Sunday, September 25, 2016

REUNIONS AND CELEBRATIONS ARE IN FULL SWING IN DANIEL FAMILY...ANYONE INTERESTED IN JOINING THE PARTY???

Prodigal mom has come home to the "loving daughter's house." In the story from the Bible, when the prodigal son returned home to the loving father, a poor calf was chopped for the people to feast and celebrate!!! It will be interesting to see who is getting "chopped" and will be served on the plates when the Daniel family prodigals are coming home!!! 
While fighting and then patching up is the drama in almost every family, this family takes both the fighting and the subsequent patching up to a whole different level. When they fight, they make it sound like it is a spiritual warfare. The "prayer warrior", pastor Betty Daniel showed holy indignation to rip her mother apart calling her Jezebel who is killing the prophets (obviously Kamala Paul and Whitson Paul whom Lily Daniel drove out of HQ). For those fools and sycophants who are in all awe and getting into a trance, here are some of the things this Betty Daniel posted about her mother: not long along but just in April.































FAST FORWARD TO SEPTEMBER AND THIS IS WHAT SHE WRITES AFTER POSTING "CUTE" PICTURE OF HER "POOR FRAIL MOTHER" IN HER HOME FILLED WITH "LOVE." 



The utter shamelessness of these people and the fools in LEF who celebrate this shamelessness by posting comments is beyond loathsome. After all the public railing she has done accusing her mother on a public platform for starving her dad to death, Betty Daniel now says that her mother ("father's widow," whatever that means !!!) is now threatened by Hindus who are posing as Christians.
What a poor joke this woman is? It is these Daniel family rogues who act like chameleons and change colors at the drop of a hat. To book this wicked old woman who destroyed the lives of so many innocent people (especially girls), no Hindu with a RSS flag has to pose as Christian. They can accomplish that job by being Hindus. When she fought with her mother, Betty Daniel called her mom a Jezebel and proclaimed a holy war against her mother. Now that she is trying to patch up with the mother, she now wants to proclaim another holy war and this time it is against whistle blowers posing as Christians. So, all the petty fights and the subsequent family drama that plays out is all "spiritual warfare." Either this woman Betty Daniel has acute mental disorder or is under influence of drugs while she writes these posts. What will clinically be termed as mental conditions such as schizophrenia and bi-polar disorders are given pretty colors of Godliness and Spirituality in LEF. Many of these people should not even be allowed to take care of a dog leave alone souls of people.
LEF people get ready for another drama in a few more days!!! Who knows Betty Daniel madam could get back on the stage to "motivate" our youth. Motivate the youth to do what ??? You all know what!!! What will a woman who is married thrice have to offer to the crowds? She can give all your children the tricks and skills to navigate in and out of marriages. Don't worry. Your children can still have a title "Pastor" even after going through bunch of marriages. But wait a second...aren't all LEF people supposed to marry only people inside LEF? Oh boy, that will be scary as all these recycling of people through multiple marriages will be all within the LEF family. Good luck, LEF people as you all are now at a threshold of new era of multiple marriages in LEF. "More the merrier is the motto" which is now going to apply to the number of marriages one will be allowed to go through with the auspices of LEF head family...

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  1. If people walk in blindly to follow these wicked Daniels, then no one can help them. not even God

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    1. Betty's first Rant dated April 12 has factual inaccuracies.

      She says that she kept calling her mom in November asking her if she could come and see her dad.If that was Nov 2014 JD was not alive.If it was Nov 2013 all she had to do was drive from South Bend to Michigan.Relations between JD and Betty were not strained in 2013.Betty married Chuck on 7th of July 2014 .Was betty trying to score a point over her mother and brother in that facebook post?.

      Betty are you lying in facebook.Please be consistent in your lies.

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    2. A match was sought for a person. After a long time he got a job in college. One lady used to get info about him everyday from his colleagues. He didn't know that he got a good match. But the girl didn't like it. So she manipulated his colleagues and he lost his job because of her. Why? She wanted to tell LD that he didn't have any job . And it's possible to marry him without a job. If he'd been in job, experience would have counted him and got UGC scale of salary. This is what a girl could do in lef. It's just a sample.

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    3. Today my house owner told me "someone spoiled your match". I still don't know understand one thing. Why do christians behave cheaply Spoiling someone's matches? What's is this all ? My house owner is a poisonous snake. I got a doubt. Did others in church spoil your matches, whistleblower?

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    4. Today my house owner told me "someone spoiled your match". I still don't know understand one thing. Why do christians behave cheaply Spoiling someone's matches? What's is this all ? My house owner is a poisonous snake. I got a doubt. Did others in church spoil your matches, whistleblower?

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  2. No one takes Betty's rantings on facebook seriously.She is craving for attention .Betty's volley of frustrations vented against Gunalan,IC are because she is frustrated with her mom and her brother.Will her friends must tell her that she must do her ministry with her husband chuck and forget LEF?. Indian's are no more gullible followers of Daniels.The present generation of people in LEF watch Tele Evangelists and know what is best for them.If they attend LEF it is just to meet their friends and socialize but not for spiritual enrichment which is non existent in LEF.

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    1. Anon. 11.13pm

      I hope you don't mean that LEF people should watch tele-evangelists in order to obtain 'spiritual enrichment'! Such broadcasters are an even bigger bunch of crooks and deceivers than the Daniel family. Some LEF people's FB posts indicate that they do admire evil frauds like the Korean Yonggi Cho, Benny Hinn, Paula White, William Branham, Joel Osteen and Joyce Meyer. Betty Daniel openly admires these kinds of people, and tries to imitate their style. That is because LEF teaches that people who set themselves up as spiritual leaders, even if obviously imitation 'christians', must never be questioned or doubted.......with the Daniels top of the list! Nobody in LEF dares to exercise discernment, which makes them all gullible and sitting ducks for exploitation by any false teacher, not just the Daniels and their henchmen.

      One of the main warnings to God's people throughout the Bible is against being in fellowship with deceiving hirelings, false prophets, wolves in sheep's clothing who will devour the flock. The Daniels, including Betty, have a vested interest in dissuading people from exercising discernment ; if people exercise discernment, the Daniels (including Betty) are amongst those who must be dismissed from any genuinely biblical Christian fellowship.

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    2. I love my mom. How is she?send me her pic.

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  3. what is Madam Lily doing with Betty who has been denied for LEF pulpit ? why does she want to carry? Has JJD approved?

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  4. After reading betty's facebook message praising Trump i can understand why she likes him.She shares a trait with him.Well you girls & guys identify the similarities between trump and betty.

    Betty is like trump (thrice married)

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  5. This is the last chance for Betty the fatty to work her way into the LEF riches. As soon as her mother or fathers widow or grandfather's fathers grand daughter dies the door will be firmly shut.Money is running out possibly husband has wandering eyes. Betty had promised him a luxurious life in India as spiritual father to thousands. It didn't workout. Now the oy way is to become an old counselor to the youth. There is a twist in this prodigal sons story. Each day one will go out with money and one more will return after smsing dad to cut 2 fatted calves. All this drama is done because poor people are defrauded and the loot is spent. Stop giving money

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  6. The eccentricies and dirty deeds of Betty Daniel would be irrelevant were she and her family not esteemed by many ignorant, vulnerable people (and a few educated ones who have their own agenda). Betty plasters her intimate thoughts over Facebook, parades herself as a self-appointed 'spiritual leader', and blocks any comments that even politely question her narcissistic rantings. She has appointed herself as a 'pastor'. She does not understand the Bible well enough to know that women are specifically prohibited from such a role, and why. It looks as if Betty is making headway into worming her way back on to LEF retreat platforms - adding another biblically illiterate person to the Australians and Americans (or quasi-Americans) who dominate them.

    John Branch was banned from LEF because he committed long-term adultery, causing his wife to divorce him (as she was entitled to do, since adultery breaks the marriage bond). Even the devious Daniels could not suppress that bit of news, though Lily and John tried to. What about Betty Daniel?

    The Bible does allow for re-marriage in certain circumstances: If an unbelieving spouse refuses to live with a spouse who has become a believer, or if one spouse commits adultery. In such cases the innocent part may remarry, although it is expected that he/she will have made some effort to preserve the union if at all possible.

    Setting aside (but only for a moment) the specific biblical embargo on women preaching, teaching where men are present, or taking any spiritual authority over men, what is Betty's spiritual position in respect of her multiple 'marriages'? She married three men, all still living. One was many years younger than her and some kind of 'rock band' player, one she ran away with and married in rebellion against her father. For Betty's third 'marriage' to be valid and for her to be blameless, in Christian terms, the divorces would have to be because of 1. or 2. above.

    When did Betty (allegedly) become a Christian? Was it after she married husband no. 1, who then refused to live with her? Did husband no. 2 do likewise? Or, did both husbands commit adultery? A man married more than once should only hold a spiritual office legitimately (and hence effectively) if previous spouses had died, and he had been widowed before embarking on the next union (Betty, although quite 'mannish ', is not a man). However if either of the above had happened more than once, the man's lack of integrity in choosing a spouse would also preclude him from office. Twice (like Betty) is therefore unacceptable.

    LEF's hypocrisy might allow Betty to regain a foothold on its platform because
    1. Joshua Daniel appeared to agree to the Biblical position of women in the church (see above), EXCEPT WITHIN HIS OWN FAMILY. His wife Lily 'preached' quite frequently, and still does. There is no excuse for her. It also seems that his mother wielded a lot of power over both him and his supporters (her title 'Mother Daniel', indicates this).
    2. Betty Daniel had already been allowed to exercise authority on LEF platforms even before her third 'marriage'. Her (painful) singing and piano playing provided the gateway. Moreover her father bought an expensive piano, from LEF offerings, for her exclusive use. She has a number of deluded supporters in LEF who would like to see her back, not because that would be biblically appropriate (LEF people have little or no understanding of biblical principles because their leaders neither understand nor teach doctrine), but because they believe all the hype Betty transmits on FB and Indian TV, and/or think that anything has to be better than Lily's and/or John's dictatorship.

    Betty expects her public 'spiritual outpourings' to be respected despite her dubious and unexplained marital history, and her instability as demonstrated by WB above. For that reason her marriage and divorce history needs to be made just as public. Any offers?

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  7. Betty madam started her mud-slinging. There is one department in which Betty Daniel has come of age -peddling lies and half truths. She forgets to tell complete truth that Betty Daniel madam wanted help from these "RSS" people from Texas to fight for her right of getting on LEF stage as the eldest grand daughter of her grandfather ( N. Daniel is the grandfather!). And she also doesn't tell the complete truth that it is these RSS people who are trying to help the family whose daughter along with her 2-yr old son who is still gone missing (thanks to Lily Daniel the marriage broker who also happens to be the mother of Betty Daniel and Betty Daniel's dad's widow). She also peddles another big lie that some "wife beater" is the writer of this blog. One lie to cover another lie till she gets smothered in the web of lies she has spun around herself all because she cannot accept the simple but bitter truth that her family turned LEF into a den of thieves and looters with her mom heading these pack of thieves.

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    1. Whistleblower 1.48pm

      This is puzzling. How could Betty Daniel expect the help of someone not in LEF to get her back on to LEF stages? From what you write it sounds as if she thought she had some kind of 'legal ' right to take a leading part in religious services just because she is someone 's granddaughter. That certainly shows how little she understands about Christianity, what the Bible says about church leadership, and biblical principles in general. What depths the desire for power and acclaim will make fantasists like Betty sink to! And now she is biting the hand (in Texas!) that she hoped might help to feed her!

      Thinking about 'feeding ', maybe she was after re-establishing her 'cut' in the profits generated by LEF. After all, her younger sister Lydia seems to have acquired ownership of certain properties and assets bought with the tithes and offerings of largely poor Indians. That must hurt Betty's pride. Her brother John, also younger, seems to living in a house designated as an 'LEF Centre', presumably also bought from LEF funds, and has appointed himself the 'pastor ' of a church in Novi, also bought with LEF money, and no doubt maintained from LEF funds, since it has few, if any, in its congregation who are not Daniel family members. Quite a lot of the Daniel family members in both the US and India seem to be using LEF funds and premises for their own purposes. Maybe Betty realises that the days of LEF are numbered, and she doesn't want to be left out when its assets are hurriedly shared out (amongst the Daniels, who we must assume to be the legal owners of such properties as Beulah Gardens, since they will not allow those whose offerings bought these assets to see the actual deeds of ownership).

      It is awfully sad to see what can only be the menopausal, deluded rantings Betty increasingly posts on Facebook. She seems to be more and more losing touch with reality. She is rarely able to compose a complete sentence, but often writes in jerky, incomplete phrases. She has posted a photo of her father (the disgraced Joshua Daniel) next to a posed photo of herself, in which the angles are the same, she is imitating his deceptively benevolent smile, and she has the same kind of black Bible tucked under her arm as he does. The message is clear - 'I am the re-incarnation of the 'great man', I should be your next leader, people of LEF!'.

      She writes about these supposed RSS activists from Texas persecuting 'a missionary family'. What 'missionary family'? Surely she cannot mean the discredited Daniels? Whoever commissioned any of them to be 'missionaries', and 'missionaries' of what religion?

      Her latest husband cannot seem to help her. If anything he merely seems to encourage her fantasies and delusions of grandeur. Her apparently reconciled mother, no longer described by Betty as a 'Jezebel', but now metamorphosed into a frail old 'missionary' lady, will most likely not be able to help (since she is part of Betty's problems, dating back to childhood).

      All very sad..........but this family and their philosophies and worldly desires and ambitions have poisoned the minds and lives of thousands of people, which is why those Daniel family matters which would normally be treated by others with discretion are now being brought to light here.



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  8. The whole family seems to have been (save maybe Joseph and James) mudslingers. Anyone seen as a threat in any way wd. be disparaged, and sometimes in public. A friend whose dad was well-known in Madras was disparaged by LD: he is slow. He's lived in the U.S. and is doing well and gainfully employed. He cut his ties years ago with LEF. Another well-regarded Canadian was slandered by JD to me by phone after his family left the LEF. JDD slandered to me by phone a Canadian leader they were trying to discredit right before the Canadian breakup.He was called, among other things, a brown-noser (chamcha).
    They are manipulators and self-centred to the Nth degree. Is narcissism genetic? Maybe.

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    1. Abusive words, (even from the stage) gossip , slander are the cause of broken relationship. Fear and distrust are generated by the lef leadership. They wound people spiritually.
      The relationship between the leaders and flock - dictator-slave relationship.
      Betty is the product (result) of poor relationship with God and with others.

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    2. A healthy spiritual relationship is built on love trust and communication and agreement with Christ and each other. A good relationship begins with acceptance , caring, sharing. The bible compares the relationship between Christ and believers as a relationship between a bridegroom and a bride.
      Where is this kind of relationship existing in the lef, its members, leadrrs and the Daniel clan???

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  9. Faith-(acceptance*love*trust)-healthy relationship

    (Fear*distrust*abuse)-unhealthy relationship.

    If relationship with Jesus is healthy relationship with others will be healthy.

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  10. The Daniel clan always thinks that they are ordained by God himself and also that the LEF owes them a living. The never had and will work and earn but steal from the offerings and live. The exalted LEF board will always keep quiet. The LEF needs the Daniels as much as a sheep flock needs a family of wolves. Daniels please pack up and leave immediately, you are a disgrace and a sick joke.

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  11. Quoting from the book "God tells the man who cares" by A.W.Tozer, circa 1960 (pg.28): Christians have tended to err on one of several directions because they have not understood the purpose of organization or the dangers that attend it if it is allowed to get out of hand.... Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The itch to have the preeminence is one disease for which no natural cure has ever been found.... Churches and societies founded by saintly men with courage, faith and sanctified imagination appear unable to propagate themselves on the same spiritual level beyond one or two generations.... The fathers had God and little else, but their descendants lose their vision and look to methods and constitutions for the power their hearts tell them they lack.... And remember, our dangers for the moment come not from without, but from within.

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  12. Tozer was a real Prophet

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  13. I loved Tozer. Everything else was for me, unfortunately,a disappointment.

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  14. Guess Who's Coming to Tuck Shop? :)

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    1. Santaclaus... all the way from Northpole more than two months ahead of schedule😂. This Santa is slightly different though. It fills up the bags from the tuck shop and takes them to North Pole (or somewhere closer, say North America) unlike the real Santa who empties the bags when he visits people😄. What say Terry?

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    2. Betty didn't know that ruth came into Abraham's family.

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  15. Hee HEE! Or shd. I say Ho-Ho-Ho! The clan is Robin Hood in reverse!

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  16. I wouldn't want to offend Robinhood by comparing them with these cheap thieves. Even saying that this wicked clan is the revers of Robinhood would not be a consolation to poor Robinhood who had the interest of the poor at heart to steal the rich to give to the poor. These rogues loot from the rich as well as the poor to fill their own greedy bellies. Wasn't Robinhood hard working too? He was a master at archery. But the Daniel clan is made up of a bunch of lazy people who cannot even keep up with a job. Look at John Daniel who cannot keep up a job. They are such a dead weight to society in general. But for the LEF money they are looting and bringing to US, Lydia, Lily and John Daniel and his huge family may have had to live off the food stamps in the US. When the money runs out in LEF or these lazy fellows are driven way by Gunalans and ICs once Lily kicks the bucket, all the these people will have to go to survive is to collect food stamps and join the welfare programs in the US

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    1. John Daniel now seems to have a different 'employment'. Wonder if this is yet another pretend company run from his home/'LEF Centre', with John Daniel as CEO, President, Vice-President, mail delivery boy, janitor, everything else?

      Who is paying for the 'Daniel Five's' maintenance and college fees?

      Has Lydia Daniel ever had a proper job?

      Does Birgit Daniel have paid employment?

      Lily Daniel is well over retirement age, but always boasts that her husband, Joshua, 'never had a pay check'. How, then, did he provide for his widow? Either he lied about his lack of resources, or he was an extremely irresponsible man who expected himself and his family to be financed perpetually by the sweat of others' brows, without question or argument.

      These people are extremely coy about their activities when they are not decorating LEF stages with their presence, or transporting the offerings of hard-working Indians back across the Pond. Why are they so secretive? This is very far from the description of how Christian leaders should be perceived, as given in the apostle Paul's pastoral epistles (1 & 2 Timothy, Titus).

      If they are not the parasites that everyone now realises that they are, why can they not be open and honest about their financial situation? Evidently they feel that they are too important to be accountable to anyone. That is not the Christian way. Such arrogance is characteristic of cult leaders.

      People who make sure that they are seen and pictured carrying a big black Bible everywhere rarely read what it contains with understanding, which is evident in John Daniel's 'preaching', was evident in his father's before him, and is evident in most of the LEF-inspired 'messages' given by Daniel disciples. The bigger the Bible, the greater the owner's ignorance, as a rule. Such a person is selective in his use of God's Word. He would not discern a biblical principle even if it were to be tattooed on his forehead pemanently.

      So sad.......

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    2. For goodness sake, I wish that John Daniel is gainfully employed. Whatever lightens the burden of LEF people supporting this huge family is a welcome sign. Who knows if John Daniel may find his "new job" more rewarding than being the "CEO" of LEF. I hope it finally dawned on John Daniel that his ambitious mother Lily Daniel surely set him up for failure and put him up on the throne that is surrounded by thugs and goondas. I wish John Daniel well if he is indeed turning over a new leaf of making an earnest attempt to earn his own bread.

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  17. Paying an evangelist/pastor from offerings is not wrong. Billy Graham is an employee of Billy Graham Evangelistic Association (BGEA). The salary and perks paid to Billy Graham are known. The salary paid to associates are also known. The offerings received by BGEA are known. In the LEF, no accounts are maintained and audited. The Daniel family whenever and whatever they want they just dip into the offerings without leaving a bit of records. As the offerings are in cash, it just is all the more easier. The people like Gunalan, must deposit all the cash in a bank and make all payments on cheques signed by 2 people. The Board should enforce this, but the LEF board is composed of senile old men and women who will sign before being asked. No one even knows who the treasurer is. All loot from the top down. As much as you can eat is the LEF motto. (but you must be a mythical Daniel). Others would get nothing.

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    1. Para-church organisations like the BG Evangelistic Association are in any case not biblical. LEF is certainly not biblical. There are clear instructions in the New Testament about how the Lord wishes his people to be governed, and govern themselves, on earth, and that is within the local church structure. Local pastors can be paid from tithes and offerings, which payment is agreed between church members and the incumbent. Ongoing expenses are regularly presented to the membership for approval at church meetings, similarly extraordinary donations to missions etc. It is all open and above-board. It is the task of elected ( by the membership) elders and deacons to give guidance (but not dictate) in such matters.

      Any other arrangement (or lack of arrangement!) comes under the heading of 'business'. It is nothing to do with being a Christian within a biblical body of Christians.

      You can choose to give your hard-earned money to a business organisation, set up by men, which takes upon itself a sort of 'Christian' appearance, but in which you are allowed to play no part in decisionmaking; or you can give your money to your local church, where you, if you are accepted into membership, can have a part in deciding what it is used for, and where those elected by you to handle the finances are fully and regularly accountable to you.

      What you cannot do is give your money to a 'Christianised' business organisation (however well or badly it functions) and then pretend that you are 'supporting the church'.

      No amount of imposed accountability will make a business organisation into a church. God does not ask anyone to support businesses like LEF, or even the BG association. What he requires of us is that we set up and support local churches, acting and governed in accordance with his will. Anything set up through the will of man will not, in the end, achieve God's purposes.

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    2. So then what you are saying is that it must be a Plymouth Brethren assembly or it is not biblical?

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    3. As far as I am aware Plymouth Brethren are a different kind of cultish group. They do not have elders, deacons, or pastors as in 1& 2 Timothy. They practise extreme separatism and the unpleasant procedure of 'shutting up' those who refuse to be dominated/bullied. They entertain dubious doctrines ( e.g. the dispensationalism of JN Darby). Actually, thinking about the above, JD shared some of their characteristics!

      I was referring to normal church government as practised by most sound local evangelical Christian churches; that is, the appointment by membership vote of sound men as elders and deacons, including at least one teaching elder, or 'pastor'. JD appointed himself. I do not know if Billy Graham ever came under local church disciipline, but the BG organisation, and his later activities, suggest that he did not by the time he became involved in his campaigns, although it may be that some church did commission him to preach at first. I think that that may in part explain why so many of his 'converts' failed to continue as believers. His helpers used to refer 'converts' on to local churches, 'on the spot', but as far as I recall, rather indiscriminately. A biblical local church will have a statement of faith, and a biblically-based, agreed constitution which can be appealed to in cases of clear wrongdoing or false teaching, so that people like JD can be ejected - not that JD would ever have been voted in as a pastor, I suspect, as he was profoundly ignorant of sound theology and refused to listen to or co-operate with other Christians unless they shared his ideas and approved his monomania.

      In the local body of Christ every member plays their essential part, and as Paul wrote, everybody is equally necessary to the whole - nobody more important than others. Everybody, including, and perhaps especially, church leaders, voluntarily subjects themselves to agreed church biblical discipline. Para-church organisations have none of this, and sadly often encroach on biblical churches' sphere of activity. The result is that some believers who may have come to faith in part as a result of their activities never look for biblical churches, but perpetuate the problem by relying on these rather amorphous groups. Without the true biblical discipline of the local church, the door is left wide open for renegade 'preachers' to 'do their own thing', as did JD. I do not say that all para-church organisations are all bad, but mission should normally be conducted under the auspices of local churches, and even 'respectable' missionary societies should recognise and acknowledge the overarching authority of the local church as they do whatever they do, and encourage all who help in their endeavours to be local church members. Some do, thankfully.

      Hope that answers your comment, Terry. It is a rather big subject, but a necessary one, as my increasingly disquieting observation of LEF for many years brought home to me anew, and with some force!

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  18. Now comes the LEF Retreat and Spa where the Daniel family members would be invited by the management with prepaid tickets, and a relaxed party by the pool side. On return they would be given the dividend of the LEF offerings. Tell me of one spa in the world which does this. Why call it a retreat, (from what and to where)

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  19. Santa Claus and 8 member family is coming for Christmas in Oct, This Santa will climb down the chimney and will take the coins from the stockings. He will also sing "Ho Ho Ho, I dont touch money, I dont need money." Even the Reindeer will not be convinced.

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  20. Interesting comments from GE (https://suniemi.wordpress.com/2016/10/05/gossip-and-garbage-from-the-pulpit/)

    Poor John has to maintain his large family in 7 star deluxe comfort. Secondly is it due to the fact that there has been a serious erosion in the tithes and offerings for the LEF, maybe due to this blog. Thirdly maybe the Hawala channel dried up.

    On a different matter, John Daniel now seems to have acquired a job in the small American branch of a Japanese firm, Oiles. It is to be hoped that this will curb the use of LEF tithes and offerings to support the wider Daniel family’s lifestyle in the USA, and reduce the burden on the poor Indians who provid the bulk of them. It may, in fact, be harder to convey Indian offerings to the USA without the assistance of the man, Immanuel Chakravarthy, who was allegedly master-minding what must have been an essentially unlawful procedure. Unfortunately John’s new firm has poor reviews, and appears to be struggling somewhat to find staff. Nevertheless it would be good if John had at last acknowledged his inability to ‘run’ LEF, and his lack of the spiritual gifts which enable preachers truly called of God (and by churches). It is not too late for John to be gainfully employed, distance himself from LEF, and be a good and diligent example to his daughters. God seems to have given him this opportunity. His younger brothers seem to have managed to do it.

    It is tempting to think that the withdrawal of Daniel control (if it were to happen) might resolve LEF problems. However, as a cultish group, it can only get worse, since the chamchas and goondas (as James Daniel publically and courageously called them) will surely take over. They will not themselves reform, and they will not encourage LEF people to form localised, biblical, self-governing churches (who will support their chosen local pastors to the best of their abilities). They have too much to lose.

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    1. Why is John Daniel preaching a Christianity without christ.
      The word apostasy means 'departure from the faith.'
      Please wake up.
      Jesus said, 'I am the way, the truth and the life.'
      Why is Faith in Jesus not preached at all?

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    2. John Daniel s Sunday message.
      Boys and girls are seducing each other.wicked.disgusting. no holiness. God has demands expectations, standards, his criteria. Are we dogs?
      Put things right-by confession of sins.
      Live like dogs -catch some stray dogs -- ,,paint some degrees on them.ph.d, m.sc, m.s , m.sc. etc.such vanity.
      Moses hid his face for he was afraid of God. No fear of God.
      Going a whoring after money. Whorers.whores! God srts his face against thay soul.
      Sanctify yourself. Keep gods statues.
      Willing goats tied to a peg-those who are faithful to their company only.shameless set of people.
      If you obey God s commandments God will be glorified. (J. D also made fun of Pentecostal churches)
      Confess put away your sin.God will come close to you.

      Who is John addressing this message to?
      His own children
      The seniors in the lef?
      Who are the dogs, and whores and shameless people?
      Why has he ignored Jesus Christ completely in his message? Am I the only one asking such questions?

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    3. No you are not. I had a meeting in our apartment and had a nice crowd incl. some of my family (parents and a set of grandparents), a father and daughter (muslims orig. from Lebanon), an Iranian (Bahai whose family fled the Ayatollahs), and an Indian from LEF who had already distanced himself from LEF while in America who was angry that JD had access to the best healthcare while his father, a doctor, had given his all to the LEF with no support from them in his time of (medical) need. I had great hopes up till then with JD preaching and the local radio broadcast we supported: the Lord's Challenge. John Daniel was there, too, and he played trumpet. My grandfather really liked it and told me so. The message, in American terms, sucked. it was about the devil and child sacrifice, etc.... I had the sort of people JD wanted (not religious or at least already Christian)and his preaching fell very short. i began to question the lack of leadership that he, as a supposed leader of missionaries, failed to provide. Were we supposed to wait for him to come and preach and everything wd. work itself out? Frankly he had no plan and only wanted the appearance of "Christian" work in North America. Christ seemed to be an afterthought and only incidental to repentance, confession of sin, and LEf history.

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  21. Without the words "Masturbation, Adultery, Fornication, Lasciviousness, Immorality, Sex, Lesbian, Homosexual, illicit, Abortion, Killing, Whoring" it is not a message given by the Daniels in LEF, It is a symptom of sexual repression. Who is John addressing this message to?, if you know please tell him, for he doesn't.

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  22. Dear Terry Huffman Sir, I know a friend who invited the cream of the society to his wedding, and unfortunately a LEF great/humble preacher. The preacher started talking " What thoughts was Samson having when he was lying on the lap of a harlot". (really true). the groom told me, why did I call him.I said nobody listens to this worthy so dont worry.

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    1. I believe it. Public confession of sin(s) that don't involve the audience is really embarrasing, especially when you invite an outsider to come and they have to sit thru that nonsense. There will be some who dob't believe they are really forgiven (or they aren't humble enough for G-d's approval)unless they unnecessarily embarrass themselves in that way. Proof of revival, no?

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    2. DOB'T = DON'T

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  23. The Daniels have never had any formal training so they are self trained spiritual men. How can you expect any quality from such quacks.

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  24. John Daniel bought 2 sonata cars (one for dad and one for him). They were meant for exclusive use by them. The cars were parked. The rats made it their home and the cars were sold as scrap. His dad had a Mercedes M280. A ford and many cars. All bought from LEF offerings. At that time a friend commented, these people dont know the value of money, soon they will become paupers. His words came out to be true. Now John is working to earn money, which means that the money from LEF is not enough. It opens an interesting question, If John preaches that he is totally dependent on God for his needs and lives only by faith,(as loony Raja preaches everywhere about him) then why is he working, If John can work why doesn't he allow other people to work. If it is not a crime why doesn't he ask his own cousins and the male preachers who are lazy bones to work. Similarly John advises all the LEF workers wives to work (so that he can get his cut of 10--25% of their salaries.), Why doesnt his wife work. Why dont the daughters in law of the Daniels tribe work. So much for the statement "Do as I say and not as I do". The LEF doesn't need a Holiday Robber Chairman. But the leaders and people of the LEF have become into Zombies Useless and Stupid.

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    1. Yes John works for a North Carolina company which manufactures bearings & gears.

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  25. There is no Christ in the LEF, Only deeper digging to find real and imaginary sins. God is an angry old school teacher who will just beat everybody and to escape from him only one way is available which is "Give money to the Daniels, they will pray for you and God will be pacified". LEF is totally anti christian and theologically unsound. It is only purpose is to give money to the Daniels, who will be having a permanent stupid smile on their faces, telling in effect "what a foolish people you are to give us all your money"

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  26. In short, JD wanted a different life for himself and his immediate family and "christian work" abroad was the means to that end. No, the LEF wd. proudly broadcast, we won't really support our evangelists, but we will send JD on preaching trips around the world and pay his bills while he lives in the evil North America he was fond of criticizing. To do what? Preach "REVIVAL". That was his stock-in-trade, and that is what made him interesting to many.Yes, there is money in revivalism.

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    1. Iain Murray's book 'Revival and Revivalism' clearly demonstrates the difference between the two. Published by Banner of Truth some years ago. There is also the classic, Sprague's 'Lectures on Revival'. I do not know whether it is still in print, but a good Christian second-hand book seller would probably have both. For people in the USA I can recommend Chris and Diana Kleyn, who run the website 'Chris's Li'l Bookstore' which is based in Wyoming, Michigan (?) but they send out books to anywhere in the USA. Chris Kleyn is on Facebook.

      There is so much false teaching about the subject of revival. As Terry rightly points out, the distorted and erroneous concept of what it really is has become just another money-maker, along with the awful 'healing', 'prosperity gospel', and 'name it and claim it' ministries. That men like Joshua Daniel should make themselves an undeserved reputation, power over thousands of people, and a fortune out of it is truly disgusting.

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  27. The main focus of this year's messages was fornication.
    Group discussions focused on
    David and Bathsheba
    Joseph and Portiphor.
    They have been focusing on the same topic for more than a decade, and this will be the main topic as long as the lef work continues.

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    1. LEF never teaches progressive,positive discipleship.They thunder about immorality and fornication from the pulpit but these are for the congregation .A person from the Daniel Family has been a moral wreck marrying thrice.

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    2. Please do not bring home the spirit of John Daniel-the spirit of condemnation, the spirit of accusation , the spirit of slander, the spirit of abuse. It will ruin to family.

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    3. If any man have not the spirit of christ he is none of his.
      The spirit of christ leads you to Christ. He conforms you to the image of Christ.
      Where is the proof or evidence of the spirit of christ living in John Daniel?

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  28. If I might ask here (if it is okay with admin) what is the reputation and standing of the Bakht Singh assemblies in India and/or elsewhere? Cd. they be considered as an alternative for those who leave the LEF? I wrote him years ago asking about the LEF and his terse reply was "the people that you mentioned, they are not quite sound in the gospel". He warned me to be careful with whom I associate. Having read many of his books one cd. tell that for him only his group and few others were biblical.

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  29. LEF is actually a kind of offshoot of the Bakht Singh organisation, according to Indian pastors who have a background of sound doctrine. I was apprised of this fact very recently. These two groups share many negative characteristics, including the illusion that only they are 'Biblical'. I have heard of people migrating from LEF to BS groups, but that would be a case of 'out of the frying pan, into the fire'. People who may be disillusioned with LEF and the Daniels are nevertheless so brainwashed by its defective teachings that they are attracted by these similarities, they can't seem to get away from that kind of thinking. It would be a disservice to ex-LEF victims to direct them towards the Bakht Singh brigade. Better to find a truly Biblical local church, governed according to NT principles, where they can begin to explore Christian doctrine for themselves, under the benevolent, caring guidance (not tyranny!) of godly, qualified leaders who will not extort money from them.

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    1. Thank you for your reply. Are there any Indians that can give some input on Bakht Singh? Does the movement show a declining since he passed? Are they or have they always been authoritarian?

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    2. Terry, why jealousy burned over Persis? She told him her past N he said no problem. But in order to break up, she started going with her boyfriend in front of his eyes and teased me. More over, she sent me her intimate pic with someone via whatsapp. You know? How hard it's hard to carry. If someone lived without notice, it's not taken into account. Few times she made her intimate sighs with her boyfriend over phone. Like this he faced sexual abuse. Though he never touched her, gossip spread badly. It's totally wrong when she played a game with someone's emotions.If she has someone in mind, why did she talk to other guy?.

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  30. Lef will be busy stacking Rupees 500 & 1000 and getting proxies ready...

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    1. A big break through of discontinuing Rupees 500 & 1000 in India. Now LEF need to find ways to make the bags of black money convert to white.. Also same time Trump encourages L(Leymans)EF-USA to bring more money from L(Laymens)EF-INDIA. You can take all those black bag invalid Rupees 500 & 1000 to your USA.. Bad Luck..

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    2. The figures will run in 8 digits. What to do. Give to the poor.

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  31. Is it true? Someone told me "this blog is run by Monika Kiran". I still don't understand one thing "what's this all nonsense, Monika?". It really didn't strike my mind. Because I had good opinion of you. When your brother troubled me, I didn't mind. You know ? You're a part of JD brother's family. But you're making them public. Is it right? No. It's totally wrong. At first, I didn't understand how the blogger is getting details from HQ. now I understood. I know you're posting someone's comments as blogs. Just think of it before going to bed. I mean what you're doing here is wrong. Next, if it's a problem of financial matters, solve it with govt. Tax Dept.

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  32. Whistleblower,
    I read somewhere in your blog that you're forced to marry LD relative again and again. At this point, they're wrong. Suppose you said no at first and then said yes later. It's acceptable. But saying yes at first and then no later is not righteousness. Every decision you take shows a great impact on his life and your life. I think he had everything. I mean money, status and what you can expect from him. Nothing wrong to marry him. Whatever it's, forcing you to marry him is totally wrong. Because you're not a machine. I respect your decision and support you in such matter. Anyway, i don't know whether you're still unmarried or not. What important in life is love. Without love don't enter into marriage. Second, communication is very important in marriage. Third, you're marrying a saved sinner, not a saint. Even after marriage you have to face conflicts in marriage. I think you're independent lady. Great going... The way you handle your conflicts before and after marriage can make you a great woman. You know who I am... yea... you're right. -a

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  33. Whistleblower,
    I read somewhere in your blog that you're forced to marry LD relative again and again. At this point, they're wrong. Suppose you said no at first and then said yes later. It's acceptable. But saying yes at first and then no later is not righteousness. Every decision you take shows a great impact on his life and your life. I think he had everything. I mean money, status and what you can expect from him. Nothing wrong to marry him. Whatever it's, forcing you to marry him is totally wrong. Because you're not a machine. I respect your decision and support you in such matter. Anyway, i don't know whether you're still unmarried or not. What important in life is love. Without love don't enter into marriage. Second, communication is very important in marriage. Third, you're marrying a saved sinner, not a saint. Even after marriage you have to face conflicts in marriage. I think you're independent lady. Great going... The way you handle your conflicts before and after marriage can make you a great woman. You know who I am... yea... you're right. -a

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  34. Whistleblower,
    I read somewhere in your blog that you're forced to marry LD relative again and again. At this point, they're wrong. Suppose you said no at first and then said yes later. It's acceptable. But saying yes at first and then no later is not righteousness. Every decision you take shows a great impact on his life and your life. I think he had everything. I mean money, status and what you can expect from him. Nothing wrong to marry him. Whatever it's, forcing you to marry him is totally wrong. Because you're not a machine. I respect your decision and support you in such matter. Anyway, i don't know whether you're still unmarried or not. What important in life is love. Without love don't enter into marriage. Second, communication is very important in marriage. Third, you're marrying a saved sinner, not a saint. Even after marriage you have to face conflicts in marriage. I think you're independent lady. Great going... The way you handle your conflicts before and after marriage can make you a great woman. You know who I am... yea... you're right. -a

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  35. Yea, what's wrong in it to marry LD relative, kiran? What I said was right, wasn't it? Whistleblower must know it well.

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  36. Yea, what's wrong in it to marry LD relative, kiran? What I said was right, wasn't it? Whistleblower must know it well.

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  37. Today my house owner told me "JD first daughter had many divorces. His sons are not in ministry. ". He criticized JD family. You know what I said?. I replied him saying "abroad divorces are common. She didn't find a good person.so She didn't escape from it. That's why it happened. If your children are in the same condition, don't you feel sad? It's wrong to talk Like that. You must feel sorry for it. ". Yea, he must feel sorry for his words. Whistleblower also must feel sorry for blogging about them. You Don't know that children are a heartbreaking issue for many parents. Just think, whistleblower, what you've done so far. If your problem with LD or lef, Go and solve it with her or them. Don't drag others into the blog. You solve your problem with them peacefully. -anil

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  38. Today my house owner told me "JD first daughter had many divorces. His sons are not in ministry. ". He criticized JD family. You know what I said?. I replied him saying "abroad divorces are common. She didn't find a good person.so She didn't escape from it. That's why it happened. If your children are in the same condition, don't you feel sad? It's wrong to talk Like that. You must feel sorry for it. ". Yea, he must feel sorry for his words. Whistleblower also must feel sorry for blogging about them. You Don't know that children are a heartbreaking issue for many parents. Just think, whistleblower, what you've done so far. If your problem with LD or lef, Go and solve it with her or them. Don't drag others into the blog. You solve your problem with them peacefully. -anil

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