My dear readers,
We would like for you all to know that LD and JJD are grooming another thug to start doing their dirty work. Not many people may know him as he is relatively a "new bee" and the latest addition to "rogue team" of LEF. His name is Kirubha Pandian. He is the son of a very pious widow from Madras. Kirubha's initiation into the rogue group happened in a very bizarre way.
Here is some background information that might help our readers understand how Kirubha was welcomed with open arms by Lily Daniel and John Daniel to join the team of thugs.
IC's escapade with women surfaced and the whole LEF people came to know about it (as IC was made to "confess" his sins to LEF people during last year's HQ's Anniversary service). Late JD, LD and JJD assessed the whole thing wrong. In their crooked calculations, late JD, LD and JJD thought that after IC "confesses" his sins to the public, people will fogive IC just like they have been magnanimous to forgive IC for his "minor" infractions. This rogue family somehow thought that IC can be back in LEF business since he "confessed" his sins. But the whole thing got a lot of visibilty and bad publicity, thanks to JD's eldest daughter. With her bombarind IC, her mom(LD), and Gunalan on Face Book, it became impossible for LD to let IC officially back into the "fold." As LD was trying hard to let IC back, JD's eldest daughter did persist in putting pressure through her FB posts not to let IC in. Mean while, IC started blackmailing the rogue family that he will spill the beans on them if he is not let into LEF administration. As they had no way of combating IC, JD's eldest daughter called out for help to nail IC and Kirubha came out with "HOLY INDIGNATION" and promised to help people and volunteered to do "private investigation on IC." Kirubha promised people who engaged him that he will file a criminal case against IC and that he will have TN crime branch investigate into this. A lot of people were optimistic that somebody is willing to take on IC. Kirubha told people that he collected all the records of tapped telephone conversations between IC and his married girl friend and also between IC and LD and other LEF big shots.He also told people that he had some "photo proofs" of IC's escapades with these women in hotels and lodges. Kirubha told people that he had the proof of some nude picture of LEF girls being shared on whatsapp. With the supposedly a huge file of proofs of IC, LD and other rogues' wrong doings, Kirubha disappeared on people he was working with to nail these rogues. People who were eagerly waiting for Kirubha to nail IC were shocked to find out that Kirubha used all these information that he gathered against IC only to strike deal with Lily Daniel. Lily Daniel paid him off and silenced him and retrieved the file from him to suppress all evidence against IC as nailing IC will invariably land this rogue family in trouble. Now Kirubha has the blessings and favor of the all powerful rogue lady head of LEF, the one and only Lily Daniel. Kirubha like others sold his soul to Lily Daniel and is now quickly rising up the ladders of this corrupt LEF kingdom. Eye witnesses have informed us that Kirubha was seen distributing money to police men at Kilpauk cemetery during Joshua Daniel's funeral. Kirubha was also invited to the LEF's General Body meeting that was convened right after last Student's Retreat in January.
We have another thug rising up the ranks, who is being groomed into becoming another IC to take care of all the dirty works of the rogue family. Kirubha also seems to project himself to people as someone who has high connections in government. Like all thugs who get a VIP treatment by this rogue family because they promise to help LEF with their "high connections," Kirubha also has got a red carpet invitation to join LEF administration and he seemed to have carved out a niche for himself in LEF administration.
We, the whistle blowers want to put on record that Kirubha Pandian is guilty of the following things and we have following concerns about his involvement in LEF administration:
1. Kirubha is misusing the connections with TN cyber crime department to suppress evidence against criminals like IC who have abused a lot of people.
2. Kirubha is bribing the TN police and other officials to stall investigation that could potentially lead to prosecuting people (including Daniel family members) who have carried out a lot of criminal activities in LEF.
3. Kirubha is in possession of very sensitive and classified information, including but not limited to nude pictures of women (who were already victimized by IC).
4. Since Kirubha is in possession of the nude pictures of these victims, we are afraid that he might use these pictures to blackmail the girls into doing sexual favors to other thugs. We are further worried that some of these girls might resort to some extreme measures such as suicide due to the blackmailing and other threats they might be facing from Kirubha.
5. We are extremely concerned about the safety of the women and girls of LEF who might come in contact with Kirubha, who is known to have a history of immoral acts.
6. Kirubha is working very closely with John Raja to take care of LEF affairs. Kirubha is suspected of being instrumental in tapping the telephone conversations of lot of private citizens. Some of these private citizens are actively trying to reach out to the victims of sexual abuse and Kirubha is suspected of using tapped telephone conversations to silence the victims so that the crimes of perpetrators are not exposed.
It is just appalling that this rogue family has turned LEF into a place where thugs and rogues are not only welcomed but also put on pedestals. Please try and protect your children and women from coming in contact with these thugs who are roaming scot-free in LEF centers.
We would like for you all to know that LD and JJD are grooming another thug to start doing their dirty work. Not many people may know him as he is relatively a "new bee" and the latest addition to "rogue team" of LEF. His name is Kirubha Pandian. He is the son of a very pious widow from Madras. Kirubha's initiation into the rogue group happened in a very bizarre way.
Here is some background information that might help our readers understand how Kirubha was welcomed with open arms by Lily Daniel and John Daniel to join the team of thugs.
IC's escapade with women surfaced and the whole LEF people came to know about it (as IC was made to "confess" his sins to LEF people during last year's HQ's Anniversary service). Late JD, LD and JJD assessed the whole thing wrong. In their crooked calculations, late JD, LD and JJD thought that after IC "confesses" his sins to the public, people will fogive IC just like they have been magnanimous to forgive IC for his "minor" infractions. This rogue family somehow thought that IC can be back in LEF business since he "confessed" his sins. But the whole thing got a lot of visibilty and bad publicity, thanks to JD's eldest daughter. With her bombarind IC, her mom(LD), and Gunalan on Face Book, it became impossible for LD to let IC officially back into the "fold." As LD was trying hard to let IC back, JD's eldest daughter did persist in putting pressure through her FB posts not to let IC in. Mean while, IC started blackmailing the rogue family that he will spill the beans on them if he is not let into LEF administration. As they had no way of combating IC, JD's eldest daughter called out for help to nail IC and Kirubha came out with "HOLY INDIGNATION" and promised to help people and volunteered to do "private investigation on IC." Kirubha promised people who engaged him that he will file a criminal case against IC and that he will have TN crime branch investigate into this. A lot of people were optimistic that somebody is willing to take on IC. Kirubha told people that he collected all the records of tapped telephone conversations between IC and his married girl friend and also between IC and LD and other LEF big shots.He also told people that he had some "photo proofs" of IC's escapades with these women in hotels and lodges. Kirubha told people that he had the proof of some nude picture of LEF girls being shared on whatsapp. With the supposedly a huge file of proofs of IC, LD and other rogues' wrong doings, Kirubha disappeared on people he was working with to nail these rogues. People who were eagerly waiting for Kirubha to nail IC were shocked to find out that Kirubha used all these information that he gathered against IC only to strike deal with Lily Daniel. Lily Daniel paid him off and silenced him and retrieved the file from him to suppress all evidence against IC as nailing IC will invariably land this rogue family in trouble. Now Kirubha has the blessings and favor of the all powerful rogue lady head of LEF, the one and only Lily Daniel. Kirubha like others sold his soul to Lily Daniel and is now quickly rising up the ladders of this corrupt LEF kingdom. Eye witnesses have informed us that Kirubha was seen distributing money to police men at Kilpauk cemetery during Joshua Daniel's funeral. Kirubha was also invited to the LEF's General Body meeting that was convened right after last Student's Retreat in January.
We have another thug rising up the ranks, who is being groomed into becoming another IC to take care of all the dirty works of the rogue family. Kirubha also seems to project himself to people as someone who has high connections in government. Like all thugs who get a VIP treatment by this rogue family because they promise to help LEF with their "high connections," Kirubha also has got a red carpet invitation to join LEF administration and he seemed to have carved out a niche for himself in LEF administration.
We, the whistle blowers want to put on record that Kirubha Pandian is guilty of the following things and we have following concerns about his involvement in LEF administration:
1. Kirubha is misusing the connections with TN cyber crime department to suppress evidence against criminals like IC who have abused a lot of people.
2. Kirubha is bribing the TN police and other officials to stall investigation that could potentially lead to prosecuting people (including Daniel family members) who have carried out a lot of criminal activities in LEF.
3. Kirubha is in possession of very sensitive and classified information, including but not limited to nude pictures of women (who were already victimized by IC).
4. Since Kirubha is in possession of the nude pictures of these victims, we are afraid that he might use these pictures to blackmail the girls into doing sexual favors to other thugs. We are further worried that some of these girls might resort to some extreme measures such as suicide due to the blackmailing and other threats they might be facing from Kirubha.
5. We are extremely concerned about the safety of the women and girls of LEF who might come in contact with Kirubha, who is known to have a history of immoral acts.
6. Kirubha is working very closely with John Raja to take care of LEF affairs. Kirubha is suspected of being instrumental in tapping the telephone conversations of lot of private citizens. Some of these private citizens are actively trying to reach out to the victims of sexual abuse and Kirubha is suspected of using tapped telephone conversations to silence the victims so that the crimes of perpetrators are not exposed.
It is just appalling that this rogue family has turned LEF into a place where thugs and rogues are not only welcomed but also put on pedestals. Please try and protect your children and women from coming in contact with these thugs who are roaming scot-free in LEF centers.
there is one more same story but covered up by LD who is on the pedestal knows lot of rowdies from political side and police.
ReplyDeleteThis Kirubha has so much political back ground and influence. By his influence only they got a place in Kilpauk for JDs funeral, other wise they refused to give a place for burial. Whether he is converted or not no one knows be cause very rarely we have seen him in worship or any other meetings. But now a days he is regular. But there is a talk that this Kirubha only caught IC red handedly, and brought out the news. any how LEF is now such a pathetic stage. Its grieving our hearts.
ReplyDeleteDear brother am just a small person it's only d lords hand which bought out things, salvation needs to be worked out with fear and trembling, not just pleasing human beings, even now I don't attend Lef worship,
ReplyDeleteI am definitely touched by your humility. The Lord's hand brought things out...hmmm!!! But God's hand also was cut short abruptly so that IC is let go scot-free after all the atrocities he has done against a lot of innocent people. Why? Is it because if the God's hand went any further than this, the rogue family that you are trying to help will be exposed and put behind bars? How can you be small man, my dear friend? You are a big man because you decide where to stop God's hand. You are a big man because you are now LD's right and you are also close associate of John Raja.Your relatives are ministers, at least that's what you claim. You claim to have contacts in PM's office. You are a big man...In any case, your humility touched me.
DeleteDude or Dudette whoever you are! you're doing something that we've always envisioned. And I am so happy to see some truth shine forth.
ReplyDeleteI really really would like some light to shed upon the sad state of Bangalore Center. Boy oh Boy it used to be such a nice close knit family back then but now the Mrs SD and her last son has made it into a proper cult.
Can you believe this? this is so silly that even a secular would find it so laughable but at the same time astonishing. This so called head of the center SD does not allow anyone to play the drums for the worship - barring her son. Like he's some professional drummer. lol hahahahah anyways I have so much to talk about the atrocities but I'm not sure if it's welcome
you are right. for the past 20 years i se people acting soo humble in front JDLD and nowJJD as soon as leave they are soo opposite. Everybody is talking how much hyppocracy. I am sure LD knows this and how people talk bad about all this. But they themselves are like this. All along LD and their followers has been trying to use peoples fear of God to loot as much as they can before God does something. Never seen Goddless people yes even Hindus have some integrity
DeleteBangalore is the fastest growing city in Asia and one can meet all nationalities in the city, unfortunately the LEF has adopted an attitude to eat drink spend and be merry, and occasionally attend a wedding reception. Never in known history was a meeting held to discuss on the problems faced by the centres or on any monetary support from Bangalore. The only burning question is “How can my children sit on the throne”. LD, JJD, JD never asked a single question to Peace as the unwritten agreement was “You muddle in Bangalore only and not in other parts of India / world and we will ask you no questions, you also don’t ask us any, the money you get as offerings is yours to spend”. Peace was happy as she though that this agreement will automatically upgrade her children to ruling class. The first son was promoted against the reservations of senior servants of God and he made a mess of things, so the agreement totters, now the second is being pushed forward though he can’t preach two intelligible sentences. The first step is to prevent others from playing on the drums set (bought with LEF offerings), this is the identity for the second son, that he only should play, when JD prevented others from playing on the piano (except Lizard his spirit filled daughter), same rules must to apply isn’t it. Your observation “for the past 20 years i see people acting so humble in front JDLD and now JD as soon as leave they are so opposite. Everybody is talking how much hypocrisy. I am sure LD knows this and how people talk bad about all this. But they themselves are like this. All along LD and their followers has been trying to use people’s fear of God to loot as much as they can before God does something. Never seen Godless people yes even Hindus have some integrity” is 100 % correct. Btw one really enterprising Mr.Milk started a Lebanon Evangelical Fellowship on the net, used showed pictures of LEF Medical camps, and even collected online donations (direct to his own account), Yes he is highly enterprising. He said both IC and John Raja (Peace also knew about this) had given him permissions, No action was taken on him. All the hair dyes and skin treatments can’t hide the fact of advancing age, the LEF has no policy of retirement / dismissal, so we all wait for Mr. Amos Methuselahs and Ms.Everlastings to leave for happy hunting grounds before the centres change to a place of worship from a den of thieves.
DeleteWhile there's truth to the above. It needs some clarification - the drumkit was not bought from the offerings but was a gift
DeleteAnd also the fact about the offertory money not reaching the HQ is also false! If you need any proof - I've been very close to them and hence the confidence. The rest of it am not sure but if it is true it's indeed sad
DeleteJust a thought - We are all here to expose the truth. So let's get our facts right or we may soon find ourselves distorting the truth further more
Anonymous @12:13 pm on 17th
DeleteJust a clarification.........Was it a personal gift or a gift to the church. That makes a lot of difference.. If it s meant for use in the worship If it is a gift to the church then oh yes it amounts to an offering in kind and should be legitimately used by any member without discrimination and of course he must know how to play it.
A personal gift should not be housed in a church, but in the home of the person to whom it was given.
DeleteThere is no place in Christian worship for a drum kit. God does not need every beat of a simple hymn tune to be emphasised by the unlovely and raucous crashings of percussion implements normally employed by so-called 'rock musicians' who usually cannot tell the difference between a crotchet and a quaver.
Whichever way you look at it, this drum kit brings dissension and cacophony to what is supposed to be a reverent and glorifying tribute to the Saviour. Let the Daniel family member who monopolises it take it away and try to earn his living in a third -rate 'pop' group. Neither he nor it will be any loss to God-fearing Christian worshippers.
The late JD had Mercs and Volkswagen Van in the 70's when owning cars was a luxury.When asked he said that it was a gift from LEF Germany.Mrs.S.D ,the late JD's sister in law and Lily's cousin must ponder over the idea of fooling people saying that the Drums were a gift.
Delete1.Why cant she (Peace Daniel or SD) get a preacher from the local LEF group or one of the LEF Karnataka Evangelists to preach on Sundays.This sunday (26th April) i was told that Dr.Jayanth would be preaching in Bangalore.While we have no problem over anyone preaching in Bangalore it is unfair to deny Bro.David (chikballapur),Bro.Daniel Job(Hassan) ,Bro.Babu (Mysore) ,Dr.Milton (Tumkur) and the KGF evangelist the privilege of preaching in Bangalore.
So madam SD have some consideration.If your ego doesnt allow you to get evangelists from other LEF Karnataka centers get your own LEF Bangalore elders like Bro.Abraham Jeremiah or Jeremiah Ongulu to preach.You would be doing good to us if you ask your neice ,her chatterbox husband or your nephew in bangalore to preach coz we can take a nap.
Should a drum set make this big issue - about its donor, receiver, drummer, noise it makes etc?
DeleteAnonymous April 20 @ 9.58am
DeleteThe controversy relating to the 'drum set' seems to be one of the symptoms of LEF's lack of true Christian spirituality, so yes, in a way it is a significant issue. Getting rid of it would be an excellent idea, but one doubts that this alone would eradicate the deep-seated rot.......however one could start by eradicating the drum set (and its exclusive 'performer'), and work up to the eradication of the whole Daniel tribe. Practice makes perfect .......
Dear Anonymous you said " You would be doing good to us if you ask your neice ,her chatterbox husband or your nephew in bangalore to preach coz we can take a nap", One can't select relatives relatives, thanks but why should I make you take a nap ?, You can sleep on your own isn't it. FYI I have never preached in Bangalore so I dont know whether my preaching will l make you sleep. You have given a lot of advice But I want you to please tell this advice face to face, that is I dont like people who act by bending their backs, bowing their heads and saying namasthe while they fall at the feet to lick boots and once the seniors back is turned become brave and give great advice (I am bored seeing this daily behaviour).
DeleteAnonymous @ April20th 9 58
DeleteRightly said the drums issue is only a symptom of the serious rot inside. Like this issue there are many more symptoms in LEF which a discerning person identify. So no point in talking or curing the symptom leaving the disease unattended. So let us not worry about who plays the piano or the drum but rather prayerfully consider quitting LEF once for all leaving the founders family with their Merc cars, steinway pianos buildings and what not......... let us hold on to our faith in Jesus and not side tracked by all these evils.
Lot of comments here depending on their knowledge, interaction, second hand and third hand info; their inclinations, preferences, liking, beliefs, personal hatred, etc. etc. There is also 'COURAGE' which some people think they have when they do not know there are some in audience who know their entire history!
DeleteAnonymous @ April21 @ 6: 22
Delete"Lots of comments here......."..... In response to the above First of all people comment based on their info, personal interaction etc.. etc.. that is what you u can see in any blog.. nothing unusual. Your comment about COURAGE is rather intriguing Having or thinking to have COURAGE is not a sin ........about the histor part of every body , I think every body knows every body else' s history especially if you are in a group like a church or something. Knowing somebody s history does not give the person in knowledge the right to subvert or balckmail or slight a person This isnot christianity we have know right to know! the history of another person for the purpose of using it against him/her. If you feel the comments posted here are false, or untrue you can counter it ...... I think that is the correct spirit rather than indirectly telling the commenter (Whom you assume as one ) to shut up and tell him hey know about you.
Bro.Francis died in 2002.So for 13 years Bangalore has been waiting for a full time evangelist.Is there any other LEF Center anywhere in India where there is no full time evangelist.It is Bangalore LEF's best known secret that the lady is keeping the hot seat vacant for Calu .SD please don't practice nepotism.
DeleteDefinition of Nepotism (Must know for LEF people)
DeletePractice of appointing relatives and friends in one's organization to positions for which outsiders might be better qualified. Despite its negative connotations, nepotism (if applied sensibly) is an important and positive practice in the startup and formative years of a firm where complete trust and willingness to work hard (for little or no immediate reward) are critical for its survival.
I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of His chosen angels, to maintain these principles without bias, doing nothing in a spirit of partiality.” (1 Timothy 5:213)
DeleteThe things which you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses, entrust these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also. (2 Timothy 2:2)
Anonymous April 21 @ 10: 17 a.m Thanks for quoting the bible in the present scenario. I hope the readers will be enlightened. " doing nothing in partiality " " and entrust these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also "
DeleteAnonymous April 21, 2015 9:51 AM,
DeleteIn Delhi the capital of India, more than 28 years there is no full time Evangelist. and like wise there are so many centers in LEF without a full time evangelist. This is one of the Trick of LEF to get Money.
First can some one tell the higher ups in LEF to stop playing the DVDs of Daniel children singing in the midst of regular service even in the midst of prayer meetings for the elders who passed away. It is so awkward and the people who do not belong to LEF laugh at it. What is the need for repeatedly playing these DVD s as if there are no other children of that age in the LEF centres who can sing much better than them. If it s a live performance , at least it can be tolerated. It s really awful and how we can worship God in such an environment where the designs and motives of the people in the helm are so blatantly revealed by such behaviour. Really awful.. I pity the people who are still trapped in LEF and be a mute spectator of all such TAMASHA This one i think will be the GREAT LEF TAMASHA I really pity the children as well. Hope oneday they come out and protest that such DVDs should not be played anymore!!!!!!! High hopes !
DeleteObviously he is allergic to Daniel children's singing!
DeleteSuch singing by Daniel children apparently started long ago with Liz Van Camp as a little girl. See Christian Gurus – Part 3 – Joshua Daniel
Delete"Then his eight year old daughter came to the microphone and sang a solo ..."
Sadly 10 years later Liz Van Camp (is said to have) eloped and got married when her parents had come to India for the May Retreat. But still the LEF continues this practice!
Please go ahead and tell the whole world all the atrocities you have witnessed. It is important for people to be made aware. Even If one person chooses to walk away sensing that what is happening in LEF is not acceptable by any moral standards, we will consider that our efforts have paid off. In today's world, there is more than enough injustice happening to people in the secular world because of unjust bosses, politicians and bureaucrats. How much sense does it make for people to be bullied in a church- a place that is supposed to give solace to battered individuals? Anything we can do to warn people to stay away will make a difference. Please feel free to send your input. We will never know who may be watching the blog and which government official might get interested to investigate more into the affairs of this corrupt organization which was once boasted to be a hope to India.
ReplyDeletethis is serious. we must stall this kirubha, the opportunist from further ruining. pl find way
ReplyDeleteThe way is "SIMPLE" - "STOP going to LEF".
ReplyDeleteIf you keep feeding the bandicoots they will multiply and keep doing what they are doing. So better stop feeding them and they will die on their own. There is no better solution.
"Now Korah the son of Izhar, the son of Kohath, the son of Levi, with Dathan and Abiram the sons of Eliab, and On the son of Peleth, sons of Reuben, took men; and they rose up before Moses with some of the children of Israel, two hundred and fifty leaders of the congregation, representatives of the congregation, men of renown. They gathered together against Moses and Aaron, and said to them, “You take too much upon yourselves, for all the congregation is holy, every one of them, and the Lord is among them. Why then do you exalt yourselves above the assembly of the Lord?”
ReplyDeleteSo when Moses heard it, he fell on his face; and he spoke to Korah and all his company, saying, “Tomorrow morning the Lord will show who is His and who is holy, and will cause him to come near to Him. That one whom He chooses He will cause to come near to Him. Do this: Take censers, Korah and all your company; put fire in them and put incense in them before the Lord tomorrow, and it shall be that the man whom the Lord chooses is the holy one. You take too much upon yourselves, you sons of Levi!”
Then Moses said to Korah, “Hear now, you sons of Levi: Is it a small thing to you that the God of Israel has separated you from the congregation of Israel, to bring you near to Himself, to do the work of the tabernacle of the Lord, and to stand before the congregation to serve them; and that He has brought you near to Himself, you and all your brethren, the sons of Levi, with you? And are you seeking the priesthood also? Therefore you and all your company are gathered together against the Lord. And what is Aaron that you complain against him?”
And Moses sent to call Dathan and Abiram the sons of Eliab, but they said, “We will not come up! Is it a small thing that you have brought us up out of a land flowing with milk and honey, to kill us in the wilderness, that you should keep acting like a prince over us? Moreover you have not brought us into a land flowing with milk and honey, nor given us inheritance of fields and vineyards. Will you put out the eyes of these men? We will not come up!”
Then Moses was very angry, and said to the Lord, “Do not respect their offering. I have not taken one donkey from them, nor have I hurt one of them.”
And Moses said to Korah, “Tomorrow, you and all your company be present before the Lord—you and they, as well as Aaron. Let each take his censer and put incense in it, and each of you bring his censer before the Lord, two hundred and fifty censers; both you and Aaron, each with his censer.” So every man took his censer, put fire in it, laid incense on it, and stood at the door of the tabernacle of meeting with Moses and Aaron. And Korah gathered all the congregation against them at the door of the tabernacle of meeting. Then the glory of the Lord appeared to all the congregation.
And the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying, “Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment.”
Then they fell on their faces, and said, “O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and You be angry with all the congregation?”
So the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak to the congregation, saying, ‘Get away from the tents of Korah, Dathan, and Abiram.’” - Number 16:1-24
Anonymous @ April 16 at 11 37 p.m
DeleteWhom you are trying to compare with Moses and Aaron in LEF. Can u explain a little in addition to the references from the Bible .I hope it will benefit the readers. Hope you dont compare JD, LD and JJD with Moses
FYI Moses did not appoint his sons for leadership , He appointed Joshua who was his servant, Hope your message is understood by the LEF rouge family
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous April 21, 2015 9:51 AM, the LEF bangalore is the playground, colony and catchment pond for the SD family, No normal rules apply for them. Why 13 years for 23 years also the post will be kept vacant. If Callu baby is formally appointed, then what about first baby, Secondly why should Callu baby come away from HQ (with its own plots and backstabbing), So the status quo will continue, btw what does the newborn president of LEF think on this will he act on this
ReplyDeleteDear AnonymousApril 17, 2015 12:21 PM, you are so close to see the accounts, but other thing you are not sure, why this double game?. You have not given any proof, just a vain boast that you are very close , An accountant needs audited financial statements. Confidences / Feelings have no place in Finance.How much percentage of offertory money reaches the HQ and how much the family spend As you are so close please check and inform.You informed you have proof please share it
ReplyDeleteAnd also the fact about the offertory money not reaching the HQ is also false! If you need any proof - I've been very close to them and hence the confidence. The rest of it am not sure but if it is true it's indeed sad
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ReplyDeleteI would not normally watch any material promoted online by the LEF, but was intrigued to know what had taken place in the recent 'students' camp', so I watched John Daniel's final 'message'.
I observed: Some very dubious 'music' (who are these people who sing loudly into mikes and crash on drums and guitars?......): A man who urged the congregation to buy some booklets written (ineptly) by Joshua Daniel and others of his family - this potential vendor displayed little enthusiasm for the wares he was peddling, and who can blame him?: A video of 'the Daniel children' singing something or other, to the accompaniment of an over-loud backing track (are there no pianists in South Bend?); hardly 'children' any more, since they must be in their twenties now - however they have had the benefit of many years of tuition in producing unconvincing hand gestures and sickly smiles. We must nevertheless remember, with compassion, that they are victims of lifetimes of Daniel brain-washing .......
There was an elderly Australian who talked, but I skipped his contribution as I was eager to see the NGM (New Great Man), John Daniel, in performance, following the revelations posted here about the long term abuse in LEF perpetrated by his parents and others of his family. What could he be about to say?
Not a lot, really! Departing participants should buy food for their journey at the 'tuck shop'; interesting use of this now archaic English expression for a food-selling outlet, normally encountered in old books about English boarding schools of the 19th and early 20th century - curious terminology for an Indian gathering in 2015! Maybe the notion of peddling food to naive school children is the key here. Mr. Daniel jnr. urged his audience to gulp down their supper in order not to miss a showing of a video detailing the triumphs of his late father's ministry (no surprise there, then) - which, he emphasised, was also available for purchase.
I waited expectantly for words of spiritual wisdom, perhaps even an evidenced refutation of the accusations against his family, which could not have by-passed the students whom he was addressing. In vain did I wait. He quacked and waddled like a duck, in order to explain what seemed to be the substance of his 'message': that Christians must be careful not to associate with those who are bad influences. Unbelievable choice of subject! Was he asleep at his late father's memorial service when his brother James, with admirable courage and integrity, publicly related how he had told his father face-to-face that he (Joshua) was heading a 'goonda' fellowship, and that he (James) would not keep the kind of bad company that his father (Joshua) did?
I pressed the 'done' button not long afterwards. One can only take so much blatant hypocrisy (which no amount of quacking and grinning can make palatable); not before noticing, however, that Mr. Daniel jnr. still seems unable to pronounce the word 'God' correctly. I once knew a youngster who kept saying the word 'God' as if it rhymed with 'toad', or 'mode', hence 'goad'. This youngster asserted, 'that is how John Daniel says it'; and so, at the student retreat, we had 'goadless', and had I listened further I might have heard 'goad-fearing'. The youngster, despite his strange incorporation of a 'Johndanielism' pronunciation into his own speech, had been brought up to speak 'English' English in England.
Here is a synopsis of the above meanderings:
ReplyDelete1. LEF retreats demonstrate third-rate content put out by visibly unenthusiastic participants who quite often want to sell you something.
2. Hypocrisy seems to be the LEF key factor.
3. Young people can be schooled by habit into accepting and revering anyone, however nonsensical and unedifying the utterances they produce. 'Goad'????? I think not........
.....oh, and I forgot to add to the above account of the 2015 'student retreat' that it was announced that a 'special offering' would be collected. The announcement signally failed to specify for whom this was intended, or why it was 'special'. A prize will be given for the best suggestion (and if you believe that, you are well qualified to become a regular LEF attender).