This will be a long blog post. Kindly bear with me.
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We have known these Daniel family rogues to abuse, slander, threaten and victimize people from what they believe as their safe haven- LEF pulpits. I have waited for two long years to catch John Daniel in his act of slandering us and sure enough I got him when he was at his best playing this nasty game. There is a video that you see in this blog post and this video in which John Daniel is lying through his teeth will be a game changer as now Daniel family opened up themselves to be questioned on everything that has happened with my father being appointed to this place for "ministry."
Here is all the written documentation we have in connection with our dad being assigned as the "evangelist" to Nalgonda.
First email : Sent from Gnanakalanjiam on behalf of Joshua Daniel asking him to forward this to my dad.
Note 2: My dad did not reply back to the lefihq@bsnl.in but to what he may have thought was Joshua Daniel's personal email. joshuadaniel1928@lefi.org
Note 3: Gnanajikalanjiam who may have expected that my dad would come running to him or call him right away after seeing this email was at a loss as to why my dad did not contact him or reply back to the email. I am assuming that Gnanakalanjiam would have called my dad and my dad may not have responded as he may have been this huge turmoil of how to say "NO" to Joshua Daniel knowing that they are now going to ostracize him and at the same time he knew in heart of hearts that my mother was going to be left in lurch. Now Gnanam had no clue about my dad's dilemma and frantically started tracking him down. In his desperation, Gnanakalanjiam called one of my brothers in the US to find out where my dad was and why he has not responded yet to the email that Joshua Daniel sent. That's when my brother realized that something was cooking
Note 4: My dad's first natural response was to talk about my mother's sickness and may be he expected Joshua Daniel to reconsider giving my dad this assignment. Looking at the time stamp, we can see that my dad waited for 8 solid hours before he sent the second email finally saying that he is willing to go. In the God father style, the now deceased Joshua Daniel always made offers that no one ever dared to refuse. So, how did my poor dad think that there will be any changes to the "original generous offer?"
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My dad did not discuss any of this with my mother or with us children and from the conversations he was having around with people, my mom realized that something was happening and that my dad was planning to go to some "Nalgonda" and she kept pestering him to tell him what was all this about and he wouldn't give her any details except saying that Joshua Daniel sent him some email. My poor mother, the simple woman that she is, doesn't even know how to use the complicated gadgets like iPhone etc. to call us. She was waiting desperately for our calls in the morning to tell us what has been happening. When we called our parents in the morning, our mother was already crying and saying something about Joshua Daniel, Nalgonda rather incoherently and as usual my dad wouldn't give us any details.
Anything he does with LEF is always a secret and he never tells us the whole truth about what he does and this time was no different. We all got onto a conference call with our mother and found out what was happening. After getting off the call with my mom, we children wanted to see what exactly was happening as now in bits and parts my mother was saying that my dad needs to move to Nalgonda. None of this was making sense to us as the biggest thing on our minds at that time was to get a knee replacement surgery for my mother who has been suffering with bad knees which was a complication that she developed on account of the long term use of high dosage of steroids that we had to give her to take care of a rare auto immune skin disorder.
Except this LEF deal, there are no secrets in our family. We children taught our dad how to use his email etc. and he keeps forgetting his password and bugs us on how to login. So, we gave him some ideas on what passwords to use and so we all knew what his password was which was one of my sons' name. So, it was easy to login to his email and see what this whole Joshua Daniel's email deal was. We were dumbfounded when we read the contents of the emails. My dad was already packing up to leave and when we asked him who was going to take care of our mother and what about her surgery, his answer was - God will take care as I am going to do God's work now. How are we to make sense of all this? Here we are already anxious about our mother getting this knee replacement surgery and planning on how to manage our schedules so that we can be around to help her and then from nowhere this email arrives and my dad is packing to leave like nothing else is important. If I remember it right, we tried to call Joshua Daniel but there was no response and then we called this Gunalan and he says that he is just a messenger and he will do what Joe ayya tells him to do and that's when we sent the below email.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-Nj1_F_0-4&feature=youtu.be
Unlike what this stupid John Daniel is blabbering in the above video, a team of government officials comprising of Human Rights Commissioner and some police men showed up at Hyderabad LEF center where Gnanam lives and it is Gnanam who is wetting his pants and not us. Along with Gnanam, Lily Daniel seems to be terrified and that's the reason she got off her high horse and called me last week. And this arrogant fool John Daniel, without understanding head or tail of what has been happening came up with his concocted nonsense and is using his Novi church pulpit to blabber his mad head off.
I am not even sure if my dad can face anyone of us children squarely now that this John Daniel tried to throw him under the bus with his lies and exaggerations. While a part of me refuses to believe that he would've said anything that this John Daniel is blabbering that he said, there is another part of me that is skeptical as I know that people who get trapped with this Daniel family sign a pact with the devil. In any case, I know one thing for sure. Having given himself away to the will of Joshua Daniel and now his loony wife and mentally deranged son John Daniel, my dad has been having a living hell for the past two years - torn between trying to do the right thing towards his sick wife and children and staying in the good books of these rogues. It has been almost two years since I have seen him and I recently saw some pictures of him that my niece sent. My first thought when I saw the pictures was - my dad seemed to have aged a lot from the last I have seen him.
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We have known these Daniel family rogues to abuse, slander, threaten and victimize people from what they believe as their safe haven- LEF pulpits. I have waited for two long years to catch John Daniel in his act of slandering us and sure enough I got him when he was at his best playing this nasty game. There is a video that you see in this blog post and this video in which John Daniel is lying through his teeth will be a game changer as now Daniel family opened up themselves to be questioned on everything that has happened with my father being appointed to this place for "ministry."
Here is all the written documentation we have in connection with our dad being assigned as the "evangelist" to Nalgonda.
First email : Sent from Gnanakalanjiam on behalf of Joshua Daniel asking him to forward this to my dad.
Second Email: My dad's first response to Joshua Daniel.
From: paul gnanakalanjiam <gnanam1956@hotmail.com>
Date: 24 Mar 2014 23:33:49 GMT+5:30
To: "
Subject: FW: Please forward to Brother
From: lefihq@bsnl.in
To: gkalanjiam@gmail.com
CC: gnanam1956@hotmail.com
Subject: Please forward to
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 21:58:40 +0530
My dearI do not know your whereabouts. Are you trust worthy or are you a retired old man?I had spoken to you about Ongole. Recently I preached in Ongole. Unfortunately, the hungry people in that area are so many that it is hard to fit them into the ground that we purchased some months ago. Are you praying for Ongole? In the meantime, I want you to go to Nalgonda. We have pitched out tent in our own plot. Besides preaching, we have to plan a large Prayer Hall. You have got to find a little room somewhere and take over the responsibility of the accounts. Gideon was the caretaker there and not preacher and he must handover everything to you. He has been transferred to Pakala. Particularly, I want last Sunday’s accounts. When a new centre is being open, there are many needs whether the people understand this or not, God is our supplier and he understands but being faithful in what He gives, is very important.I am sending a copy of this letter to Bro. Gnanakalanjiam.I have one fear however, some of you retired men, have become so comfortable. Whether you are fit for pioneer work, I do not know. Your chief work in Nalgonda will be to reach students and officials. God must use you. At least for six months, you have to concentrate there.With love.JOSHUA DANIEL.P.S. I do not know who will take care of your wife. Is she healthy?
Third Email: My dad's second response to Joshua Daniel.
From:
Date: 25 Mar 2014 02:22:08 GMT+5:30
To: "joshuadaniel1928@lefi.org" <joshuadaniel1928@lefi.org>
Subject: Fwd: Please forward to Brother ------------Respected Brother
I have gone through your mail,as we reached to Hyd my wife became very sick,(seviour cold &cough,knee pain&foot pain.About two months she
Suffered,By Gods grace she is fine.Pl.remember us in your prayer.greeting sis.LilyThanking you brother.Hyd.
Note 1: My dad removed Gnanakalanjiam in his reply for whatever reason.
From:
Date: 25 Mar 2014 10:58:04 GMT+5:30
To: "joshuadaniel1928@lefi.org" <joshuadaniel1928@lefi.org>
Subject: Fwd: Please forward toWhen shall I go to nalgonda & take charge from br.gideon.pl.inform me.i need your prayer.iwill follow your instructions.
Hyd
Sent from my iPhone
Note 2: My dad did not reply back to the lefihq@bsnl.in but to what he may have thought was Joshua Daniel's personal email. joshuadaniel1928@lefi.org
Note 3: Gnanajikalanjiam who may have expected that my dad would come running to him or call him right away after seeing this email was at a loss as to why my dad did not contact him or reply back to the email. I am assuming that Gnanakalanjiam would have called my dad and my dad may not have responded as he may have been this huge turmoil of how to say "NO" to Joshua Daniel knowing that they are now going to ostracize him and at the same time he knew in heart of hearts that my mother was going to be left in lurch. Now Gnanam had no clue about my dad's dilemma and frantically started tracking him down. In his desperation, Gnanakalanjiam called one of my brothers in the US to find out where my dad was and why he has not responded yet to the email that Joshua Daniel sent. That's when my brother realized that something was cooking
Note 4: My dad's first natural response was to talk about my mother's sickness and may be he expected Joshua Daniel to reconsider giving my dad this assignment. Looking at the time stamp, we can see that my dad waited for 8 solid hours before he sent the second email finally saying that he is willing to go. In the God father style, the now deceased Joshua Daniel always made offers that no one ever dared to refuse. So, how did my poor dad think that there will be any changes to the "original generous offer?"
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My dad did not discuss any of this with my mother or with us children and from the conversations he was having around with people, my mom realized that something was happening and that my dad was planning to go to some "Nalgonda" and she kept pestering him to tell him what was all this about and he wouldn't give her any details except saying that Joshua Daniel sent him some email. My poor mother, the simple woman that she is, doesn't even know how to use the complicated gadgets like iPhone etc. to call us. She was waiting desperately for our calls in the morning to tell us what has been happening. When we called our parents in the morning, our mother was already crying and saying something about Joshua Daniel, Nalgonda rather incoherently and as usual my dad wouldn't give us any details.
Anything he does with LEF is always a secret and he never tells us the whole truth about what he does and this time was no different. We all got onto a conference call with our mother and found out what was happening. After getting off the call with my mom, we children wanted to see what exactly was happening as now in bits and parts my mother was saying that my dad needs to move to Nalgonda. None of this was making sense to us as the biggest thing on our minds at that time was to get a knee replacement surgery for my mother who has been suffering with bad knees which was a complication that she developed on account of the long term use of high dosage of steroids that we had to give her to take care of a rare auto immune skin disorder.
Except this LEF deal, there are no secrets in our family. We children taught our dad how to use his email etc. and he keeps forgetting his password and bugs us on how to login. So, we gave him some ideas on what passwords to use and so we all knew what his password was which was one of my sons' name. So, it was easy to login to his email and see what this whole Joshua Daniel's email deal was. We were dumbfounded when we read the contents of the emails. My dad was already packing up to leave and when we asked him who was going to take care of our mother and what about her surgery, his answer was - God will take care as I am going to do God's work now. How are we to make sense of all this? Here we are already anxious about our mother getting this knee replacement surgery and planning on how to manage our schedules so that we can be around to help her and then from nowhere this email arrives and my dad is packing to leave like nothing else is important. If I remember it right, we tried to call Joshua Daniel but there was no response and then we called this Gunalan and he says that he is just a messenger and he will do what Joe ayya tells him to do and that's when we sent the below email.
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From:
Date: March 27, 2014 at 10:03:33 PM CDT
To: LEF <lefihq@bsnl.in>, "\"joshuadaniel1928@lefi.org\"" <joshuadaniel1928@lefi.org>
Subject: Re: Email to
Date: March 27, 2014 at 10:03:33 PM CDT
To: LEF <lefihq@bsnl.in>, "\"joshuadaniel1928@lefi.org\"" <joshuadaniel1928@lefi.org>
Subject: Re: Email to
We the children of happen to see this email that originated from this
email
address (lefihq@bsnl.in).
It is signed as being sent from Joshua Daniel and so we are assuming that he penned it or
dictated it. We have some comments and concerns with the tone and insensitivity of the email
that you have sent. Please find our comments highlighted.
My dear ,
I do not know your whereabouts.
It is ironic that you do not know the whereabouts of our dad but are wanting him to take up this assignment for you.
Are you trust worthy or are you a retired old man?
Is this how you talk down to people The way you treat other people will only reflect on how poor you are as an individual?
We are not sure what you mean by this.
What does being retired have to do with someone
being trustworthy? Also, isn’t it paradoxical that
an 85+ year old man is calling a 65 year man “OLD.”
Are you trying to find out if our dad is going to be
at the beck and call of Mr. Joshua Daniel to
play some foul politics?
Please reserve your monkey tricks for somebody else.
What kind of an idiot will want to assign a job
to somebody if he is not sure if the other person can be trusted or not?
I had spoken to you about Ongole. Recently I
preached in Ongole. Unfortunately, the hungry people in that area are so many that it is hard to fit them into the ground that we purchased some months ago. Are you praying for Ongole?
Why are you talking about Ongole which has
nothing to do with Nalgonda that you want him to go to? Are you trying to play some cheap politics of dangling the big carrot to trap the rabbit? These are the cheapest politics in play we have seen. This dying organization surely getting desperate !!!
In the meantime, I want you to go to Nalgonda.
We have pitched out tent in our own plot.
Besides preaching, we have to plan a large Prayer Hall.
You have got to find a little room somewhere and
take over the responsibility of the accounts.
What do you mean by little room?
Do you know that my dad has a wife that he is
still married to? Do you know that as a married man he has moral obligating to take care of his sickly wife? We know some of you have stooped down to such low levels both morally and ethically that you can only think and plot as criminals do.
Also, you do not even mention that he needs to
go there to do God's work. You basically want him to go there to ensure that the money from that place reaches you. We cannot believe your greed and obsession for money. It is mind boggling to us that you got away with murder for so many. Looks like it is time some IRS people looked into your financial operations.
Gideon was the caretaker there and not preacher and he must handover everything to you.
He has been transferred to Pakala. Particularly, I want last Sunday’s accounts.
You don’t want to know anything about how big
the congregation is and what kind of needs people have there. The first thing you want to know is how much money you got last Sunday.
What a liar you have been!!! You stand up
before thousands of people and say at every given opportunity that you do not want their money but then the first thing that you want to know when you are sending a man out to a new place is “HOW MUCH MONEY WAS COLLECTED LAST SUNDAY.”
Do you know that this man Gideon was in that
place for a long time? How did he fall off the pedestal? Is he not giving you all the money that you are trying to fleece out of him?
So, you basically want to use our dad to kick out
that other man and also gather the money and send it to you. You might want to hire some local goondas to do these dirty jobs for you. It might be a good idea to hire some money collectors too as they might do a better job of collecting money and don’t forget to hire some accountants to update you with every Sunday’s accounts.
When a new centre is being open, there are many needs whether the people understand this or not, God is our supplier and he understands but being faithful in what He gives, is very
important.
Finally you remembered to mention something
about God. Not bad at all. By the way, it looks like that you are worried that our dad would run away with the money.
I am sending a copy of this letter to Bro. Gnanakalanjiam.
I have one fear however, some of you retired men, have become so comfortable. Whether
you are fit for pioneer work, I do not know.
You have fears too!!! Quite interesting. Don’t you
all have some screening tests that you
can conduct to find out if a retired man like our
dad, who has “become so comfortable,” can do “pioneer work” (aka goonda, money collection, and watch dog work)?
Your chief work in Nalgonda will be to reach students and officials. God must use you.
At least for six months, you have to concentrate there.
Yeah, you have your target group set
correctly. Officials – because they have the money to
fund you all. Students – These will be the
next generation crop who will help to fund your organization.
Please understand that not even for 6 minutes will
our dad be on your “glorified mission.”
Please refrain from sending these emails.
With love.
JOSHUA DANIEL.
P.S. I do not know who will take care of your wife. Is she healthy?
Is this always the way you and your
organization operate? Splitting families up!!! This tells us what kind of value system you and the people whom you train have.
Don’t you have the minimum common sense to
think about the family situations that people have before you think of sending people for mission work?
What sort of question this? OUR DAD WILL TAKE
CARE OF OUR MOM. I hope you
understand this. It is more than surprising
that throughout this email you did not use one word of encouragement that would help anybody in our dad's shoes feel equipped to do what you wanted him to do. You did not even have the thoughtfulness to tell him that you will be praying for him and his family as he proceeds with this. It really reflects what kind of miserable organization this is.
This organization seems to be running the same way
a mafia gang operates. You might want to have more human interaction with people whom you want to work for the organization instead of remotely trying to do things. This way you are more understanding of people's problems and situations. You are doing a very sorry job and actively destroying this organization. Did
you ever wonder why some really mature and
well educated people like Prof. Willy and
Mr. Sathy left this organization? Look around and
see how many doctors, professors and
engineers and software professionals are left in
your organization. Not many people with any kind of self-respect would want to be associated with an organization that has such an
oppressing culture. Please leave our family
and especially our dad alone.
You and your draconian organization havw done
enough harm to our family.
Please allow our parents to have peaceful lives.
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There was no response to this email and then the next thing we know is my dad has gone and was scheduled for some revival meetings back to back for almost three weeks and while we are still making sense of this mess, we hear from someone that a big mob attacked the LEF people who were conducting revival meetings in Nalgonda as this new place that they recently bought was in a residential area and the local people were upset with all the noise and also that the local churches were also opposed to LEF building a prayer hall in the place. On one side, we were worried about our mom who is now suddenly left alone and the other hand we hear these stories that my dad was attacked.
Then we called this Gnanakalanjiam to find out what was happening and this fool started preaching to us - "Why don't you children have faith? You children are the ones who will be blessed because of the ministry your dad is doing. I worked among drunkards and God kept me safe. Your dad is safe. I appointed one boy to stay with him all the time for his safety. So, don't make unnecessary scenes about all this."
Words fail to express what kind of trauma we are going through as a family because of this mess. We had to postpone my mother's surgery till July of that year as that was the earliest one of us children could take off from work. I traveled to India in July, 2014 and took care of my mother through what turned out to be a traumatic surgery. Her post operative care was heavily compromised due to lack of support and help from my dad. I stayed with her as long as I could and my dad was on his own mission. My dad was so preoccupied with his so called ministry that he could not even come and receive me and my children at the airport. His mission is way too important mission that he has no time or inclination to engage with the family. Both my brothers visited India in the last two years and just like me they came back with heavy hearts. Even during their stay in India, my dad was gone for the most part and they had to stay with my mother. Unlike our earlier trips, where we had parties and get-togethers, friends and extended family visiting us, all we had now was an empty house with my lonely mother who most of the time was sad and depressed that she is not even able to keep her children and grand children happy when they come to visit them.
We debated moving our mom to Nalgonda but decided against it as it would be a huge stress on her to move to a completely new place at this age given her health condition and also she wants no part in this LEF mess. We begged, pleaded, cried, screamed, fought and did every possible thing to make our dad see reason.
In the meanwhile, I somehow got connected to Mr. Gideon's family(of course through Facebook that these LEF morons tell their followers no to use for obvious reasons) and their stories of what Lily Daniel has done to them can make a story line for a horror movie. At least, we children are unaffected by this Daniel family wickedness as all three of us have isolated ourselves from LEF some 20 years ago. The biggest saving grace was that none of us are trapped in this LEF marriage system. Now Mr. Gideon was not as lucky. They have their daughter stuck in that mess. In fact, this whole Nalgonda deal traced back to Immanuel Chakravarthy and Parimala's sexual escapades and how Mr. Gideon's daughter was a key eye witness to all that wickedness. (Please bear in mind that Immanuel Chakravarthy was still the official king maker in March 2014 )They needed Gideons removed at war footing as their son who was a Bible College student at the time was trying hard expose what was happening with Immanuel Chakravarthy and Parimala. So, Lily Daniel the witch master-minded this plan of removing Gideons after framing them that they stole money and then in line with her many of her malicious plans spread the rumor that it was Mr. Gideon's daughter who came and told them that their parents have stolen money from offering. As convenient as it was for them, they found my desperate dad who was dying to get his "own center" and made him the evangelist and the rest is history now.
While we thought that nothing is working, finally an opportunity knocked on our door few weeks ago. This again came in the form of my mother falling severely ill while my dad was out for some revival meetings. When one of my brothers called to find out when my dad was coming back home, my dad as usual gave a reckless answer and hung up the phone on him. He then called Gnanam (who is the in-charge of Telengana and also he was with my dad at the same meetings) and asked him to send my dad back immediately. That arrogant fool started running his mouth - "your dad came voluntarily and no one forced him. Don't pull me into your family's mess..." For records, this so called evangelist of this big center and his doctor wife have not made one courtesy call to visit my mother who went through such a major surgery but this fool made a big announcement in a Sunday morning service to pray for my dad who is now will be taking care of the Nalgonda ministry.
This recent incident of my mother falling ill when my dad was out for some God forsaken revival meetings and the high and mighty talk of Gnanam was like that last trigger that we were waiting for to do whatever it takes to teach a lesson to these rogues.
Unlike what this stupid John Daniel is blabbering in the above video, a team of government officials comprising of Human Rights Commissioner and some police men showed up at Hyderabad LEF center where Gnanam lives and it is Gnanam who is wetting his pants and not us. Along with Gnanam, Lily Daniel seems to be terrified and that's the reason she got off her high horse and called me last week. And this arrogant fool John Daniel, without understanding head or tail of what has been happening came up with his concocted nonsense and is using his Novi church pulpit to blabber his mad head off.
Now all they have in that place is his family and Lawrence's family and may be couple of other unfortunate souls. How is this story about my family relevant to that group of people? I heard that John Daniel's daughters are reading this blog and it may be that John Daniel is unable to contain all this anymore. So, he may have thought that he will get on the stage wearing his suit to make himself feel powerful and narrate his concoctions. Somehow these fools think that whatever they speak from their pulpits is automatically deemed as the "ultimate truth."
John Daniel, if you or any of your stooges are reading this, please note that whatever is going to happen after this will be hotter than hell.
Aww. What this family is making you go through for their greed is unbelievable. LEF is ISIS for many . It isceasier to escape ISIS . Jeremiah. 15:21. I will save you from the hands of the wicked and deliver you from the grasp of the cruel.. God is the only hope against this kind of enormous evil If they are true christians not only they will relese your Dad to help Mom they will send more help. May God shake the heaven to send his army of angels to fight this evil done in his name to your family and thousands more
ReplyDeleteThis is the wickiup edit link which lists all kinds of abuse using religion. LEF is guilty of lot in the list
ReplyDeletehttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_abuse
Online complain form. Where you can possibly get some attention and justice. There is lot of proof against this culprits
ReplyDeletehttp://www.humanrightscommission.vic.gov.au/index.php/types-of-discrimination/racial-and-religious-vilification
let us all in india send post cards printed with this matter to all the centers & hq chennai. let us bombard them with these post cards. let us also send these to sp, collector of the district.
ReplyDeleteSorry to go off topic. but has anyone seen this video ( https://www.facebook.com/rick.immel.1/videos/10154061779568909/) that Betty has shared at her church. This is not Holy Spirit. It is evil spirits. God is not author of confusion.
ReplyDeleteWhen you belong to a Scheduled Caste then only these people will fear you like the thing which happened in Rajahmundry
ReplyDeleteWhat happened in Rajahmundry? Can you give more details?
DeleteJoshua Daniel during his lifetime used to preached from pulpit against the love of money like no one else could have possibly done. He forgot what St. Paul warned that if ' I don't practise what I preach becomes transgressor...a castaway" It's now more than 100% clear that Joshua Aneo became the ' transgressor' and a hypocrite of highest order because he preached the highest level of moral and lived the lowest possible as seen from above. There is no is no iota of love or compassion in his letters, particularly towards whom he wrote. Though Joshua Daniel compared himself to St. Paul in LEF constitution and bye-laws pertaining to overseas missions, he is diametrically opposite to St. Paul in matters of relationship with those who labour with him or those who regularly attend LEF services. St. Paul's letters became inspired word of God while Joshua Daniel's letters have become the Pandora's box that openly exposes the degree of oppression that those who are hired by him and work under his will have suffered. Often LEF people many of them been deceived into believing that what that presume as God's will become the authentic will of God when it used to be certified by JD or his family members.
ReplyDeleteHow can one think God only speaks through him or confirms God's will through him? This all happens because many in LEF have been taught wrongly to use Bible like some horoscopes or something. God does speaks but never have to be according to some person or some leaders who are required to certify or something. This is how many preachers on LEF suffers from a syndrome that originated from random flipping of pages of the scriptures to see how divine revelation comes. This isn't funny anymore.I have found out that there is no systematic reading of the scriptures among many in LEF because of this syndrome of random readings.
This is true to my knowledge because the deception is indeed painful. Many after controlled virtually by preachers whom them think as the oracles of God himself.
This has been blatantly misused by JD and others thinking that whatever they write or speak from pulpits are God's words. So the become walkers of the flesh and never learn to walk on the Spirit.
In the first place I genuinely doubt as to whether people like John Daniel or his father during his final journey truly had the living Spirit of God in them. Certainly a person who is filled with God's Spirit will not write such letters that has no element of grace that the writer apparently lacked in his lifetime.
No other organisations teach on repentance or confession or restitution like LEF used to do. Nothing wrong but the focus was not Christ. So what has happened? The Evil One attacked and defeated such many preachers like JD and others in the very areas they preached and broke each of the rules they set for others.
It's the saddest testimony that LEF has to become a factory of hypocrites and self righteous individuals.
Forget about first century Christianity now! The very method of manipulations of God's will and word to oppress families only proves that some of these goons are hand in gloves with Satan in furthering the kingdom of darkness in this 21st century.
I wrote the above not because I hate LEF people but I want them to escape the evil deeds and curses of the corrupted Daniel family. It's shameful to associate oneself with stupid people like JD and others and fool oneself that one follows Jesus. Birds of the feathers flock together. Do beware with whom you associate. Don't associate just to be the objects of manipulations of wicked and stupid leaders. Wake up dear people. Love God and leave LEF which is presently controlled by evil witch Lily and his stupid son John. Be used by God and not by these morons who use God's name for their own personal profits.
Very cogently expressed, Anon. 29.3 @ 1.19pm!
DeleteYes LEF preaches repentance like nobody else. But they never repent and keep doing the worst like nobody else. It is like the thief shouting thief thief to distract everybody to escape. But these LEF theives are worst theives of all . Believe me they let people die and even accidentally murder to fulfill their greed and filth. It is there though nor many wont believe it. LD supports them and she knows it worst than IC
ReplyDeleteBut they think others are stupid. One of the LEF goonda whe never misses any wickedness for success acts shamelessly infront of others how much he is burdened that he is not able to find old time religeon now a days. He is one of the wickedest in LEF. This is what LEF retreats and fasting prayers teach now a days. The worst goonda you are the more successful you are.
ReplyDeletePlease get out of Lame Men's Evangelical Fellowship
ReplyDeleteEvery son in law they get should be like these rogues they are supporting. They split families and LD has the worst family testimony among any christian organizations. Even her rogues have the worst testimony. Nobody can say that they dont lie, loot even moral but brag only about power which they got nastiest way
ReplyDeleteMost of the innocent LEF people need to listen to this. My observation is that you attend Wednesday and Saturday ( fasting) meetings and pray like this " Lord bless and use your servant John Daniel mightily... Lily Daniel mightily" etc etc. There is nothing amiss in such prayers. But it only proves that you are their devotees! The question is do you fear God or these hypocrites John Daniel and Lily Daniel?I find that many evangelists of LEF tremble before these morons while they should be trembling before God. Don't we see this as a form of slavery? Where is your freedom in Christ? It's a crafty method of exploitation. Some pray for these morons since their first association with them, every Wednesdays Saturdays for many years while the ones whom they have been praying for , for years are only wolves in sheep's clothing.
ReplyDeleteAll you read on Wednesdays and Saturdays are messages of the Daniel family members. 'Christ is victor' magazine is just the name because Christ isn't given the rightful place. You find more of Daniels family writer than Christ's words. This I find is a form of idolatry.
I observe that the main webpage (www.lefi.org ) of LEF has radio ministry
called The Lord's Challenge. We all know that Joshua Daniel is dead. But why does the webpage introduce him in simple present tense as if the speaker is still alive? See the section ' about the speaker' and you will know what I mean. This is a form of deception. The same is also true with the so-called TV ministry. This is abnormal because no one will telecast TV ministry after the demise of the speaker. But that's what LEF had been shamelessly doing. This proves that people are more devoted to Joshua Daniel and LEF more than to Christ. If devotion is towards Christ, you will never deceive people.I believe LEF must be having trends tens and hundreds of good preachers better than John Daniel, why aren't they given öpportunitÿ to serve God in radio and Tv ministry? The same is true with the May Retreats or Children Retreats.
These all prove that LEF is a Daniel family ministry. They presume that they are the best and they alone deserve the best and that they alone are the Levi family of sort among all.
This illusion has been infected into the minds of LEF devotees. The latter have no choice or voice in the ministry. They support the Daniel family in all forms of ways- money through tithes and offering, unpaid services free labour etc all the while assuming that they are serving God through services to the Daniel family.
As long as the centre of focus of the ministry remains this corrupted
family, absolute corruption is bound to happen. The power concentrated on this family leading to absolute power and eventually corruption. Power does corrupt and absolute power of this Daniel family corrupts the ministry from the roots ( HQs).
There is a scripture that says " If you cannot love your brother whom you your eyes see, how can you say you love God whom your eyes cannot see?" This proves the importance of building loving relationships among believers. LEF leadership blatantly reject the word of Christ which says: " By these others will know you are my disciples when you love one another" through self-importance and hero-worship that's found in eastern mysticism like gurukuls or Chinese's originated
Confucianism's philosophy. This is dangerous because gurus are seen as almost divine and the cannot be corrected by the pupils or devotees.
So much of the financial irregularities and lack of accountability cannot be easily contained or controlled. In such cults, leaders are accountable only to the divine. Their power cannot be contested.
In short, The poison of ' hunger for power' has virtually turned LEF into cultic family business. For instance, if morons like John Daniel or his late father were truly hungry for the salvation and blessedness of families, we would have heard an altogether different story today. Testimonies will speak for themselves.
The TV broadcasts are indeed deceptive in that Joshua Daniel is dead. However the Daniel family clearly had no option but to regurgitate his messages on the media, if you think about it.
DeleteLily is cunning enough to realise that her inept, stammering son John is no preacher, and would not be acceptable even to the most basic broadcaster - and in England, Revelation TV (the company LEF uses) is extremely basic! It is largely wellknown for broadcasting the money-grabbing 'messages' of apostate charismatics and purveyors of the heretical 'prosperity gospel'. There has long been a scandal associated with Howard Conder and his wife, owners of Revelation TV. It is alleged that (like the Daniels!) the Conders have misappropriated for themselves donations that were intended for the advancement of their 'TV ministry'. Like Joshua Daniel, they seemed to claim to live 'by faith', whilst in fact living off other people's earnings. Many of their former supporters have stopped giving and viewing, and have encouraged the ongoing investigation into their affairs by the English Charity Commission.
This is well-known in Christian circles, but LEF still broadcasts via this very dubious Revelation TV company, just as LEF continued (until exposed on this site) to have John Branch preach at LEF May retreats and youth camps, even though his adultery had been going on for a while.
It would, admittedly, have been difficult to get a reputable Christian TV company to broadcast Joshua Daniel's largely empty, self-aggrandising 'messages'. Their rambling, vapid, focusless nature, lacking doctrinal or theological content, would have been unacceptable to Christians of integrity, even though the constant brow-beating he inflicted on Indians was modified slightly for Western ears. That his son's, John Daniel's, mumbling and stammering has not made its way into even a corrupt British TV company only interested in the money speaks volumes about the worthlessness and inanity of his utterences, though I expect that his spiteful libelling of the Whistleblower family (as above) might amuse a reprobate like Howard Conder (that is, if he could discern anything comprehensible amidst John's sniggering and spluttering).
However what option does Lily have? Only John, of her three sons, is willing to do her bidding and live off the LEF cult followers. Betty is estranged, demonstrably unstable, has no gift for speaking, and is even more spiritually confused and inept than her mother and brother John. Goodness knows what Lydia does to justify living off LEF tithes and offerings (no doubt it was beneath her dignity to have continued with her Call Centre 'career'). In any case the Bible teaches that women may not occupy pulpits (take note, Lily!).
No non-Daniel Indians are allowed to preach at retreats, so obviously Lily would not want them hogging her family's limelight on TV.
Continuing to broadcast repeats of the interminable dronings of a dead man is, therefore, the only option that Lily now has!
No wonder the power craze control mongers are so confidant with their wicked testimony. Their Guru is like them and Guru LD helps them to get away so that she can get away her evil plans. The life on earth is not the real thing. The real life is the eternal one which has no end. LD you know what you practice is evil. Bible says so in james 3:16. Where you have envy and selfish ambition there you find disorder and evil practice
DeleteThe division you ckaim about is not because you sacrifice for God the unnecessary relationship that Bible says. Your fights and dvisions are frimbthe evil you practice. There is huge difference. In fight you have relationship with worst of worst and dump who follow the bible. That is the fight that caused by following God. Actually your victims belong to that team you claim to belong by twisting the word
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A peek into Lef history. Mrs. Kamala whitsun started the confusion period in Lef. Many married women were asked to leave their husbands and stay in the Lef hostel. One of my aunts did this. My mom too stayed in this hostel. They gave up their good sarees, did not wear slippers,gave up their jewels ...... thankfully thos madness was temporary. All the girls were packed off from the hostel. But this spirit seems to be prevalent in Lef even today!
ReplyDeleteDaniel family often misinterpret the scriptures and misguide the devotees. In the case of Mrs.Kamala, her idea of a separated life was her above failed bizarre experiment of separating wives from husbands for her purported ' deeper spiritual life' which in fact became heretical. Why? Living a separated life has nothing to do with her confused ideas.
DeleteAnd the problem is, these people ( Daniel family) don't know that they are often living in fools paradise. They don't accept the fact that they are sick and confused in matters pertaining to biblical doctrines.
When any person assumes himself out herself as being superior to others, such stupid person comes up with crazy ideas that he/ she thinks after the best options for advancement. That is misguided concept of leading others into the pit of confusion.
God doesn't give us the Spirit of fear and confusion, but of love, power and SOUND MIND.
Reject such fanciful ideas that doesn't go in line with Sound Mind. That's what LEF leadership has failed to do ask these years.
-ljh
Shame on you John the goonda.Instead of preparing a message for the occasion "Easter Sunday" he has chosen to attack a faithful tithegiving family.
ReplyDeleteHey John do you realize that if the law of the land takes its course you guys will be left penniless and be on the streets begging for alms.
Enough of fooling people using religion.You have again proved to be a wholesome crook.
Before you come to the retreat go to Salem meet your Uncle and Aunty whom you the goonda group have ditched and dumped ,ask forgiveness and try to set right your conscience.Else your retreat messages are nonsense.It is actually useless as no one barring a few faithful people (slaves) tolerate your rubbish messages.
Anonymous March 30, 2016 10:12 PM, John Daniel will now have to follow his glorious talk of "carrying his cross" if he wants to come May retreat or some other God forsaken retreat after this video that has gone viral. We will see how willing he will be to come and carry his cross when he comes to India. This video for all you know may be the last nail in the coffin.
ReplyDeleteObe of the LDs goonda takes his children and spouse ( who him and his family use to cover up their illegal wicked activities) to find another wife because their wicked plans will not work well with her. This family calls themselves annointed holy people. When asked to sit with the Gods people for answet they wont agree. This family will do any wickedness for success and power. They are not condemned but to request to fulfill the covenent made infrnt of God is condemned. What bible they are preaching
ReplyDeleteThank you Bro for all these eyeopening facts about LEF. My desire is that this Organization should be closed forever. The teachings of LEF are absolutely wrong. Please post more as people will be aware of truth
ReplyDeleteThis is the same family caused the four month featus of the baby die since their wicked plan for their filth and power hindered. But LD supports them for money and gossiping.
ReplyDeleteWhen I called JD a hypocrite I was told to leave and never come back. Also John Daniel personally came up and asked me to leave at another retreat. So no they are not so brave when confronting people that oppose them. The Daniels are runners and cowards.
ReplyDeleteHad Joshua Daniel had true Christian love, he would have humbled himself and come to his senses to realise that he himself is limited as an individual.
DeleteThough this hypocrite tells from pulpit that he is a doorkeeper,
servant of servants... He never meant what he said! He tells other he's a servant,a doormat but he himself treats others like doormats; insult other preachers in the nange of God... Telling them they have no faith.. Their prayers are wrong and what not! JD was an epitome of contradictions... Self-righteousness and hypocricy was evident (u know if you walk close to him and check him out house he talks and treats others) from his words and actions.
He was a coward who feared that his secrets would be exposed. So he expelled those who knew the truth about the corruptions surrounding them!
They ate Pharisees I knowingly , willingly and intentionally and their Hondas are same way.
ReplyDeleteIt has been a practice for these LEF goondas to use Gods place to abuse and humiliate others to carry out their plans for their greed .
God says in Isaiah 30:1. "Woe to the obstinate children," declares the LORD, "to those who carry out plans that are not mine, forming an alliance, but not by my Spirit, heaping sin upon sin;
They think they can abuse , condemn and curse others without accounting their wickedness. But they are who are cursed by their own quality of words
Bible says. Mathew 15:11. What goes into someone's mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them."
People who do their own plans , manipulate God, his word and his people are not of God. They are pharisees , blind and take others to the same pit they are in.
Matew 15. Then the disciples came and said to Him, "Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this statement?" 13But He answered and said, "Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant shall be uprooted. 14"Let them alone; they are blind guides of the blind. And if a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit."
Even Jesus found it very difficult dealing with the Pharisees of His day who were ' blind guides' as per His words.Now there are two things:
Delete1. Blindness- spiritual blindness is very dangerous. This is more so when the blind doesn't know that he is blind!
2. Guidance- the blind not knowing he's blind tries hard to give guidance to others! This is simply arrogance and dishonesty. Why doesn't the blind seek those who see? Instead of seeking those whose eyes are opened, these arrogant' blind guides' keep guiding the other blind people. so, as per the analysis of Christ, both will talk into the pit! Those were and are Jesus' words.
The relevance of Christ's word is very much relevant in the context of this God forsaken LEF where persons like John Daniel slanders families from pulpit where He was suppose to speak of Christ's victory over the works of the flesh like envy, jealousy and slander.
This act of preaching so irrelevant to the resurrection message is simply anti-Christian. Why? Because people like John lives only to fulfil the plans of Satan. Satan plans to deceive people and deviate people from the message of Christ's glorious resurrection.
No one will use pulpit on resurrection day to slander families except fools and satanic preachers who haven't experienced the love of the cross and joy of the Holy Spirit.
A person who can't preach the message of joy and victory even on Resurrection Day (but accuse,condemn others with his venom) is either Christless or devilish.
JJD is following JD.. JD introduced abusing people from pulpit. He never preached Gospel rather he blabbered.. When JD started preaching when he was young he used to preach like lion... after seeing money and surrounded by people (useless) he became addicted to idle worship.. Money, Building, Cars, Luxury, Travel etc.
ReplyDeleteAnon. 1 April 7.54am
DeleteI do not believe that Joshua Daniel ever 'preached like a lion'. He has always been an untaught, ignorant man, yet with a certain native cunning, who knew nothing of biblical theology, and did not want to; a man who bought himself a fake 'doctorate' in an unspecified subject (which could not have been in English or Theology, since from personal experience I can say he was very lacking in his apprehension of both - and you only have to read his books or listen to his preaching to realise that yourself).
It is not impossible for relatively uneducated men to preach usefully, but historically they were men with a deep humility, who were not ashamed of their lack of learning, and certainly did not advertise themselves by using fake or irrelevant qualifications, as JD constantly did.
What they did have was the real presence of the Holy Spirit in their lives, genuine humility (which does not mean showing off in public prayer from a platform by shoutin 'Lord, I need to be more humble', so that listeners will think, 'What a humble man he must be to acknowledge his lack of humility!'), and a genuine and individual calling from God, a calling that was submitted to, and confirmed independently by, their church fellowships, or at least mature Christians.
Who ever called Joshua Daniel into the ministry? Did he (or his father, for that matter) ever submit themselves to the will and authority of any local Body of Christ?.
No, a man with his ill-taught background, unwillingness to submit himself to the authority of, (or even pay any attention to) other Christians, and undisguised arrogance, could never have 'preached like a lion'. Rather he probably still brayed like a donkey, even in his youth, and his son John is now squeaking like a trapped rat.
what about you John...? when you are in Connoor..who came and did cheap slavery to you and your family...?is it not Peter paul's and Gideon's family..what a duplicit talk on a resurrection day...I thought you would behave in a mature way regarding this matter of Bro.BR in nalgonda.instead you want to take this as a challenge....so funny..You need to learn how to settle things and run the organization smoothly..not by stretching things too far till it breaks because of your personal arrogance..infact nobody bullied you John,you yourself is exposing your real nature and bullying yourself.Beware...your kids are watching everything..oneday you will have nothing to speak from the pulpit..
ReplyDeleteAnon 1 April @ 8.46am
DeleteJohn Daniel already has nothing to say from the pulpit, so nothing new there!
Even if JD and LD dont understand bible if they really read it this can not get easier to inderstand
ReplyDeleteDoing good to good is normal
Bad to bad is human
Good to bad is devine. But
Bad to good is Evil. In biblical terms satanic
Conoor is where I saw a flurry of activity and a red carpet (literally) rolled out from the bungalow where JD came to stay. I watched him arrive in his glory abd bark out orders to his slave boys expressing his dissatisfaction with everything.
ReplyDeleteIs this organization dying ? Man !! I wanna hear that. Let me know the status of LEF in various places if you are aware of it
ReplyDeleteI want to mention about Dr.Benjamin Warfield who is a great theologian and professor in Princeton University who was very busy in ministry until his wife became paraplegic.He left his job,so called ministering to people has taken break, and started taking care of his sickly wife for two years,after which his colleagues come and ask him,why are you wasting your time with her.We'l keep her under good nursing care and you can continue the ministry and many people will be blessed.His reply was "MY WIFE IS MY MINISTRY" I pledged her on my marriage day till death parts us i'll take care of you.Yes John it is true.Sadly you want to use pulpit for personal comments without grace is immature.Please John leave this family matter to them.then only you can sleep well.you know what many young people are carefully following this blog.They may keep quiet and act smart before you,but when time comes,they will take off their masks.then you will have tough time.Listen to your heart John not to your mother...
ReplyDeleteAnon April 1 1.07pm
DeleteThank you for mentioning the theologian B.B. Warfield - a well-known Christian teacher, preacher, and writer of the last century, a truly godly servant of Christ whose name certainly means nothing to the woefully ignorant Daniels and their LEF devotees. What an encouraging illustration of Warfield's closeness to the Lord is mirrored in his devotion to the wife the Lord gave him!
How can John Daniel understand true godliness? His father neither sought, nor thought he needed, genuine instruction in the things of God. John Daniel was brought up on a diet of legalistic clap-trap masquerading as 'preaching'; his father, Joshua Daniel, was careful to keep his followers, including his family, away from churches where they might actually learn something profitable to their souls, and realise the true emptiness of Joshua Daniel's quasi-religious, dictatorial bellowings. No wonder John has nothing useful to say. No wonder unstable Betty thinks she can 'heal' kitchen appliances. No wonder Lydia is just another (middle-aged) Daniel parasite whose mother is desparate to find her a spouse (but perennially unsuccessful).
Are we really surprised that this John Daniel can shamelessly slander a decent family from the platform on Resurrection Sunday, instead of concentrating on the risen Lord Jesus? What does John Daniel, or any other Daniel in his household, know of the power and love demonstrated through the resurrection of God's only son Jesus Christ? Why would John Daniel want to spend platform time rejoicing in salvation, when his purposes are better served in trying to discredit and deter those 'unconverted children' (his words) of a deceived, elderly man, siblings who seek to rescue both their mother and their father from the evil plottings of LEF? Can the blind lead the blind?
Common decency would dictate that a man must take care of his wife. Even atheists understand that. John Daniel is patently a liar and a hypocrite in his Easter Sunday platform prattling when he tries to convince his hearers that he and his family had no influence over this husband's actions in abandoning his sick wife, and that this reprobate, deceived husband is in fact 'serving the Lord'. Every snigger, every gesture, every stammer in his 'message' demonstrates that John Daniel is merely seeking to perpetuate the evil organisation known as LEF. He knows full well the wicked strategies employed by his own parents and others of his family in alienating parents from children, and wives from husbands, in order to harness all the resulting available money, physical labour, and loyalty in the service of his family's cultish organisation.
Please click on to the You Tube clip in this blog showing John Daniel's sickeningly hypocritical babbling. The more disapproving comments people add below it on You Tube itself, the more the world will be warned against this unpleasant failure of a man, John Daniel. Duped LEF people may also happen on it if they routinely search there for videos of their gurus/idols, the Daniels. No doubt John Daniel will be forbidding LEF people to use the entire internet now, in addition to Facebook! Of course, he and his family will be exempt from this edict.....
jd WAS A MAN PREJUDICED AGAINST HIS OWN RACE. hIS SON IS JUST LIKE HIM.
ReplyDeleteIt has been dead for a long time. LEF cunningly manipulated the mentality of idolatory of the country manipulted with bible to loot the western money and make people worship them
ReplyDeleteJohn your mother personally told that you are engaged to a girl(after praying and telling it is God's will) and because your mother arrives one fine day and says to break with her and marry another girl..you agreed to it and had a happy life just because you listened to her...Can we interview one of your girls in the retreat how happy your wife and family is...?ready for challenge...?all the dark secrets will come out John.Then why act smart over the pulpit on a resurrection day.Who are you to intervene in other people's family affair while your ow family is not in order...If some body dared to preach about your sisters live s from LEF pulpit...how would you feel..how would you and your mother respond...show some grace John..though you are in mid 50's you are so...immature
ReplyDeleteWhom ever they didnt want what a blessing to her. God saved her from deepest, darkest, filthiest pit. Many are nit that firtunate with these cuprits. Its like even though JESUS saves you satan keeps haunting you through these LEF crooks
ReplyDeleteLD and co say everybody is willingly . But infact tgese goondas abuse ,gossip, split families to finish their corruprion. Even the faithful retreat goesrs say LD calls them and screams at them if they dont go but maje it look like everybody is going willingly. What a joke. In fulfilling numbers they get insentuves. Power and coverup even filthy life.
ReplyDeleteA thousand will become a little one soon... The proud will be humiliated... It's only a matter of time that destruction will come..LEF week have no thing to feed the hungry but husks... Families have seen so much of bad examples from the Daniel family crooks!
ReplyDeleteThat is the worst easter message ever in all of history. Talking about challenge in his message. Can JJD take the challenge his goondas who minister only to ladies even till 3am for years and say that LEF is behind them and lie about their position in LEF to everybody for control , gossip 24/7 that what they do is biblical as they claim because he lets them serve the LORD the way they want to. I challenge you to answer even if you dont get money. You know who they are. You know you cover up for them a lot and call it serving the LORD.
ReplyDeleteJohn Daniel would have succeeded in fooling people had he been in the earlier century. But now, you can't deceive people from pulpits, whether you speak from America or France or Africa or India. Everyone knows your monkey tricks, John. God's people are already wise.
DeleteNot like you. Only godless will slander like you always do. This is a warning for all LEF evangelists. Speak only God's word from pulpit. Don't heap curses upon yourself telling unrelated stories of some families from pulpits. Everyone must respect pulpit and speak only from the Bible. John is the worst example of misuse of pulpit. Never follow his example. Ruin away from such an evil man.
God forsaken May Retreat is coming next month. Beware of your spiritual life. Don't ruin yourself by attending and sitting under such a cursed, godless and evil speaker. God help you escape, dear people.
But do patronize the Tuck Shop. John's livelihood in the U.S. is at stake,
DeleteJJD. You are talking your greed to add more land and add numbers who can give you more money as challenge in the LORD's work. You take the challenge from the words of the LORD and prove it you are following the LORD as it says in Isaiah 17.
ReplyDeleteWash yourselves, make yourselves clean; Remove the evil of your deeds from My sight. Cease to do evil, 17Learn to do good; Seek justice, Reprove the ruthless, Defend the orphan, Plead for the widow. 18"Come now, and let us reason together," Says the LORD, "Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.…
Many will follow your example and you can put an end to this curse. I challenge you how many of your goondas will still follow you.
Hope everything is allright. Praying for your family. Specially your Mom and you
ReplyDeleteChallenge.....?Did you ever take any challenge when your father is alive John..?You should have taken challenge leaving US and coming to needy areas where gospel is not even heard in Chatisgarh,Jharkhand,Bihar,Uttarkhand,Rajasthan,madhaya pradesh,South Maharastra and north Karnataka..where even a single LEF center is not there..or send your girls to Kashmir and Bansi or nepal and should have been a role model in pioneering...instead you sit in comfortable places and order others to leave their comforts even to an extent of leaving sickly wife..and threaten the family on a resurrection day..I still remember your Dad telling in one of the evangelist meeting that your younger sister is interested in starting a Orphanage home in Darjeeling...ofcourse using the tithes and offerings of LEF and not with her own money.She never took up the challenge.Your mother graduated in Medicine but never took up the challenge of serving the poor and needy instead took up challenge of bullying families who dont listen to her,ofcourse she made JD starve to death.may be challenge is a word not properly understood by you and your family..very discouraging thing John what you have done on a resurrection day...
ReplyDeleteAnon 4 April 7.46am
DeleteNo good challenging John Daniel to preach the Gospel anywhere, let alone in remoter areas.
He does not even understand the Gospel himself (none of the Daniels referred to here do), so how could he preach it to anyone else anywhere?
If there are no LEF centres in such unreached Indian places, it can only be a blessing! Why would anyone want to inflict the legalistic, poisonous nonsense preached by LEF on unbelievers in these places? Better to pray that the Holy Spirit will continue to keep LEF away and send some real Christian witness there, to preach the mercy and grace of God revealed in Jesus Christ.
Can't imagine Princess Lydia dirtying her sticky, acquisative little fingers in an orphanage - but then she didn't, did she?
Let's be fair, though, Betty Daniel 'took up the challenge' of 'healing' her refrigerator! What a blessing to believers, and humanity in general that was ! Any chance of a publuc demonstration, Betty? We don't mind which kitchen appliance........
Lily Daniel has taken up lots of challenges:
1. To turn at least 3 of her children into deluded snobs (succeeded)
2. To ruin the lives of countless families (succeeded)
3. To acquire a huge amount of other people's money and assets in her own lifetime (succeeded)
4. To groom her son to be a successful leader of the LEF cult (big fail!!!)
PS. Re current news item: I wonder if the Daniels have managed to squirrel away any LEF tithes and offerings for personal use via the international tax evasion scam at present hitting the headlines?
This is what happens when legalism is mistaken for spirituality.
DeleteThis is what happens when walking on the flesh is manifested through legalism. This is the proof that the love of money is the root of all evil. Power corrupts people. The spirit of Balaam attacked and defeated the Daniel family. Unless they repent in sackcloth and ashes, they to will perish along with their greed and covetousness.
Bible talks about the kind of people who abuse unlike anywhere else and call it ministry
ReplyDeletehttp://biblehub.com/john/16-2.htm
They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God.
Mathew Henrys comments
16:1-6 Our Lord Jesus, by giving his disciples notice of trouble, designed that the terror might not be a surprise to them. It is possible for those who are real enemies to God's service, to pretend zeal for it. This does not lessen the sin of the persecutors; villanies will never be changed by putting the name of God to them.
Why cant JJD replace your dad in Nalgonda? Jjd preaching such fiery sermons that your dad is doing God's work and you are challenging him. Can he take up this challenge leaving the u
ReplyDeleteS. His wife and children?
John should be ready for any challenge ahead if he's a true leader... But it's doubtful that this hypocritical coward will take even a step to alleviate others' problems. He's just a talker and not a doer... Always deceiving himself and others too..
DeleteAnd it's not as if his talking/droning on makes any sense, or helps anybody!
DeleteThe same GK from Hyd conducted a secret wedding in westgodavari yesterday which is suresh marcus teritory by finding a girl of same caste for a boy from Hyd.and the girl is not from LEF..I'm not telling its wrong...if divine provision..but i'm questioning GK's involvement as big center incharge not following rules of LEF.Can John take this as challenge to cancel anniversary or revival meetings in Hyd as he did this year in Vizag as Yohan crossed LEF lines...by conducting marriages.
ReplyDeleteCan John remove his personal male secretory from HQ as his son's wedding is going to be conducted outside of LEF? Are you ready for this challenge?
ReplyDeleteMy God..its true.But fact of the matter is this boy is from orissa,one of the two brothers who were taken by their widowed mother to Lily Daniel for marriage.Because she did not take interest in this matter...ofcourse only influential and well to do people will be in her good books,.....was denied the privilige.So mother found herself a girl and approached JK,GK,and they conducted this wedding.This family opened their home for LEF sunday meetings when we dint have a place in Jeypore in orissa.So i dont think there's nothing wrong in helping this family.But the saddest part is GK demanded the widow to buy airtickets to and fro from wedding to hyd..it adds to their expense..what a great service to the widows in LEF who opened her home in most difficult part of Orissa..
ReplyDeletepoor simple honest hard working GK wants to fly, on anothers exepnse what a joke, hope a 5 star room was not included with a car. Simplicity means many things
Deletedear WB , i commented about GK conducting this widow's son & it is not posted why? you don't like to hear good about GK?
DeleteKindly use full names. GK,JK...not many people know these codes.
DeleteAnonymous April 08, 2016 7:32 AM, Not sure what you are talking about. Please resend the comment. Also, please use full names.
DeleteGK is not GK Chesterton...Gnanakalanjiam of BIG centre...JK is Jeya Kristu..book stall manager in HQ
DeleteI never cease to be amazed and horrified at how ready LEF people are, not only to allow these largely ignorant, clownish Daniels, and their equally ignorant and clownish 'evangelist' henchmen, to interfere in their private lives; not only allowing them to interfere, but actually ASKING them to interfere!
ReplyDeleteAnyone who is foolish enough to do this deserves the consequences. Any son or daughter who allows his/her parents to consult the Daniels and henchmen about whom they should marry is a fool and also deserves the consequences. Didn't your parents make sacrifices to educate you? Tell them that you were not educated simply to provide money and status for cult leaders. Listening to your parents' advice on marriage is one thing. Handing over control to a bunch of profligate self-seekers outside of your own family is quite different.
The Daniels are not, and never were, anybody's 'spiritual parents' - unless, of course, you consider yourselves to be the 'spawn of the devil'!
Shame on you all, dupes of the Daniels! Time to grow up and lean on Jesus, not on hirelings.
wow...wel said dear friend.you know what, it is very difficult to change our parents..but God has given us this privilige to know the reality and let us stick to it and be careful not to associate with these daniel clan..and their stouges.Save our children atleast..
DeleteWell said.
ReplyDeleteMy opinion is most of the LEF preachers will come to pulpit to tare down their congregation. These legalistic preachers will try their level best to discourage people and make them cry at the end of the show. they name it as revival and show these crying poor faces in TV broadcasts.
ReplyDeleteI really appreciate the effort of WB. Hope this below article will be an encouragement to the readers. One humble suggestion, who ever is in the dilemma to leave LEF or not, go away from them quickly. Flee from these wicked and trustless teachings as soon as possible.
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When we preach God's Word, we must NOT preach it in such a way that we make God's people feel guilty and condemned.
The Bible tells us to "ENCOURAGE one another" - and to do it "DAILY", if we want to save God's people from "being HARDENED through the DECEITFULNESS of sin" (Heb.3:13). That means that EVERY day, in EVERY message we preach we must ENCOURAGE the believers we preach to. Only thus will we be able to save them from sin. But Satan deceives us into thinking that we can make believers more holy and more devoted to God by making them feel guilty through our preaching. That is a lie.
The Holy Spirit does indeed convict God's children through the preaching of the Word. But He encourages them at the same time too. As we just read, God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world but to save the world. And God did not send His Spirit into the church to condemn believers but to encourage them. God is a God of encouragement. He always lifts up our spirits and gives us HOPE (See Rom.15:5; and 2 Cor.1:3,4). A ministry of condemnation is "an old covenant ministry" that will only lead people to spiritual death (See 2 Cor.3:7-9). The new covenant ministry however is a ministry of life that will lead them to godliness.
Full Article: http://www.cfcindia.com/article/guilttrip-preaching
This article (the link above) very aptly describes Joshua Daniel's 'preaching'! It points out that guilt-trip preaching is usually the province of young, inexperienced men. However if these novices do not obey the promptings of the Holy Spirit to repent of this kind of damaging 'preaching', they are likely still to be doing it in old age. The only congregations they ever acquire consist of their personal admirers, not people genuinely seeking the Lord's wisdom and guidance.
DeleteDoesn't that describe accurately Joshua Daniel and the sycophants who still flock to his organisation, LEF?
After personally watching very close some of the people who claim they are very clise to LD and they are very powerful I am 100% positive LEF has no concern for the soul of people. All the warnings and condeming is just fill the people with fear and guilt to keep them under their control to the maximum. Behind doors they do the very thing they preach against and condemn and ignore and cover up for those who have money or influence. This is abomination. People need to speak up and stand up for What God says to save tge oppressed.
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile, back in Michigan, USA, Betty Daniel is advertising on Facebook the selling off of her secondhand belongings in a local shopping Mall. The proceeds are to go to 'the poor in India and America'. Who could these people be? Betty herself, maybe? Some of her LEF centre-managing relatives in India whose incomes have depreciated because attenders have at last got wise to the cash cow that LEF really is? Or maybe Betty is going to give some of the proceeds to John, Lily and Lydia as a peace offering?
ReplyDeleteWe'll miss those coloured scarves with which you drape your not inconsiderable shoulders on Telegu TV, Betty. However, who are we to consider our own loss when some 'poor person' could be using them as bed sheets?
Here is another suggestion: how about if you and Mr. Betty Daniel stop eating out in restaurants, and instead give that daily expenditure of money to 'poor people in India and the USA'?
the poorest poor are the Daniel family members, so a poor fat lady in USA is sending them money, Betty should sell the old itmes at a higher rate in India as items prayed for and prayed over. This is what the Daniels are going to do in the near future, sell all and give to the poor.... eat spend and run.
DeleteJJD spent the whole easter message in response to WB. But there are thousands and thousands of complains never got any answer. Its because they are pubshed. So more than obeying tge word of God to respond LEF responds to protest. LEF is a political institution not a church where bible ways are followed
ReplyDeleteDid you seen the latest Christ is Victor cover, Madam, Lily Daniel, son John Daniel, daughter in law Bridget Daniel, Daniel children (grand(. but the Easter crowd was definitely less in the Retreat. But Bridget is touted as a missionary to Asia / India, maybe her GPS got wrong, Secondly Christ is victor is a family magazine now, otherwise why should one family members dominate the cover page. More importantly , The Editorial is no not signed, earlier JD was the sign (meaning Joshua / John Daniel), now possibly due to questions of Chairmanship, John is scared to sign. There was a report of ministries , carefully the names of the preachers was omitted. It means that it is a ministry only if the John Daniels attend and preach, Wrongly the LEF is misusing the memory of Vinay Deshpande, who passed away in 1991 (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=104410972). 25 years ago by publishing Vinays testimony , omitting the fact that he is not alive, These Daniel crooks will stop at nothing. Lily Maam, What happened to the Insurance compensation of $1 million received for Vinay by his wife, who gave you the cheque, will you please clarify
DeleteRichest missionary in the world. The only online missionary. Only missionary to ruin others lives and send them to hell
DeleteI heard JD told LEFI Canada on his way out "pay the widow."
DeleteThat is a huge money. Indian rupees close to 60 corers. Can someone give me more light on this? Is this true? We need to fight for the poor widow. Hello Betty can you hear our voice.. Where is your voice support for a poor widow?
DeleteI am wondering details such as did JD take this as a loan from Vinay's widow and make payments and then skip out with the bulk of the money himself when he and LEF CANADA parted ways? That is,JD took the balance for himself and left the Lliability to the Canadians?
DeleteJust sharing my experience as preacher/teacher/facilitator to a small group, I used to feel, I am more inclined to preach to give solution/criticize/condemn the people who do something I thought that’s wrong !!!, this was happening until I realized I am not a solution giver/problem solver/criticizer and started to pray for my own soul and asked for God’s wisdom and God’s Time and humbled myself to extend the grace I received to others or understand I am not extending it’s really changing me. As other brother mentioned daily “Encouragement” is something people desperately need and for a hope that could build them and their family. All I wrote now seems to be something to expect as preacher but along with that, problems that people bring to you expecting you to solve and issues/misunderstandings/conflicts as well drives someone to act weirdly and destroys God’s plan and his wisdom and in this case LEF. These big organizations who separate their followers to just follow them and make them think they are the only door to Heaven these kind of problems are expected. India/our country really needs large amount of good Bible teachers who can inspire and encourage to others read God’s word, so that people STOP thinking they can here God’s word only in church and question/get clarifications on their understanding or what they hear. I just wish everyone understand who our God is and what he’s has done to save us and Humble before him.
ReplyDeleteWB: I am really sorry for your family situation, hope you get peace soon and hurt healed.
Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, as those sent from God.
Delete2 Corinthians 2:17
Dear AnonymousApril 07, 2016 8:39 AM,
DeleteYou truly speak my heart. I moved to US 3 years back and I look at my parents who is suffering with Spiritual Immaturity and they think I'm immature. They are confused moral conscience with the scripture. We DO need good preachers who encourage the people to read Bible and spend meaningful time with GOD everyday. I wish LEGALISM should be replaced by "SCRIPTURE". These LEF crooks doesn't know the doctrine . I called a man who work as a LEF pastor. He was teaching that I should confess my ancestor's sin for forgiveness. He is confused between the Old Testament and New Testament. He says that God gives different understanding to each person . In that case, there is no meaning for doctrine . Anyway, thank you for your comment
WB: Thanks for your reply and ack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpx9ggj_WaY This message in Tamil but would encourage the followers to watch. This encouraging message !!! and would be really an eye opener.
ReplyDeleteThe Guy who is speaking on the video no doubt gives a great message but he is a disaster as a person.
DeleteHe was close to a certain Sri Lankan woman in 2007-2009.
He is an inconsistent church guy.One day he says he is a prophet,the next day a preacher and then a businessman.The point is he lives from his wifes earnings.