are nowhere close to comparison with that organization in terms of wealth or clout .But most of the IT Literate folks in LEF visit this site at least once in two days to be updated of the happenings.This site is more powerful than their wikipedia or their website.
It would be good if more people update their negative experiences with this organization .
some foolish people are comparing jjd with the older JD . Like his accent , his english, his laugh and imagining JD is actually incarnated in his son. and sheepishly grinning at one another telling" oh we do not miss JD , he is here as JJD heheh"
DeleteMight be the Andhra people who imagined I guess..!! As they come to retreats only for seeing them how they look like.. not for spiritual growth now a days..!!
DeleteI tried to use my logical reasoning to do an analysis of the problem mentioned in the letter.I have discussed this issue with many veterans in LEF.
ReplyDeleteDifferences between the Gideon Family and JD started soon after their daughter(the missing lady's) marriage.JD started doubting the credibility of the Bro.Gideon.He wondered how they could spend money on Jewels and the wedding feast.Mrs.Gideon was from a well to do family and JD was shocked over an evangelist being blessed with wealth (inherited) .Their Son John Caleb wore good clothes,had a smart phone and his lifestyle was very different from other bible college students.His parents provided for his financial needs and so he was seen eating out and not in the Bible College Mess.This made JD think that Gideons were setting apart some Offering money for their use .Standard LEF Rivalry made other evangelists and crooks add spice to a masala story "Corruption at Nalgonda LEF".
Thus the stage was set for confrontation with Gideons.They were transferred to a place far from Nalgonda.The elderly Bro.Gideon obeyed orders but after careful analysis left LEF.
His son a smart guy tried to outwit the Goonda Family (adage given by late JDs son James)and partially succeeded in this mission. At one point the son was caught ,JJD threatened him ,forcefully took his mobile and other electronic gadgets.LD wants to torture the Gideon family to instill fear in the LEF evangelists (Andhra & Telangana).
I can definitely see the hand of LD in this family problem.She is from a dysfunctional family ,a family which has a history of mental illness.Her dad and mom where not a happy couple.LD doesnt have any ethics or values.She is not even a good mother.Look at LD's daughters who are embarrassments to LD.
Lesson for Evangelists:If you who have been cornered or feel insecure in LEF under the present leadership,plan your exit carefully.Please take your family into confidence and carefully chart your way out.LEF is a sinking ship.It is not a Titanic .It is a dingy boat with no oars,no food .You have a captain JJD yelling and screaming at you to get more money.
yes JD all ways had an eye on the gold bangles when he is served on the table. he used to coo that all gold of LD is given to gods work, but magically the gold chain on her neck or ear studs would never leave her person.. wonderful gimmicks
DeleteCan Bro.Jayakumar confirm that there is huge compliant being prepared for IC also? Does he have guts to do? The whole fellowship is in darkness. What kind of preaching does this man deliver in gumidipoondi village? This is the evident that is why this centre is completely ruined. Why should he go and attend the bday event? I would rather call C SI people are far better. As a reward his house (jayakumar) in bg is revamped by JJD. I really dont know what the hell is happenings. One thing is sure, we are living in the last days.
ReplyDeletewhat do u mean by revamped / what happened.. give the details plz
DeleteI had forgotten the mental illness connection with Lily Daniel's family. Sad as this is, it may help to explain Betty Daniel's delusional thinking and hyperactive behaviour patterns, which seem to have been going on at least since her teenage years. Is there any occurrence of bi-polar disorder in Lily's family?
ReplyDeleteBetty, Can you raise up and give your voice for this missing woman? We need your elephant support!! Where is your VOICE? Will you support woman only when her husband’s family is against you for good reason? Where is your human rights statement? Are you keeping quite because these families are from AP? Come on Betty don't be a chicken. Do something to the people who are completely dead by your Dad & Mother's intervention. Don't you value these precious people? Will you raise your support only if someone sends you private message to your email and you don't validate the truth of it? You better admit your condition. We all know you are following this blog and we all very well know that you can't type even one single letter against all these valid points. You do not have guts to defend because these accusation are absolute. We are not dump anymore to follow LEF and your family. Will you server only when thousands of people die in natural disaster? Are these 2 missing are not humans? Tell us when do you intervene things, so that we all wait for such issues and ask you to intervene. Looks so horrible and funny. There is no life in LEF preaching.
ReplyDeleteBetty your dad and grandparents sowed weeds and you guys are paying for their sins.LEF was never a church.It was always a family organization.There were thousands of people who were enamoured by the rhetoric of your parents and grandparents and followed them.You have deceived 3 or 4 generations of people in the past 80 years.
DeleteCan you show me a since daniel family member (your cousins) who have built a fortune by working hard .You people have inherited not just money.You have inherited tonnes of curses too.Repent.Stop preaching ,Gird sackcloth and sit in the pews.Enough of cheating people in the name of Jesus.
Dear LEF Evangelists
ReplyDeleteWill you please Provide Sermon illustrations about the provocative birthday party and the presence of Caleb Daniel and other LEF Leaders in the party.You LEF Evangelists and leaders do not preach the bible but speak about people .Come preach about Masinagudi land deal,the lady who married thrice and other scandals.
This action of the LEF old priest and his young and upcoming associate in preaching to an empty crib (about church history) should be enacted as Christmas play in the LEF centers
DeleteShare on you people.
ReplyDeleteI appeal to all LEF Friends and Followers to read 2 Corinthians 11:verses to to 13 .Do not be deceived ...If you read these verses with a balanced mind you would know that you are being taken for a ride.
ReplyDelete3 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.
5 I do not think I am in the least inferior to those “super-apostles.”[a]
6 I may indeed be untrained as a speaker, but I do have knowledge. We have made this perfectly clear to you in every way.
7 Was it a sin for me to lower myself in order to elevate you by preaching the gospel of God to you free of charge?
8 I robbed other churches by receiving support from them so as to serve you.
9 And when I was with you and needed something, I was not a burden to anyone, for the brothers who came from Macedonia supplied what I needed. I have kept myself from being a burden to you in any way, and will continue to do so.
10 As surely as the truth of Christ is in me, nobody in the regions of Achaia will stop this boasting of mine.
11 Why? Because I do not love you? God knows I do!
12 And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about.
13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ.
14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
Came to know that the preacher who preached there preached Church History in a Birthday celebration. LEF preachers call themselves as evangelist but they cannot evangelize but can preach some story or something which they know, they repeat in every meeting. What is being taught in Bible college? Is any thing taught about outreach ministry, serve poor people, Show love to those who need love? Or Grow Brinjals , Maize and ladys finger in Garden and sell them in the market?
ReplyDeleteWell people came to enjoy the Cakes and the Briyani.Telugu speaking people are known to be great hosts providing guests with tasty food.Message was just time pass.
DeleteThe elderly chief guest who spoke about church history in the missing boy birthday seems very offended that his name appeared on this blog in a bad light. Apparently his influential lawyer son is going to take whistle blowers to task. How perverted and twisted are these people? This elderly man who came as a chief guest for the birthday party where the mother and child were missing did not think of using the help of his influential lawyer son to trace the missing people but is now threatening the whistle blowers to take them to task for speaking the truth as it is. No wonder LEF is so rotten as men such as these who have no compassion what so ever were and are at helm of affairs in LEF for a very long time.
DeleteThe lawyer’s brother told people that his father signed blank cheques for LEF as the “Director” of LEF and that he was concerned that his dad will be arrested. That is surely more defamatory than the content of this blog!
Deletethe old man gobbled sleeping pills (thinking they were for asthma-breathing troubles), was kept in a Intensive care unit of a hospital under breathing support. Let him be thankful that he is alive and shut up his great mouth and relax with grand child
DeleteThe whistleblower shouldnt feel intimidated over this threat.You have presented the complaint on the blog.The issue is between the complainant and the defendant (the senior guests son).
ReplyDeletePlease ignore the threat .Recently the Government of India Act.
Deletehttp://internetdemocracy.in/laws/section-69a-and-the-blocking-rules/
http://time.com/3755743/india-law-free-speech-section-66a-struck-down/
Thank you for you encouragement and support. We have been bullied a lot. JJD went as far as making some cop friend of his give some whistle blowers give us a "warning" call in the US. Too bad that JJD who threatened to sue the suspected whistle blowers did not find a competent lawyer eve after we dared him to pull the whistle blowers to court. All he and his senile mom do is wimp and whine like puppies and blabber whatever known occurs to their peanut brains
DeleteJJD is not a prince or a King.He is an ordinary human being .If he cannot take criticisms ,negative comments and starts threatening thru a lawyer he is crazy.Whistleblowers have always existed in the church and in the secular world.Whistleblowers can also be called Ombudsman.
DeleteJJD doesnt know the law of the land.JJD should know that there is a person called Ole Anthony in the US http://trinityfi.org/ who has been a whistleblower exposing dubious christian Organizations .He has been active in the past 30 years.I wonder how LEF did not get into his scanner.We should report LEF to Trinity Foundation.
Their address is
Trinity Foundation Inc.
5640 Columbia Ave., Dallas Texas, 75214.
Phone: (214) 827-2625
Fax: (214) 827-7938
E-mail: trinity@trinityfi.org
None of LEF's churches and Schools have enforced the Visakha Guidelines a set of Procedural Guidelines for use in India for cases of sexual harassment.
DeleteJJD,LD,John King and other self styled leaders and family servants please can you read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vishaka_Guidelines
LEF can be sued under indian laws for defying the Vishaka Guidelines.Had they followed incidents like the one at Gumidipoondi school would not have happened.
We expect LEF to follow the law of the land and enforce Vishaka Guidelines .For more details
http://www.mondaq.com/india/x/238076/Discrimination+Disability+Sexual+Harassment/Indias+New+Labour+Law+Prevention+Of+Sexual+Harassment+At+The+Workplace
We live in a democracy with freedom of speech and expression. I think Whistleblowers need not tolerate the bullying. Please report it to police. Any unlawful warning or threatening should be resisted. Let the daniel clan follow the law of the land before they preach the heavenly law!
DeleteWhy did he file a case against LEF when the senior priest was forced to move out from his position as treasurer? If you can't sustain the comments then there is something serious problem in person. It is always good to correct ourselves from comments or at least we should try to avoid to get such comments. This is a free world and we all have rights to pass or share any comments in order to awaken the poor people.
ReplyDeleteAny news about the missing woman and the baby? Are they safe? Please update
ReplyDeleteGideon's family suspects that the mother and the child were taken away to Coimbatore. Incidentally, we hear that IC was in Coimbatore. So, we can only connect the dots to find out who is behind the disappearance of the mother and the baby. Are victims being kept away from police investigation? Is this IC's desperate move to hide the witnesses? Is IC afraid that if Gideon's daughter opens her mouth, all the skeletons will come out? Is IC on the run to save his skin? Is LD orchestrating all this knowing that if IC sinks, she and her dear son and daughter will sink? We also need to know if the eye doctor and his wife from Coimbatore have any role to play in this disappearance of mother and child on the first birthday of the baby. We might recollect from the earlier blog posts that the eye doctor from Coimbatore himself has a dark history of sexually abusing women and some minor girls. So, there is more to this muck than what meets the eye.
DeleteThe Eye doctor may not be involved because he is not capable of handling difficult cases of this sort.People in Coimbatore LEF know this doctor well (everything) and so will not share their family woes to him.They are careful to keep him out of contentious family problems.Yes it is true he was involved in some controversies and these were covered up by LD & JD because he is the husband of LD's cousin.
Deletei heard jjd speaking lovingly about eye doc on the stage.. so the bondage... is there.
DeleteLEF was a profitable business selling their version of Jesus with all bells and whistles .This business started in 1935 became a very profitable enterprise in the 80s and 90's.The advent of the millennium saw a gradual decline in the organizations fortunes because people started realizing that is a phony organization .JD started compromising on values which he strictly enforced for the slaves in his organization.People saw how JD and LD illtreated JD's sister and brother in law and lost respect for him.Now that he is dead the organization is very much like JD in Vijaya Hospital .Every person associated with the organization know that it is a cult and disagree with some or all their practices but continue their association because it has become a socializing place.The messages in LEF have no substance,people do not have good testimonies.As always the organization is busy poaching christians from mainline churches.
ReplyDeleteLEF under the leadership of JJD is mayhem.Chaos and confusion everywhere.Today is the 12th of August .The LEF website TV Program Section which is supposed to have the list of channels and the program timings has the video content.
ReplyDeleteAll these recorded video messages were given by late JD.There is no message from JJD who is better known as PHD.
Shockingly they have uploaded the messages which are to be telecast till 13th Sept 2015.The general practice followed all over the world is to present TV content that is past the date in archives and the forthcoming programs are never presented.You can provide a sneak preview .
Are these people crazy or ignorant ?.
http://lefi.org/tv.html
no, they are cheaters
Deletethere is something wrong here or we dont know the whole story. I know Mr. Samraj to be a very good man. He will definitely got involved in anything shady leave alone criminal. Same can be said about Caleb Daniel. I know him to be a guy with integrity and is very prayerful. I know folks here dont like the last name Daniel and Caleb unfortunately is the butt of many jokes and accusations because of his last name. Regarding Mr.Samraj's church history teaching, I believe without that there is chance of lef folks confusing the church with lef and lef with the church and completely forget the decades and generations of heritage the present church is standing on and is a result of.
ReplyDeleteAnonymousAugust 12, 2015 11:05 AM, I don't think anybody here is saying Dr. Samraj is involved in crimial activity. Nor did anybody say that Caleb Daniel was a thug. The simple contention that the family has against people who did what they did in that party is - the lack of sensitivity of these LEF guys to the pain of Mr & Mrs. Gideon and others who were worried about the missing mother and child. Simple common sense should tell you that it was not an occasion to preach leave alone preach about church history or LEF history which some morons in LEF use interchangeably. Giving the benefit of doubt to both the elderly man and Caleb Daniel that they were suddenly found in this situation without being made aware that the mother and child were missing still doesn't justify the fact that they continued with cake cutting, praise meeting (???), eating etc. The way these men acted in the face of this great calamity the family going through at the time shows total lack of compassion and empathy towards fellow human beings who are in despair. They all should've stopped the party and at least prayed for the safe return of the mother and child. The "very prayerful" man Caleb Daniel should've called for everybody there to pray and not did what he did...You might know these people to be noble. It is unfortunate that the way they acted in this party makes them less noble than you know them to be.
DeleteThat's exactly why I am saying we don't know something here. I know Dr.Samraj and Caleb will not go ahead and conduct a party while the parents are desperately searching for a missing daughter and grandchild. It just doesn't sound write and I am totally positive there is more to this story than what meets the eye.
ReplyDeleteDear Blowers, Have you found the mother and baby? What are we doing to help that family, Can anyone know where IC is staying? why cant you file case on them? with the help of gideon uncle, aunty and their son why cant you file a case ?
ReplyDeleteJust realised I said sound write instead of sound right..clearly my brain requires some sleep.
ReplyDeleteMost of you guys do not know about Dr.Samraj.He belongs to the grand league of Dr.Srisundar,Dr.Divakar Parde,Dr.Jayasingh,Dr.Rajendran,Dr.Jayaraj,Dr.Rajendran ,Dr.K.C.Franklyn (the LEF Medical Faternity).These people were also called LEF camp doctors in LEF Retreats .So people used to run to them if they had any medical complication during the retreats and they used to offer free medicines.The only living people living are Dr.Frankin and Dr.Samraj the rest have gone to be with the lord.All these people denied themselves picked up their cross (LEF) and followed LEF.These people could have made a fortune for themselves but LEF was their first and only priority.There are some good committed LEF doctors in the present generation like Dr.Jayanth,Daughter of Bro.Jobdas in Kashmir etc .
ReplyDeleteMrs.Sundara Samraj the wife of Dr.Samraj sold some of her jewels to fund the education expenses of some people in LEF.She has written a book on correct usage of English which is used as a reference guide.
Unfortunately Dr & Mrs.Samraj never received prominence in LEF because they were not politicians.I have never seen him preach any message in LEF Retreats .Also the popularity of Dr.Samraj was an eye sore to the Eye Doctor (husband of LD's cousin) so they were pushed to a corner.
Most of the Christians and Hindus in Coimbatore,and surrounding areas will say about how Dr.Samraj helped them.During the 60's and 70's Late Bro.Pitchai,Bro.Paul Authie and Dr.Samraj trekked to the Nilgri hills braving wild elephants,poisonous snakes and gave the gospel to the tribal people.
We hope the sons of Dr.Samraj would pull him out of the clutches of the deadly stingray/octopus LEF.
AnonymousAugust 13, 2015 1:15 PM
DeleteEvery LEF preacher at some point in his life was a saint and they hide under the cloak of good deeds that they have done 20, 30, 40 years ago to take refuge for all the wrong they do today. Shame on people like Dr. Samraj Samuel who once a upon a time was held in such high regard to stoop down to become a puppet in the hands of JD, LD, JJD and IC. Why? Why do these once virtuous men sell their souls like this? What is this obsession to stand on LEF pulpits to blabber nonsense pretty much for most part. Talking about church history in a birthday party of a missing baby and the mother and talking about abortions in a wedding ceremony show clear signs of senility and diminished mental capacity. These men should rest on their laurels and make a sincere attempt to not do things that spoil their own image. If somebody means well for Dr. Samraj, he or she should seat Dr. Samraj Samuel and make him understand that he is hurting his own image if not anything else by associating himself with these thugs. It is sad that he is now moved from the list of grand leagues such as Dr.Srisundar,Dr.Srisundar,Dr.DivakarParde,Dr.Jayasingh,Dr.Jayaraj,Dr.Rajendran,Dr.K.C.Franklyn, Bro.Pitchai and Bro.Paul Authie into the list of LEF rogues such as IC, John Raja, Daniel Mani, Jayakumar, LD, JJD, LLD and Caleb Daniel etc.The conventional wisdom of the proverb "Tell me who your friend is and I will tell you who you are ..." cannot that easily be replaced...That proverb doesn't say - "Tell me who your FRIENDS WERE but says who your FRIENDS ARE...to help people know the importance of whose company they should keep at the present moment. May be that's why the Bible also alludes to "finishing the race well" rather than focus on the beginning of the race. While we totally understand your loyalty to Dr. Samraj, we can't help but point out that, Dr. Samraj brought this allegation on himself. Nobody construed this against him...
It may be appropriate to remind readers what James Daniel said from the platform at his father's, Joshua Daniel's, memorial service.
DeleteHe related in front of thousands that he had confronted his father, telling him 'You have turned this fellowship into a goonda fellowship', and that he ' would not keep the company' that Joshua Daniel, his father, did.
He also told the assembled 'Joshua Daniel' mourners/worshippers that he had warned his own son 'not to keep the company that your grandfather does'.
Contrary to what his deluded sister Betty has publicly and wrongly posted on Facebook, it appears that James is not taking a job abroad 'to start a church' there, and, unlike Betty, has no aspirations to fame or spiritual 'leadership'. He had no reason to misrepresent his father's character and deeds, especially so publicly and so soon after his death. He should be commended for his courage in speaking out.
If this decent man with no desire to compete with his father or any other family member found it necessary, because of his integrity, to warn so many people so publicly about the state of LEF and his own father's responsibility for this, WHY WILL THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO IDOLISE JOSHUA DANIEL AND SUPPORT HIS GOONDA ORGANISATION NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THE TRUTH AND DISTANCE THEMSELVES FROM THIS EVIL, CULTISH GROUP?
As sad and worrying as it is, the disappearance of this mother and child and the reprehensible behaviour of Samraj, Caleb Daniel and others in the face of it, is only one symptom of much more actual and potential wickedness. Like James, the Gideon family should be commended in having the courage to make it public.
Please remember what happened with such horrors as the Jonestown massacre in Guyana, or the Heaven's Gate deaths in Switzerland. They were all the result of groups which seemed to begin as harmless, dedicated Christian gatherings, but under the influence of false teaching and manipulative leaderships, thousands of naive followers eventually suffered and lost their lives, both adults and children.
The disappearance of this mother and child could well be the tip of such an iceberg.
Anonymous August 14, 2015 1:10 AM said,
Delete“If this decent man (talking about James’ comments at the memorial service of JD) with no desire to compete with his father or any other family member found it necessary, because of his integrity, to warn so many people so publicly about the state of LEF and his own father's responsibility for this, WHY WILL THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO IDOLISE JOSHUA DANIEL AND SUPPORT HIS GOONDA ORGANISATION NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THE TRUTH AND DISTANCE THEMSELVES FROM THIS EVIL, CULTISH GROUP?”
The answer to your question is – because they have a different opinion. And the question to you is – if your own father is one of those with a ‘different opinion,’ why can’t you put this question to your own father first, convince him and then, others? Yes, you use the word ‘cohesive” a lot, but your own actions are not so.
Anonymous August 14, 2015 1:10 AM, I did a word search for "cohesive" that you pointed that the earlier commentator used a "lot. " I did not find that word even once. I just hope my eyes and perception are not clouded so as to see only I want to see and not see what I don't want to see.
DeleteAnonymous August 14 @ 6.15 am
DeleteI am puzzled by your comments. My father died a very long time ago, given that I am myself very heavily retired. Sadly I am in no position to ask him anything! However had he had the opportunity to come into contact with Joshua Daniel and his dubious group, the LEF (which he did not), I doubt that he would have been interested in either. He was no fool.......
As Anonymous @ 6.40am has pointed out to you, I did not use the word 'cohesive' at all, let alone 'a lot'. Where, and in what context, do you think that it was included in my post?
Perhaps you are confused - a state of mind not uncommon with LEF adherents. Please feel free to respond to my post again more comprehensibly, bearing in mind the above.
I would like to point out, however, that a mere 'difference of opinion' is not the answer to my (rhetorical) question. James Daniel's public comments were undoubtedly based on a closer and more intimate knowledge of his father, Joshua Daniel, than most people must have had. In addition, concrete evidence which supports the views he expressed has been set out here and elsewhere many, many times, and by people to whom (like James) it must have been painful to reveal it at last; however the welfare of thousands of betrayed followers of Joshua Daniel seems rightly to have taken priority over any past, misguided loyalties they may have had. These revelations are not mere 'opinion'.
Jesus said 'Come out from among them and be ye separate........ and touch not the unclean thing ; and I will receive you'.
The wife and the baby were missing 4 days before the BDay event and the husband knew it very well. The question here is why he did not call it off knowing that the mother and baby are missing having to known this 4 days ago. The whole darkness of LEF came out to light only through this missing woman. I think there is a serious issue going on here. The missing woman was the cause to expose the dirty SMS and nasty pictures to her family members and it got out to the public. Finally IC and ex HM dirty games came out. Soon there is going to be an another such dirty game is going to be published. It is unfortunate that this time also it is from a woman from the same village. She has started collecting opinion from the members of the center and the in-charge of the center was present in the Bday event. Senior finance man and a low profile lady teaching staff are involved in dirty carnal work. There is a woman who had collected enough evidence to bring this dirt out. LEF is rotten. Caleb is a good chap but he dances to LD & JJD’s tunes. He is an innocent boy all these days but now I don’t know.
ReplyDeleteWho is this great Senior Finance man, is it Mr.Daniel Bell (bell is the English for mani in tamil) or is it a King/ banker, I say, I don't envy you, so much love has hidden in people like you as black tar in a old barrel. I only say don't hide things, openly marry and live together with 3 wives, why the deceit, one wife to earn money and one wife for pleasure and another to clean the house, but stop preaching to others, go to your own village and open a small Dad and Son shop, ( I will share a bible verse for you for finding Gods will in this matter " whatsoever thy plans to do, do so quickly"), why doesn't the LEF take action on such masked saints, it cant as these frauds only give money to LD, JJD etc. I also suggest, all you people can form a Society of Frauds and Greats, I dont judge you , but I just want to know how many more are in line, for such information to come out
DeleteThe Anonymous Commenter August 13,2015 2:15 AM may please send more details of this new scandal between the Finance man and the low profile teaching staff to whistleblower.Or send the details by email copying the whistleblower.
ReplyDeleteDear People LEF Ministry in Gumudipoondi was started by Dr.John Thomas the brother in law of JD some time in the 70's.He was a very nice person who used to pray and people were healed.He would be very sad to hear that the ministry he started is now going haywire.
ReplyDeleteUndoubtedly James Daniel and Joseph Daniel came off as the sane and normal people in the family. Josephs comment that he cherishes the walks with his family more than anything is an indirect jab at his father and others who seem to think running around the place in the name of ministry and ignoring the family is not the way to go. And he is absolutely right about it. James was more direct in his jabs. There is a massive problem with lef evangelists running around leaving their families and on the other hand expecting some kind of perfection from their family members. The blame lies solely on the evangelist who is running around eating bhiryanis and being idolised while shirking the more difficult nitty gritty of running a God given family. The funny thing is that this sort of thing was encouraged by JD and when it suits him also blame the evangelist for not having a "family testimony" . The amazing thing about Lily Daniels self righteous denouncing of Betty for her missteps of naivity is that LD seems to think she bears absolutely no responsibility for that.Someone needs to tell her that she and JD are equally responsible. Anyhow...James and Joseph are at the end the sane folks with a right spirit. Lydia Daniel sounded more like Kim Kardashian in terms of her absolute shallowness. I mean it is incredible.
ReplyDeleteWhat about the sister and baby, Any update about them?
ReplyDeleteDear Mrs.Grace Gideon,Bro.Gideon , please immediately file a Habeas Corpus petition in the AP High Court or in a magistrates court. The LEF goondas (rouges) have no business to play with your daughter and grand sons life. Definitely include the names of LD,LLD, IC, your son-in law, and your daughters mother in law, the great doctor priest who spoke about church history, and the Callu baby, Gunalan, and John Raja as people who definitely had information about your daughter and grandsons disappearance, Highlight the name of JJD as the person without whose knowledge none of these things would have happened. Let the court direct the police station to trace and present your daughter and grandson tot he court. Let the rogues of LEF be called to the police station lockup and let the police interrogate in their own manner. Immediately contact a good criminal Lawyer before your daughter is killed, don't wait this is a serious matter.
ReplyDeleteLD wants IC to comeback as he was the master in transferring Hawala money, so deliberately the inconvenient people are being removed, soon will come the great killing of the fatted calf on the prodigals sons return
ReplyDeleteDon't underestimate Gods great grandson servant Callu, he is the authorized power of attorney holder for JJD and signs on the cheques, so the LEF is safe in his loony hands, without JJD approval he wont even brush his teeth, he definitely was permitted by JJD to attend a Birthday party without the baby. JJD is the author of all the confusion, jail is awaiting him
ReplyDeleteIs it any crime if I share any of these posts in facebook(with reference to indian rules or regulations)..if so please reply.. Also I see nobody is daring to share, as if they are totally in fear of lef people
ReplyDeletePut in Facebook, but as anonymous posting is not allowed, you also know what to do
DeletePlease feel free to share. We have no objection to it all. The more people know about these Goondas the better off we will be.
ReplyDeleteIC, LD, JJD, GUNALAN, John Raja if a Habeas Corpus petition is filed, God help you, the Telugu policemen always hate fraud Tamils like you, Mrs Grace Gideons former co workers are now in DSP, Inspector and SI levels (remember she was a police women earlier), they have attended the missing girls first birthday from her birth, they will rip your bum, and hang you from the fan upside down and you will pay for all your sins you have committed in this life and in this world here itself, like your robber boss JD used to say tremble, tremble, and the information you will sing out will definitely put a lot in the cooler and chiller (jail cell) people who have ben frauds like JD, JJD, John Raja etc, so before all this find and ask the missing girl to go to her house. you have been informed, if it / As it is written in your head to get a severe beating I cant prevent you, enjoy the kicks.
ReplyDeletejust for reference
ReplyDeletehttps://www.imolin.org/pdf/imolin/Role-of-hawala-and-similar-in-ml-tf-1.pdf
thanks for your reference, but all this was mastered by the LEF saints many decades ago,
DeleteA great grand salary or Rs.2000 is paid to the teachers who work in the LEF schools, is it fair wage. Will the great leaders live on a similar sum for a month, The whole LEF is full of leaders without a conscience and without a thinking mind and without a feeling heart
ReplyDeleteDear Brothers and Sisters who are friends of LEF .Please read the bible and do what it says.
ReplyDeleteRomans 14:16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
1 Corinthians 16:3 And when I come, whomsoever you shall approve by your letters, them …
Ephesians 5:15 See then that you walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
1 Thessalonians 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
And Please read 2nd Corinthians chapter 8:verses 20 and 21 preferably in your Bible.
I hope all learn their lessons.
Why are you publishing this waste on blogspot. If you think that lefi is not good, please pray for them(god said "pray for your neighbour's")why are you wasting your time on this blogspots and if you are writing the blogspots nothing will happen because God is watching everything, if any body do wrong things God will see after them but why are you writing all these. We are all Christians, let us pray for those who are lost their ways.Writing all these thing nothing will happen {God Bless Us}
ReplyDeleteIf your wife/daughter/mother/sister are molested by people whom LEF heads appointed as leaders, would you ask the same question to the blog writers? I am given to understand that you are a Godly person based on the lingo you have used. Please pray for the people who are wasting their time writing on the blog spot that they may stop. If nothing is going to happen because "GOD is watching everything, why are you having a heartburn because of this blog spot. Do you have some kind of doubt that God may not protect LEF and that's why you want to roll up your sleeves to do all you can to protect LEF. Good luck with that. Chances are you will be drowned along with LEF rogues.
DeleteAnonymous 20 August 12.36pm
DeleteIf you read your Bible you will see that God requires Christians to be active in cleansing the church of evildoers and false teachers and leaders. This is clear in the epistles, was even very clear in Old Testament times, and Jesus Himself cleansed the temple twice and very publicly as a practical example to us of how necessary this is.
You did not obtain your advice that we should in the end merely be passive 'and pray' from Scripture. Either you do not know the Word of God and its principles sufficiently well to be giving out advice, or you are simply trying to protect the corrupt LEF organisation and the enemies of God who now dominate it.
If you have no positive, helpful, and truly Biblical advice to write here, then it is better if you write nothing at all. What you have written is only helpful in that it demonstrates how deeply you and others have been brainwashed by Joshua Daniel's and the LEF's false teachings.
Anonymous 20 August 12.36am
Delete1. The usefulness of this blog and the ' Understanding the Truth' blog is that many people who were made to feel guilty by Joshua Daniel if they had doubts and concerns about the actions and behaviour of LEFI and his family and henchmen now realise that their worries are shared by thousands, and that they are not being 'sinful' in bringing them to light publicly. Everybody with access to the internet now knows what has been going on. LEF attendances are dropping, and many have stopped financing it. Very soon only those with a vested interest, or who are being bullied by their family, will support it.
Telling people to keep quiet and just 'pray about it' privately because 'God will see to it' is a well known tactic employed by all cults, as is trying to separate believers from their families, persuading people to part with their money but not being accountable for its use, and bullying people into submission to an unelected, tyrannical leadership by psychological, 'spiritual', or even physical means.
If you have been reading these blogs you will know that Joshua Daniel and the LEFI have been operating such principles for decades. Your post indicates that you may even have been helping him!
2. Things are indeed happening, but you have not been made aware of them.
LEF ATTENDERS!!!!!!!
PLEASE CONTINUE TO SHARE YOUR EXPERIENCES OF THIS CORRUPT ORGANISATION HERE. THE 'WHISTLEBLOWERS' HAVE BRAVED ALL SORTS OF EVIL THREATS FROM LEF IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT YOU CAN CONTINUE TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE NO LONGER ALONE AND CAN FREE YOURSELVES FROM DANIEL OPPRESSION. YOU CAN HELP TO 'TURN OVER THE TABLES' OF THESE MONEY-MAKERS AND PHARISEES WHO HAVE BEEN POLLUTING 'GOD'S TEMPLE' FOR SO MANY DECADES.
This particular blog post is in bad taste.Family controversies must be settled within the four walls of the house and if unmanageable it must be a discussion between the families.There are many family problems which seem an Mount Everest and uncurable but time brings in healing.If you the blogger are married you would know this.
ReplyDeleteLEF has played a dirty role in families all along.LEF preachers including the late JD never taught couples and families to live in peace.They knew that once people are at peace living in their comfort zone they will plan and quit LEF.Look at the state of JD's sister and brother in law KP and WP.You can also analyze the life of late PP and her husband MR.PI.Were these families model families .Were they exemplary couples.
I advise all youngsters and teenagers who are part of this organization to choose your partner ,get married and live your life peacefully.Dont trust your LEF parents or your LEF Evangelists.Get out of the ditch and drink clean water.Learn to read the bible .The word of God will guide you.
Thank you for your input. "This particular blog post is in bad taste. Family controversies must be settled within the four walls of the house and if unmanageable it must be a discussion between the families" - Your statement above is thought provoking. In an ideal world, the problem of a household should never leave the four walls of the house. If family controversies are happening because of the teething problems between husband and wife, there is absolutely no reason for these incidents to spill out to the streets. Please understand that we are mature individuals who are very careful about the privacy of the individuals. We are not here to make private lives of people public. That is never our agenda. Posting a letter like this on the blog is the last resort we had to help this family and rescue the mother and child. This is one of the many things we have done to help Mr. Gideon's family to get the much needed help they needed. Mother and child disappeared on Aug 1st. Husband doesn't know where his wife and child are (or at least that's what he claimed). Husband is totally brainwashed by LD, JJD and the stooges and thinks that his wife's disappearance is because his wife’s family has left LEF and turned to the devil and God is punishing them for it. Son-in-law advises his father-in-law to come and fall on the feet of God's children (LD, JJD, LLD, John Raja, Caleb Daniel, Daniel Mani, Samraj Samuel) so that these "servants of God" can pray about this issue.Looking at these logically, these supposed "servants of God" are the perpetrators of the crime. These very people who have schemed and destroyed this family have also managed to trap the son-in-law and took complete control of his thinking faculties. For LEF, the missing mother is the inconvenient truth which it is trying to eliminate. The husband who is supposed to go find his missing wife and child is brainwashed and wants to blame the entire thing on Gideon’s family move out of LEF. He is of the strong belief that his wife’s disappearance is punishment from God for Gideon’s family leaving LEF.
DeleteNow coming to the two families talking it over and resolving it – We all know the mechanics of LEF marriages. In LEF marriages, families of the bride and the groom have very little in common and are never given a chance to know each other, leave alone form meaningful relationship with each other. These families have handed over the destinies of their children to JD, LD and JJD. If there is a problem with the marriage, all that people know to do is run to some LEF leader to resolve the issue. Now these LEF rogues see the problems of individuals as a way to take complete control of the individuals. As abhorring as it is, LEF rogues take the side of the individual who has more "money" to finance these rogues. Now Gideons are outside LEF and so by default it is all Gideon's fault that the mother and child disappeared. Now the woman and the child missing is not seen as a big problem to any of these LEF rogues. All of them are now on the bandwagon to condemn Gideons' decision to leave LEF. So, who and what system is in place in LEF to help this family to find the missing daughter and mediate between the parties?
Now there is this huge threat to the life of the mother and child. Our only option at this point was to make it public so that "abductors" know that that whole world is watching and our hope was that it would make it hard for the people who were behind this hiding to eliminate the mother and child. In any case, thanks for your input. We hope you understand the complexity of the situation.
Please write a blog about the way Bro Whitson and Sister Kamala used as curry leaves and thrown out in their old age.Awake evangelists.It is time to give John,Lily and their corrupt friends the boot.
ReplyDeleteI am of the View that John Branch is a better preacher and leader compared to PHD alias JJD.
ReplyDeleteIt will be nice if Lizard Vampire who is trying hard to win over her dad's support base ,teams up with John Branch and vertically splits LEF.
Anonymous 21 August 8.13am
DeleteTrouble is, John Branch is in fact not a very good preacher, is not Indian, and must be completely fooled by JD and family - if he were not, he would never agree to be a puppet for them at retreats. Betty Daniel is completely deluded in spiritual terms; it is doubtful that even John Branch would want to associate himself with her false theology.
As interesting as it would be to see LEF split down the middle, the reality is that ordinary Indian LEF attenders need to be able to sit under sound ministries, preferably Indian nationals, who have, and never have had, anything to do with LEF and the Daniel family and its hangers on. There have been posts here earlier indicating where such ministries can be contacted.
John Branch was romantically linked with the lizard, so hope your wish doesn't come true in more ways than one. I am not joking, I am serious about this allegation. which happened in BG, many do know this, as Mrs. Branch had a fight on this matter and great preacher wilted from public view in the LEF
DeleteIt may be of interest to know that Revelation TV, a British TV company used by Joshua Daniel to broadcast his messages, is being investigated for misappropriation of funds by the Charity Commission. The interview that Joshua Daniel made with them is still being trumpeted on the LEF website.
DeleteYou can read about the investigation on the website 'God vs. Christianity'.
Is there no end to the shady people and connections with whom Joshua Daniel has involved LEF worshippers by his association with them?
Rumour has it that Lily and co. are planning to explain John Branch's future non-appearance by saying that he was unable to obtain the necessary visa......
Wake up, LEF supporters. 'Birds of a feather flock together'!
Looks like any sermons John Branch had on this church's website (the Cross, Rochester, Indiana) have now been deliberately removed.
DeleteWhile the sermons of John Branch were removed from his own church's ( a church where he was a pastor) website, isn't it rather bizarre that LEF's official website has John's Branch's "sermons" archived and broadcast. What a shame?
DeleteAnonymousAugust 25, 2015 2:41 AM, what you mentioned here few months ago seems to have wider implications than just the great preacher wilting away. Was this fight that you mentioned here in the last retreat in May? Also, which Lizard was this Branch guy romantically involved with? Incidentally, John Branch's wife had a message on her FB page some time ago saying - END OF RELATIONSHIP. Wonder what relationship she was referring to... Also, this John Branch disappeared from FB. The last piece of puzzle is that John Branch has resigned from being the pastor of a church called THE CROSS in Rochester, Indiana and according to the church's FB page, he has not left any contact details. What a mess this God forsaken Daniel family is...??? They bring these HOBOs (homeless vagabounds) to parade them on LEF stages to feed trash that comes out of their mouths to thousands of gullible LEF folks. John Branch has been paraded on LEF stages for as close as 10 years. We don't know what other dark deeds of this JD's children should be exposed for LEF folks to come out of the dark spell they are under.
DeleteWhat are we doing in LEF still sleeping or watching all the crimes and selfish in our works? just think and do something for this fellowship or try to help the laymen's in fellowship, how to help you as a followers of whistleblog or what to do as a followers, please tell us, what is happening in fellowship, what is the update of missing mother and child, did anybody enquired to mother about missing if she is found?
ReplyDeleteMany are telling that IC has kidnapped the mother and child, is it true? if it is true why the parents of missing daughter not filing a case on him or son-in law?
Every LEF person who has access to the Internet must be reading this blog.I am sure members of the Goonda family are also reading it.
ReplyDeleteChristians who tithe and contribute to this Goonda Organization must muster courage and demand an explanation from their evangelist.They must write to LD and JJD demanding an answer to the wrong things going on in LEF.
JD and the Goonda family owe a lot to Bro.Whitson and his wife .These people took care of LEF when JD went around the world with the money mobilised by his sister in madras hq and through her German connections.
Dear LEF Evangelists and missionaries here are some questions for you.
Where are Bro.Whitson and sister Kamala?.They are neither in Gujarat or in Madras .Who is taking care of them.Why have the goonda family ditched them?.You must demand an answer as Bro.Whitson was your Bible college Principal.Dear LEF full time workers don't expect JJD and LD to treat you well.If they are so hard hearted to ditch Bro.Whitson and sister Kamala they will sure use you and trash you.Dont trust the present LEF Management.They are rogues.
The LEF evangelists have a secured lifetime job, with neither targets nor achievements. The old men will never give place to youngsters, but will behave and act a youngsters at the age of 78, All this has been done so that old man JD and family can enjoy the perks of leadership with none of the responsibilities, The word ministry has been twisted to mean that the congregation must do absolute service to the evangelists. The old men and women have forgotten that ministry is for others, So as long as they are comfortable they wont bother about KP / WP
DeleteIt is not Laymens Evangelical Fellowship but Lamemen or Limpingmen evangelical fellowship.A Male Chauvinistic society.Have you seen any woman preachers.The only women preacher or leader is LD.
ReplyDeleteFellows who cannot walk straight but limp. Shame on these fellows.Every person who attends this organisation and supports its activities directly or indirectly are supporting antichristian (Cultish) activities.
one of the early Bishops of CSI told. LEF , is it a lame men's fellowship, later events have proved that he was correct
DeleteAnonymous August 25 @ 3.14am
DeleteWell those who support the LEF certainly show signs of lameness, in that they seem permanently incapable of walking through life without leaning on members of the Daniel family and their henchmen! It is quite extraordinary that Joshua Daniel spent so many decades being allowed by others to be accountable to no-one, least of all to those who funded his privileged lifestyle.
These maters are serious and criminal in nature, Bro Gideon and Mrs.Gideon, please file a missing person report and ask the Chief Minister and the Governor to help trace your daughter, Also get your distinguished son-in-law in the kilpak Mental health institute. I cant believe a young man so happily missing his wife and son, something is there, more you delay more the case will become complicated. You have every right to complain as it is your own daughter and grand son,. Don't listen to what JJD / KLD/IC are telling.
ReplyDeleteWe are not interested in playing the role of a peeping tom into the lives of people but concerned that families reconcile their differences and become strong pillars of our society. LEF was always full of aggressive socal climbers and Machiavellian crooks who do everything to get into powerful positions in LEF.They are never interested in helping families. Based on my enquiries the situation in this case is extremely complicated and the only solution that seems good is the couple leave chennai along with their baby to some other city.
ReplyDeletehave you found out mother and baby? can anyone give gideon uncle mobile no.?
ReplyDeleteWhistle blower. Any news about the missing woman?
ReplyDeleteI visited LEF India, Chennai in May Retreat of 2012 ... I attended with Arthur Hill ... Well I loved my contact with all the dear Indian families at the retreat ... Being alongside Arthur Hill was a nightmare ... AH loves to use the titles like The very prominent, the eminent Doctor this and prominent professor that ...Well The learned Reverent Doctor Arthur Hill was anything but reverent to me ... He was very rude and behaved like a bully while we were behind closed doors ... Anyway, that's what happened to me ... Preachers who want the spot light must be gentle and humble also behind closed doors ...
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