THE PURPOSE OF THIS BLOG IS TO EXPOSE THE FALSE TEACHINGS, HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, SEXUAL ABUSES AND FINANCIAL MISAPPROPRIATIONS BY LEADERS OF LAYMEN'S EVANGELICAL FELLOWSHIP. LEF IS REMOTELY CONTROLLED BY DANIEL FAMILY WHICH HAS MIGRATED TO USA ALMOST 40 YEARS AGO. LEF, A MULTI MILLION DOLLAR ENTITY, NEITHER GIVES ANY FORMAL MEMBERSHIPS, NOR IS ACCOUNTABLE TO THOUSANDS WHO FINANCIALLY SUPPORT THIS ORGANIZATION WITH THEIR TITHES(10% OF INCOME) AND OFFERINGS, NOR PAYS SALARIES TO ITS WORKERS.
It is sad to see people discussing issues in a blog .Disappointing to see that you use non Christian political outfits to fight with LEF.We should fight with LEF exposing their unbiblical acts but not through posters and politicians.
We are clearly incapable of fighting by exposing the unbiblical acts of LEF? Can you please do that? Believe me you will be given a huge medal if you can bring the missing mother and child back by using biblical and theological methods of persuading these evil people to mend their ways
So how do you suggest exposing the evils of LEF and what are you doing about it? This has been going on for many decades, with everyone being aware of what is happening, but everyone being too much of a chamcha or too scared of unbiblical Daniel threats to do anything. If LEF people will not cleanse their own stable, then others who will need to be called in.
It is more unbiblical to ignore evil and allow it to continue for decades, than to employ secular means against it when those who should be challenging the perpetrators and removing the evil refuse to do so.
Have you left LEF? If not, why not? If so, what stops you telling us about it here?
Your witness about standing up to LEF and turning your back on it would be far more useful to readers than simply criticising the means employed by more courageous people in trying to stop deep-seated corruption, greed, and cruelty.
The blog has been going for more than 2 years now. Its a long time. Had LEF acted on the complaints by itself when it was at least highlight in a blog like this it would not have gone thus far. So don't complain and bee happy some thing is happening for good of the the afflicted and for the victims.
We are seeking help to help a girl. How does it matter, Hindus, Christians or Muslims. the Christians inside LEF are anyway not helping. LEast they can do is to walk away to another church. Or is it against the Bible?
The New Testament clearly states that Christians should separate themselves from evil, especially evil in their midst. Some have indeed walked away from LEF. The rest must be using the ill-written, brain-washing writings of Joshua Daniel as a substitute for the Bible; or they are spineless pretend sheep who submit to bullies rather than do what is right. Maybe LEF henchmen are infusing the tuck-shop products at May retreats with some kind of long-lasting drug that causes Daniel-worship and chamcha-ism?
I am reminded of Shakespeare's 'Midsummer Night's Dream', in which Oberon, king of the fairies, bewitches his spirited wife into falling in love with a crude and ugly weaver called (significantly?) 'Bottom'. For both 'Oberon' and 'Bottom' read 'Joshua Daniel'. For 'spirited wife' read 'average LEF attender'.
Shakespeare's Oberon, because he really loved his wife, reversed the enchantment. Joshua Daniel, who never truly loved the average LEF attender, still dominates his/her thinking even from his pricey but tasteless castle tomb in Kilpauk cemetery. However since the Daniel kingdom is not part of a fairy tale, LEF attenders are at perfect liberty to help the Gideon family and oust the occupants of 9b Nungambakkam High Road (which premises, along with all the other LEF 'temples', the average LEF attender actually paid for). If the countless facts now brought to light have not disenchanted LEF supporters, no fairy could lift the Daniel spell!
LEF dupes, if you, as (alleged) Christians, do not like the involvement of non-Christians in trying to help this mother and child, and in confronting the evil LEF regime, why do you not do it yourselves? Doesn't the Bible describe the assisting of the vulnerable as a natural outworking of the Christian faith? Shouldn't you be eradicating the 'leaven' in your midst?
Which means are you opposed to? Can you suggest some means to get the missing woman and child to safety. Girl was cut off from the parents because of the games played by Lily Daniel and her stooges. Husband claims he has not been living with his wife for last year and a half and files a complaint with police just a month ago that his wife and child are missing. Husband's father accuses parents for not caring about the daughter and go one step further and say that the girl has become a sex worker in a brothel house but nobody knows where she is. For whatever reason, police are not acting. So, tell me what you would you have done. What means do you suggest? If you are who I think who you are, it doesn't surprise me one bit that you eventually resurfaced with your true colors and your unique way of defending LEF because just like many you too are nervous that when non-Christians get involved, it will eventually bring Christianity and its tenets to scrutiny. That's exactly why Joshua Daniel and his clan never worried about any kind of uproar from within. A person like me is a loose cannon and nobody in LEF has ever accounted for a person like me who knows too much about the muck in LEF and is not wooed by religious sentiments to put under covers all the atrocities done in churches and there by protect the "Christain image."
I do not think that Suniemi is trying to defend LEF here, but perhaps to comment that for Christians there are biblical instructions as to how to deal with evil within and outside of the 'church'. However it is debatable whether such principles and instructions in terms of the 'church' can apply to LEF, or be carried out in LEF, because LEF is not a church in the biblical sense.
In the same way, WB, there is nothing for genuine Christians to fear in having the true tenets of the Christian faith examined by anyone in the course of any investigation. What is taught and practised in LEF bears little relationship to the teachings of the Christian faith, so you (WB) are right in thinking that the LEF perpetrators would be nervous about being scrutinised.
Surely the object of this website is to uncover and stop the abuses of a cultish organisation, not to question the beliefs of genuine Christians? However if those who have been asked (in this case the police), in their official capacity, to do something about a missing and vulnerable woman and her infant, are unwilling to help, then I cannot blame the family for accepting any other help that is offered, from whatever (lawful) source.
That something extremely dubious and suspicious has been going on was made clear many months ago, and also that LEF persons are behind it. I refer to the fact that the Gideon parents/grandparents, having been alienated (by LEF persons) from their daughter/grandson, were then invited to the child's first birthday party. They travelled some distance in pleased expectation, only to find that neither mother nor child was present, but that certain LEF 'leaders' were. One was Caleb Daniel as I recall. Another was an older man. As it was reported, the LEF people continued with the party as if there was nothing unusual about the absence of the birthday boy and his mother, even cutting the cake (?) and subjecting the very worried Gideon parents/ grandparents to some kind of long talk about LEF history (?), and possibly one of their tedious LEF prayer meetings (topics unknown?). This is very strange behaviour on the part of the LEF 'leaders' and certainly sufficient evidence to indicate that LEF people were acting according to some devious plan thought out in advance, purpose as yet unfathomed. If they knew that the mother and child were missing, why did they not alert the Gideons in advance? Why did someone give some kind of history talk, knowing how worried the guests must be?
To Suniemi and WB I would say that, given the above, and the unbiblical nature of LEF, this was a secular matter, not a 'Christian church' matter, even though the LEF people involved consider themselves to be Christian members of a Christian church. Since it is a secular, possibly criminal, matter, the police should have done something. If they did not, or could not, I cannot criticise anyone for seeking help elsewhere. The end ( finding the missing ones) can justify the means if the first and most obvious courses of action (the police) prove unsuccessful, and the subsequent means are within the law.
It would be a pity if this matter, or any part of WB's and Suniemi 's efforts to stop the abuses carried out by LEF on at least humanitarian grounds, turned into some kind of Christian/Hindu/political conflict, something that Betty Daniel is already trying to make it into.
It is very clear from my site that I do not support LEF but I defend the Christian faith and truth. For the issue of a missing person, the right way is to go to the police station. The girl’s parents should have approached the police long ago if the husband did’t bother. You know that the police immediately came to HQ when a complaint was made on Betty. For the husband’s complaint did the police provide a CSR ? Why haven’t you filed a RTI / PIL for police inaction?
If the real issue is the missing lady and the baby IC and his girlfriend must be interrogated by the police.Once the lady is located she must be reunited with her husband and they must leave Chennai for some place and live their lives without the interference of relatives and LEF.
What is your pitch with ..."if the real issue is the missing..." Whom do you want to see protected? Who gave Immanuel Chakravarthy and Parimala access to this innocent girl whose life is ruined? Isn't it the witch Lily Daniel? What about her son who comes and browbeats people? What about Gunalan who is the real culprit who authored all the letters which went out under the name of Joshua Daniel?
The immediate priority is rescue of the mother and Child from the evil influence of LEF and Parimala gang.
The final Goal is to get all criminals (Daniels,Gunalan and other rogues) behind bars.We are thankful that you whistleblowers are bold to expose the evil deeds of the goondas to the whole world.
Why did you leave out Bangalore Raniamma (queen), Peace and her children Callu Baby and Marcus Baba, and families, now even the great son-in-law wants to continue the great ministry (of eating). Please put their photos on another poster, then Peter Iqbal, Daniel Mani, George, Marcus (at Madras)
Thought Marcus Daniel left the LEFI around 8yrs ago. He is serving in a different church in Bangalore. He was sidelined by the Daniel's and his own family for preaching about the subject "Grace" which is a taboo!!!!
Marcus left LEF and hoped on to different churches.First it was Richmond Town Methodist Church where he shot into prominence because of his mama (uncle & brother of Raniamma who is a elder in the church) .And then he moved on to another church.Marcus leaving LEF was expected and came in a bit late.We thought he would leave soon after his marriage.The point one needs to note is in the case of Senior Daniels (JD,Francis,Kamala and Persis) all of them married Tamils.JD,Francis and Kamala married Nadars as about that time there were many high profile nadars who joined LEF.But when it came to their children the Senior Daniels where picky and choose and went in for smart spouse hunting.The primary criterea was wealth.Marc and Calu baby married girls from wealthy families.John married a german because JD expected Germany to become a superpower and those days LEF was betting big on Germany.Marcus may be a good musician but he is not a smart politician.Callu is a guy who will nod his head and take everything.It remains to be seen how the brothers will manage after Raniamma's days are over.It is expected that Callu will take over LEF Bangalore and if that happens 50 to 70% of the present congregation will leave LEF.
Marcus was made a centre head in Bangalore, though he was not qualified in any way as a trailer by JD, to check how well the people will accept the son following his dad. Marcus cannot preach, He used to read some books on Grace by Philip Yancey, and sometimes read the books in his messages. He was not interested in the job of a centre leader but was happy with the benefits. He was also insubordinate and self willed, and didn't care one bit about JD or JJD, so JJD and JD ousted him out. Marcus used to preach on the same verse for 7-8 weeks, and to say that he was sent out for preaching grace is not correct. Anyway his present house is free with all expenses paid out of the LEF offerings (his grand mum also similarly supported his dad, so what is the problem), Daniel name opens the purses of heaven and earth. Marcus and Callu father in law's know about their sons-in-law's but are quiet as enough LEF offering money oils the wheels.
I heared that John Daniel turned tail and ran out of India as a coward he is, but still the money stealing system is in place , cut it off and let the great man earn his living
If my being a Christian makes me not do what I am doing to uproot evil done in the name of God and religion, then I don't mind dropping my Christian label. I hope you got the message :-)
How come the picture of Washingtons pictures are not in this group. I guess they are not as powerful as they claim But oh boy controlled and ruined many lives claiming their power in LEF. No wonder never will allow others to check their power. But Washington you know you have big part in corruption if your claim of power is true. Or you are so evil that you can hide your self better behind satan
Romans 16:18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.
IC can be considered honorable compared with Washingtons if only the truth is revealed. There is nothing this family is not guilty of. But got the power from Satan to hide it all
You need to be more specific in your allegations against Washingtons. Please consider giving in writing with names and other details of what Washingtons have done to hurt innocent people. We hope to see the house cleaned very soon. So, please be specific and I promise that appropriate action will be initiated. It will not be of any use to just post here that Washingtons are evil without giving any details.
They lied in many places to get what they want. They even framed atories that peoplevlie with siblings and parents to get what they want. There is proof that even Sr Daniel warned them. This family is ok with doing ministry among singoe ladies alone. Very abusive physicaly and verbally. Many poor helpers suffered this for not gossiing for them even marriage stooped. Even cheated the government one of them sent out of the country just given three days nearly handcuffed. Even paid some LEF mebers rs 100 and a bible to stop them from going to others bible study. Scream and threaten people everywhere to give them what they want. Even threaten to beat up their families if they dont get their way. Got caught many times lying about their ministry in LEF for their personnal gain outside LEF. Bribe people to gossip . Gossip is lke breathing. Not a single person left they dont gossip about. Believe me there is even unexplained three deaths when found others were framed. They can go anywhere abd get anything they want without any credentials cause chaos and still cone out very Godly. That is hight of evil. Ruined many lives to get even for somethings which are insignificant.
Worst than all that is listed so far Some beyond belief that they are humans. In fact looks lije they went back to the witchcraft that they came out. Or changed tge style using bible
Thank you for believing and trusting. In their hearts they know how evil they are and how many times they gor caught and warned. Shamelessly they act everything is alright. The funny thing they say everybody in LEF are like them. Nooooooo. There are lot of genuine Godly sacrificial people. Washingtons are just rogues hiding behind the genuine people sometime even crushing them for their gain. Yes and yes they will fall in the same pit tgey dug for others.
Called some places to get what you want. This much corruption over decades to get the affidavit akes some extra time and work. But will do when needed.at any cost. Evil needs to stop.
God used three pagan wise men to honor his birth. Used Babylonians to desciplined Israelites. Used king Darius to prove that Daniels God is the real donkey for Balaam to see the Angel. Raven to feed the prophet Elijah
Ephesians. 5: …10Test and prove what pleases the Lord.11Have no fellowship with the fruitlessdeeds of darkness, but rather expose them.12For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret.…
Evil need to be exposed. Proverbs. 28:4. Those who forsake the law forsake the wicked. We see that in LEF top to bottom for their own personal gain
Proverbs 1:10. When sinners entice do not yield going along with corruption charges d abomination I from of God. It does not matter how big you are in ministry. Jesus calls such people white washed tombs
Apparently the bootlickers of Daniel family are now getting nervous on seeing this poster and are calling Mr. Gideon to find out why he is getting the help of Hindus. Some of these men in LEF are bunch of cowards and are kept busy chewing the bones that Lily Daniel throws at them and from nowhere they become indignant to defend the Christian cause. I understand that some guy called to show his disapproval of this family seeking the help of Indu Makkal Kakshi group. Sir, can you please tell me in what way you tried to help Gideons who have been suffering because of all the injustice done to this family which has lost its daughter to this rogue organization? Some of these LEF fellows need to be hanged and that is the only way we can purge the earth of these evil rogues who do so much damage to others in the name of God and religion.
This is a slight deviation, but I have just watched Betty Daniel trying to 'preach' in her husband''s Miami Village church (has she not read what the Bible says about women occupying pulpits?), in the course of which she she says that she is 'a missionary kid' which is why she 'always wants to save people' (re a small fire in the basement). Betty always refers to herself in public as a 'missionary kid', which she thinks gives her some kind of special status amongst evangelical believers in the USA. She has even trained Mr. Betty Daniel to do it!
Firstly, Betty is not a 'missionary kid', but the daughter of a man who was never a responsible member of a biblically regulated church, who was never biblically commissioned by any church leadership or membership to do what he did, and what he did was by no stretch of the imagination the selfless, gentle conveying of the genuine Gospel message expected of true Christian missionaries.
Secondly, if Betty considers herself to be a 'missionary kid' following in the footsteps of her 'missionary' (not) father, and hence constantly wanting to 'save' people, why has she not tried to help the Gideon family save their daughter and grandchild on her regular 'missionary' (not) visits to India?
Thirdly, what about Betty's fairly recent and rather murky past? Did she publicly confess her sins (in true LEF tradition) before starting to trade on her father's (equally but differently murky) reputation?
What a deluded hypocrite of a woman, certainly a fitting daughter of Joshua and Lily, and sibling of John and Lydia! The apple does not fall far from the tree, even though the tree rejected the apple before he died!
Betty is a missionary kid because she believes that she is. She is a dumb semi literate busybody whose needs must be met by the LEF out of offerings given by poor. Now she is genuinely surprised that people are not falling at her feet and giving her a lot of money, admiration and respect.
Unfortunately, incredible as it may seem, some people apparently do take Betty's ramblings seriously. People in her (3rd) husband's church are being conned into giving her money for her so-called Indian 'ministry' (!). Poor people in India are also being asked for money via her embarrassing Telegu TV broadcasts, and last year's so-called 'preaching tours' in South India. Meanwhile she s currently trying to discredit Whistleblower's efforts in an uncouth, ill-informed, but covert way.
So it doesn't hurt to draw public attention to the foolishness and inconsistencies of this slightly sinister joke of a woman from time to time -especially as she fairly recently made a great show on FB of supporting 'abused women in India'! With all the money she collects from Americans and Indians for her 'ministry', surely she could have been true to all her show-off ranting by helping this abused Indian mother and child from a decent family who have fallen into the clutches of Betty's own family - the very family, the Daniels, on whom she (wrongly) depends for her frequent description of herself as a 'missionary kid'?
One does laugh, but one cannot entirely 'move on'. Fakes who operate in the name of Christianity need to be monitored and, when necessary, exposed. They can be spiritual poison to naive people, which Betty is.
Lockup Immanuel, Parimala, Lily Daniel and Gunalan in a police lockup. Cut Immanuels pension, within 5 minutes the missing women with child will surface. These liars are the root cause.
Washingtons are sooo smart that they managed to free themselves from the list while claiming everywhere they are the most powerful family and being the closeset friend to IC from childhood and doing the worst possible to people using their power in LEF.
No LEF center gives account about the offerings to the local congregation.Even the hq don't give the account in their anniversary booklet (we have to buy that even it is not given free to the congregation which is once in a year affair).The local members must be educated about how their money given to God's kingdom being spent by these so called holy men.
If more money is with you, you stop depending on God & you slip away and try to manipulate things to take hold of that money.Perhaps with that thinking the age old fellows in LEF stopped divulging details about offerings received & thought that the center incharge will spend wisely for the glory of the God. Well what I see now is what they fear about congregation came true for the center incharges. they become greedy, covetous & dis-honest like judas iscariot... David Paul
No LEF center gives account is true, more things happen, please come to a so called centre in a state capital (where I was on tour), the distinguished family member of Daniel clan could not walk, but was sitting waiting for something, The the service ended, the offering bags were stuffed into her purse and the car took off, the LEF members were all smiles, Do they give money to God or Gods Children or to a rich family, these poor people could not think.The LEF is a franchisee, pay a little to the top all that remains is yours, lifetime employment and enjoy. Next will be anniversary, the report will be sold (and where does the money go, into the pocket),Why the audited income and expense statement is never issued, because of the uncontrolled stealing at all levels.,some congregation members who are rich must pay for the bun and sugary milk (so that net profit doesn't reduce),So much the Daniel old man would be puffed up as equal to Abraham, Moses etc. and the son of the family will wear a coat and suit and blabber so badly so that no one understands a bit, and all will be in raptures, cruel defrauding confidence tricksters, keep away from these frauds, they will act so loving but with hidden ulterior motives.
Whistleblowers are doing the best work which no Christian in Lef do. We are cowards boneless shameless creatures. The reasons may be any or many. Only the cry of the suppressed heard by WB and they took the action in proper way. Don't try to speak unnecessary useless points like Betty and other stuff. WB is on target let us give information which they needed..or keep quiet. These Lef money mongers are cunning foxes. In the name of Mr. Daniels vision these stupid leaders blackmailed threatened and oppressed many evangelists and common people. WB is doing the best work. Still more to do.Let us pray that the Lord help the oppressed. Don't speak about Christianity or Betty or all those unnecessary matters. Betty is black sheep of the family. A poor confused girl who is oppressed by her own family. Get information about IC Gunalan and other good as who manipulated the entire Lef along with Daniel family. The problem is this WB is not yet reached the Telugu speaking undereducated people.if once WB reached them a great uproar will swallow these mongers. I
Can someone do me a favor and find out who is this LEF fellow who logs into the blog from Kumar, Himachal Pradesh? This guy I know is that Anil rogue who finds immense pleasure in writing obscenities. If this rogue doesn't stop his obscenity, I will have to work with some IT guys to find out his identity to initiate the necessary action
Thank you for the offer. We need all the help we can get. Can you please send your contact details to savelefi@hotmail.com? You can also post the contact details here for the benefit of those who might be seeking help. Thanks again
This will be a challenging road for whistleblowers because the government will not be keen to upset minorities fearing unnecessary controversies.If there is ample evidence to warrant an enquiry and they are weak on defence then they can be prosecuted.
These rogues so boldly did all this evil thinking that they will hide behind the minority cover. But the evil they are doing has reached such a level that other minority organizations also will not come to the rescue of LEF rogues. There is nothing Christian or religious about what these thugs do. It is a pure case of human rights violation that can be termed as anti-social and anti-national. Most battles are lost because most human beings have a "defeated mentality," i.e., they have lost the battle in their minds. I am fortunate to be surrounded by people who are positive and believe that evil will be defeated.
We will surely come and meet you in Delhi office. Before we do that, we would like to meet your counterparts both in Chennai and Hyderabad offices. Could you please give a heads up to them that our people will come and see them in Chennai and Hyderabad? Thanks again for extending your help
Let them know clearly about the issues and ask them for the BJYM support too. BJYM is also a wing of BJP. So by taking help from these two in hand will give you strength.
If the FIR is filed we should not enter into the case. i.e third party have no rights to get into it. So i recommend you to ask ABVP and BJYM Chennai. For their support to speed up the issue.
Take this issue into PRINT Media & ELECTRONIC Media which will become very easier. So, the Police officials will take this issue seriously.
I'll you give my contact details later. until then we'll go here. :)
Akhil Bharatiya Vidyarthi Parishad
Address: New 350, Shivaji Street, T Nagar, T Nagar, Chennai, Tamil Nadu 600017
Thank you for the information. Yes, we will visit your Chennai office. I look forward to establishing a direct contact with you. Until then, let's keep this channel of communication open. Thanks again for the leads. Best Regards, LEF Whistleblower (that's what I need to go with for now :-))
Thanks for the word of caution. It is so sad when we have to doubt our own shadows. With the people who have been duped by LEF rogues, it is doubly important to pay heed to these words of caution. It is painful when we cannot take people for their word and go with it without doubting them. As sad as it is to acknowledged it, there are some unfortunate ones who are destroyed by LEF who have nothing more to lose than what they have already lost to LEF. For such people, any ray of hope is worth pursuing.
I am ever indebted to people like you who help for the sake of helping and who are moved with compassion when you come across the unfortunate ones in our society. Please don't get us wrong because of the comments you see here. This particular family for which we are seeking help has worked for this organization for almost 40 years in total servitude. They moved from place to place with small children starting with Coonor in the down south all the way to Anantnag, Kashmir which is in northern part of the country. They have sent both their young children to Chennai to get trained by this church as Lily Daniel ( the defacto leader ) persuaded the family to do so. The young girl of this family fell a prey to the sexual abuse by none other than Immanuel Chakrvarthy, Financial Director of this LEF society. Parimala, the then Principal of the school which this young girl worked for was the enabler for all this as she was a close associate of Immanuel Chakravarthy and Lily Daniel. Nude photographs of some of these abused women floated around on watsapp. When the family realized all this and started to confront Lily Daniel and her son John Daniel, this girl was quickly married off toParimala's nephew. The marriage was solemnized at LEF's retreat center called Beulah Garden. Once the girl got married, she was completely isolated from her family. She was directed by Lily Daniel not to have anything with her parents and brother. When the family persisted, they were wrongly accused of stealing money from LEF and driven out to a remote village near Tirupathi from Nalgonda(where they have worked for almost 15 years). Long story short, this girl never really lived with her husband for any considerable amount of time and has always been on the run or in hiding. Parents had become mute spectators to all this as they were now disgraced in this community as thieves and not one person from this LEF community came to help this family. This girl is bitter against the parents and her family for obvious reasons and also due to intense mind control games played by Parimala who has enslaved this girl both mentally and physically. This girl is now missing along with her 2 year old son and now her husband's family is blaming girl's parents of not caring for her and are alleging that this girl is now working as sex worker in a brothel house. Parents have been running around for help for almost one year now. They knocked on many doors of many Christian organizations and not one person helped. Finally we found some help from Indu Makkal Katchi group and here are these LEF rogues now calling foul that Hindu terrorists are attacking them through whistle blower sites. Betty Daniel, the daughter of Lily Daniel has written an acerbic account to provoke the religious sentiments of people by projecting that this church is come under attack by Hindu gangs and terrorists. All of this because the brother of this missing girl went to LEF's HQ with some IMK people to talk to Lily Daniel about the whereabouts of his sister. This woman Lily Daniel refused to come out and her stooge Gunalan did all the talking. Here is this fool Betty Daniel (daughter of Lily Daniel) trying to project all this as some kind of attack on churches by Hindu terrorists. Betty Daniel conveniently forgets that her mother bribed the police to put all of this under cover and also has never allowed Immanuel Chakrvarthy (IC) and Parimala to be prosecuted by the law of the land as this family used IC to send money to her family in the US through illegal means. IC and Parimala used their positions in this church to exploit the helplessness of this innocent girl and this fool Betty Daniel claims that church has nothing to do with this and that her mother Lily Daniel did not rape this girl.
I will post Betty Daniel's hate speech in a bit on the blog. In any case, I am thankful for the offer of help. Our person visited your Chennai office today and was warmly welcomed by the sevaks at ABVP office. They gave a patient hearing to what we had to say and we left some papers with them of the petitions we have submitted to several police personnel and government officers. No FIR has been filed so far. The immediate help we need is to get the mother and the 2 year old child to safety and isolate them from who ever has been holding her as captive. Any help ABVP or any of its sister organizations can do in this issue will be greatly appreciated. It is not your God or our God who has any role to play in this kind of injustice done by people who do all this in the name of God. Some of these men would be better off without the God they claim to serve. I am certain that you all will find compassion in your hearts to help this family. Will look forward to hearing from you. Sorry if you felt that we were doubting your motives as you are from a Hindu out fit. No, not at all. If I were to do that, there would not be any meaning to the choices I have made in my personal life to isolate myself from these cult like Christian organizations. I am not Mr(😊). I am a woman. Thanks again Mr. ABVP (I get to return the favor for addressing me Mr. Whislte blower 😊😊😊).
They will take care of you even I'll call them and I'll tell them to take the issue seriously.
I strongly recommend you now to go into the national media channels and local media channels which will be very helpful for you to get all the support from all the organisations as the news will be out.
I am sure thousands of victims who are helplessly trapped in this messy manipulative group LEF team are praying for WB to win . That is the only way many will be saved from slavery.
AnonymousJuly 29, 2016 11:57 AM, thank you for words of encouragement. It really is not my winning. Humanity has to win. The weak and defenseless in our society cannot be trampled upon by people who run these rogue organizations by manipulative religious indoctrination. Why should a 2-yr child bear the brunt of all this and become a fugitive because of what his mother has been subjected to? Why can't people simply be human? It doesn't require a saint to take pity for a 2 year child who is missing along with his mother. It is ok if people cannot help. All I want people to do is not politicize the whole thing and make it some kind of a Hindu-christian war. It is the war between monstrosity and humanity. Whoever thinks s/he is a human being should make a wish that the child and the mother will be brought out of the clutches of these monsters. That's all it takes to be simply be human and not a monster.
You are right. It is Gods war. Injustice done towards his innocent children by the power greedy , lust for welth mobsters, liars tge children of satan who use Gids work for their gain ruining many innocent lives including that baby. May God be with you and fight with you for his righteousness.
ABVP, you ask the right questions. No. John Daniel is not an Indian citizen. He is an American citizen who is born in US. I am guessing he has an OCI card. Not sure if that gives him legal permit to preach and head the Indian based non-profit society.
https://www.facebook.com/liz.vancamp.9/posts/10208058351510210. Here goes the drama queen and the retarded daugter of Joshua Danel hallucinating with her usual incoherent ramblings. First IC wanted to have her killed because she was protecting the wounded sheep. Then her mother Lily Daniel became a Jezebal and was hurting the sheep. Then Gunalan became a tormentor by destroying all emails her dad recieved and he rolled his eyes and made faces when she rebuked the devil and now militant Hindus are trying to put her in jail and close down the church. Wonder what kind of mad gene the members of this family carry. Joshua Daniel's house must've been a real mad house with these eccentric personalities. May be that's why they never had all of them under one roof as they would've surely torn each other into pieces. Liz Vancamp, if you read this, please take note-This piece of rambling you posted is all that is needed to have you questioned by security personnel when you enter India because it is you who is maligning people and calling them names. Thanks for making the job of those who are trying to eliminate all anti-social elemengs who spread hate (by cashing on the religious sentiments of gullible people) by providing written proof of your intentions. It can't get any easier than this to have people like you keep your big mouths shut forever and not pose a threat to the security of people of a nation. Thanks for posting this as it will serve as a proof of all the allegations leveled against your family so far that you all are anti-social and anti- national. Keep your documentation ready to prove that you have been threatened by Hindu militant because these are very serious charges you are making against a whole community of people in India called Hindus. You are calling them terrorists and gangs. You become answerable and accountable for every word that you commit to in writing. All your mad rambling will have to stand scrutiny. India is not a lawless land like some want to believe. It has now come under the rule of a leader who truly cares for the people of his nation. You surely will be the one who will pay the price for all the sins your family members committed against innocent people using a Christian cover.
Gangs of Hindu militants rampaging around the small American town of South Bend threatening Betty Daniel? Really? Better watch the international TV news......although so far nothing broadcast. Funny that Mr. Betty Daniel a.k.a. Chuck Lambdin hasn't mentioned this on FB! You'd think he would be asking his congregation and others for prayer in such circumstances. Ditto his local friends, fellow 'missionaries to India', Rick and Carrie Immel.
If you are reading this, and are a member of a militant Hindu gang currently rampaging around South Bend looking for Betty, please get in touch. We can provide a description of Betty to assist you.
On the other hand, if you are a staff member of a state psychiatric hospital local to South Bend, and on a similar mission, we can also help you.
Gotta see the funny side! Hope 'Mr. Betty Daniel' (a.k.a. 'Mr. Liz Van Camp') has a sense of humour too. He must need it - although when in an on-line video he referred (apparently in all seriousness) to Barmy Betty as 'My wife. Comes from a missionary family', you have got to wonder..........
Betty is mad and drinks a few beers and starts writing, I say drink some Cognac and write more poetry. What a pity that for nearly 50 years you fooled the LEF that you are a stalwart of the church.
LEF is the only organization which gives power to abuse steal lie Its proven fact. Lawless ruthlessmonsters. But cover it up with the mantra pray sin repent God will answer They act like God called them to ruin innocent lives. Only in LEF if you follow God you are a prey to their wicked schemes
Me dad moved to the LEF premises in 1948 under the leadership of Bro. N. Daniel. He was brainwashed in such a way that if you are not saved in the fellowship, you are not genuinely saved. He toiled hard for the fellowship and for its territorial extensions, he was always considered 2nd class. We requested the hq building for my sister's wedding (arranged by Joshua Daniel) for which they counter offered Tambaram and Royapuram location. As we all know, hq building is only offered to the inner circle which is very sad. When imy wedding was arranged outside the fellowship, Lily humiliated me in front of a small group of people with harsh words and she refused to pray and bless me. She literally said that I am a thief that went through the back door. After this humiliation, I left the fellowship and I even returned their magazine that was sent to my address. The greatest disappointment is that the LEF doesn't preach the Word but gives its own gospel by using the name of Jesus. Their way of salvation is by works and not by putting our faith into the Salavation that Jesus purchased.
Will Lily Daniel have the guts to talk the same way to her own daughters, jut a plain old sly fool women who is a thief and a robber, Now the latest grand son (son of James Daniel) visited her grandma, who paid the Travel costs, Dear LEF members your sacrificial offerings, You wont send your children by flight but LD will do, just grin and bear it. John be careful this guy and his dad may remove you saying only a Daniel male heir should sit on the Daniel Throne be very watchful.
Watchout Washingtns will start woeshipping that boy. They plan 30 years ahead. He may be the next stepping stone for them. They have few insiders to study and inform them to help them plan decades before others come to know. Nobody will know their scheme and behind the scene drama.
It is Joseph Daniels son, you are correct and I am wrong. so soon one more parasitic family added to an already long line of parasitic families, to live on the hard work and sacrifices of the LEF attendees.
Can the LEF leaders deny that unconverted boys, wild living boys, useless boys, certified Psychos were suggested to good God fearing girls (and a few vice versa cases), can they deny that money and family connections played a major role in such matches. All know about such cases but keep quiet.
Not being prayed for or blessed by Lily is no disadvantage! Thanks for witnessing to the abuses, and also to the fact that you had the courage and common sense to separate yourself from LEF.
We wish that more people would write about why they left LEF, and even more people would decided to leave now and in the future.
If a person is missing, the first recourse is to go to the police station and file a missing person complaint. It appears that this has not been done. Political parties are not meant to find missing persons!
AFAIK Immanuel & Parimala are no longer in LEF. Why do you link Elizabeth’s disappearance to LEF? Where is her husband? Does he know the whereabouts of his wife?
Oh wow!!! This is another side of Suniemi. Really? How can you be so certain that people have not filed a complaint with the police? Elizabeth and IC are no longer in LEF. How do you know that so affirmatively? Who told that politicians are finding Elizabeth and her son? What to do when police don't do what they are supposed to do? Who will put pressure on them to act? When the rubber hits the road, the true colors come out. For all your philosophical talk, you come out just as an average Joe. Where is the husband? In Chennai? What is he doing? He is fooling around in LEF.
The parents cannot file a First Information Report, the Police have to do that, and what hand prevents the police from registering a FIR. Immanuel & Parimala do know where the girl Elizabeth is, these two sent her out so that more details of their affair wont come out, Now these two are bluffing, More importantly IC is being protected by Lily Daniel who famously said, if IC is arrested and sent to jail I also will have to go. So many properties bought by LEF out of offering money was registered in IC own name and the LEF board refuses to take any action, why? The husband of the girl who disappeared was told that his wife was immoral and disappeared and soon may be even married again. There are so many mysteries in this disappearance.
Sounds like there should be help from Washingtns. This is their style. To escape the crime they always smear smeone with immoral stories to divert peoples attention to escape. Washington are you involved in this crime. Anyway you are not going to tell the truth. But for power you will not miss any oppurtunity. Anyway needed to warn knowing you.
What do you mean by the police are not acting? Did they provide a CSR? For a missing person a CSR will be given. You can check the status of the CSR here Have they closed the CSR without making attempts to find the missing person? Please give the CSR details. Maybe you could have gone to the police station where the complaint is filed and as an NRI got them to act. The Chennai police did appear in HQ based on a complaint on Betty. The police in Chennai do act on such issues. This is the correct approach to handle the issue.
I don’t go to LEF and so I have no way of knowing if IC, Parimala & Elizabeth are still part of LEF but I don’t think they were spotted in any centre. Do you have proof that they are still part of LEF?
Police closed the CSR saying it is a domestic quarrel and refused file a FIR. You seem to know some good police who actually showed up at HQ regrading a case file against Betty. Can you please provide the details of those police and this family can also go to the same police.
I still don't understand why you want to isolate this case from LEF. Here is what I wrote to Betty who was also trying to argue on similar lines to make her understand that LEFs involvement cannot be ruled out in this mess. On a more professional note, your illogical statement that I should go to IC's house and also that the police case is between Gideons and IC and Parimala is the smart one that you are trying to pull. IC and Parimala were not next door neighbors to Elsie and that's not how they got access to Elsie. IC got access to Elsie in his power as the Financial director of LEF and Parimala got access to Elsie as the Principal of the school. Make no mistake that these two were appointed to those positions not by a collective decision of a board but by unilateral decision of your family members both deceased and alive. It is an employer's responsibility to protect all employees from any kind of abuse. While your mom herself may not have any involvement in what IC and Parimala did to Elsie, she is guilty as charged for not allowing these culprits from being punished by the law of the land. Not only did she not allow them to be prosecuted, she also tried to tamper with the evidence of the crimes done by IC and Parimala. Don't be cheated into believing that your mom will somehow come out of all this without paying a price for all the sins she has committed against this family and many such helpless families. Like I told many people like you who were trying to play the Christianity card and gloss it over with some religious talk, please be certain that I will do all I can to get justice to this family. If it means that I have to take a RSS flag and run, I will do it without any second thoughts. That's what I meant when I told you earlier that I will not leave any stone unturned in my pursuit to rescue my dad and help this family. My morality is such that I will do all I can for people who depend on me for help. I don't play games with people like some do. I value people as individuals and not as some sort of numbers which make up a religious group such as a what you proudly call this rogue organization as church. I am still willing to talk if you can have a honest conversation. I hope this answer I gave to Betty will provide you details of the clarity I have in my mind about what I have braced up to do to get to the bottom of this mess.
Suniemi, It Is mind boggling to me that any case where there is involvement of LEF is so hard to even get filed with police. Now that yo mentioned about Betty and police coming to HQ in relation to the uproar she raised against a wife abuser, I am curious to know if that alleged abused woman and her daughter's were helped by the police and there was some amicable resolution with that family. I am slowly losing confidence in the caliber of chennai police. If indeed Chennai police acted swiftly in shutting off Betty's mouth, isn't surprising that John Daniel went after the same family in the recent May retreat. Makes me wonder if police are actually empowering Daniels to run a muck like this.
Suniemi, its you initiated this debate not WB, and you could have looked at this issue in more matured way... Pls, both of you continue your work the way how almighty leading you, not fighting between you.
These two were your original comments: 1. If a person is missing, the first recourse is to go to the police station and file a missing person complaint. It appears that this has not been done. Political parties are not meant to find missing persons! AFAIK Immanuel & Parimala are no longer in LEF. Why do you link Elizabeth’s disappearance to LEF? Where is her husband? Does he know the whereabouts of his wife? 2. The end does not justify the means. The police are responsible to find missing persons and not political parties. Your tone that is usually rational (as it appears as Suniemi) doesn't exactly match your tone here. I am already dealing with numerous idiots like Betty who are playing the Christian card and are trying to project all of this as Christian persecution and I am tired of answering idiots. I have a job to do with this blog and I am not into all this Christian theology and for me LEF is a pure a criminal organization that has a Christian front. I had some doubts about this earlier but my recent encounter with the rogues at HQ confirmed to me that LEF is run by thugs. Gunalan is a rogue no.1. But for the insulation he enjoys because of LEF, this thug would have been beaten up with chappals (not by men but by women). That is how wicked and evil he is. So, if such a thug is a face of LEF, I can only imagine what kind of evil is carried out in LEF. So, all attempt by anyone to arouse Christian sentiments ( I doubt if any exist in me anymore!!!) will be futile. I know what I am up against and I also know who are the only people who can confront these rogues. Peace to you my friend as we part ways with our line of thought.
Why do you react to question posted by Suniemi ? Without filing FIR for missing person, you are questioning her saying, "What to do when police don't do what they are supposed to do?" File HCP before High Court. There are remedy available to resort but not the one you have chosen. What suniemi expressed is just and what a prudent man ought to have.
Can you help find us a lawyer to file HCP? any lawyer can do that, I have submitted some websites with templates http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/Habeas-corpus-draft-petetion-25159.asp http://www.divorcelawyerindia.com/LEGAL%20DRAFTS/WRIT/WRIT-OF-HABEAS-CORPUS.html http://slsagoa.nic.in/rulesweb/page99.htm http://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/hyderabad/Habeas-Corpus-is-the-Only-Remedy-Against-Illegal-Detention-High-Court/2015/09/07/article3014268.ece It is also true that the girl left due to a domestic quarrel (the police have thousands of such cases each month, as they are overworked, they will like to close such cases without filing a FIR as it is the second step, The Police wont bother about the reasons for the quarrel or the persons behind it.) Let the parents now file a Habeas Corpus petition before the High Court as they suspect that their daughter is being held against her wishes / detained. Habeas Corpus (roughly means where is the body in latin?). The High court will order the police to search for the girl and report to it back, This may take time, as usually the Police will ask for time of 3 months. The Police will trace and present the Girl in the court. Also remember that she is a major and can decide on her own and can sweetly say on my own I decided to live apart. But once the girl comes back she can be asked by the parents to clarify the role played by IC, and Parimala in her disappearance and whether IC, Gunalan or LD paid her money to live separately. As Mrs.Gideon herself worked in the police department, let she ask her serving and retired friends and let them file in Telungana State. Once a car full of TS police visit IC and Parimal the cookie will start crumbling.
Some of the thugs in LEF are violent because of the congidence of their power in LEF. Yes LEF gives them power its the LEF thugs claim saying no one can touch them whatever they do.
In suneime site some one posted that site is more biblical . WB is taking down LEF. But he does not understand WB is victim but Sunemie is just an observer. You dont sit and watch when some one is killing your family
Both the Suniemi and the WB sites have done great service to abused LEF victims in their different ways.
We do know that WB's family has suffered much through the machinations of LEF and the Daniels. However it is wrong to assume, just because Suniemi has chosen to remain unidentified for the present, that he/she is a mere bystander!
It is important that LEF victims who think of themselves as Christians are made clear as to how LEF developed into what it (sadly) is now, and shown exactly where LEF departs from biblical teachings and practices - that it what Suniemi has been doing. Nobody takes the time and trouble that Suniemi has to examine and publish the false beliefs and dubious history of LEF/the Daniel dynasty if he/she is not also deeply troubled by them on a personal level. I am as sure as I can be that Suniemi has a personal interest in seeing LEF exposed, as well as a general desire to help its victims - just like WB! Equally WB has had the courage to set aside anonymity, inform about LEF and Daniel abuses as they happen, and physically attempt to stop them by whatever legal means are available. That takes persistence, a great deal of energy, and courage, in WB's circumstances
They may have experienced some disagreement recently, perhaps because of mutual misunderstandings, but to my knowledge no other Indians apart from firstly Suniemi, then Whistleblower soon after, have taken the initiative in trying to expose LEF publicly. The Bible tells us that Satan loves to sow dissension, anything to inhibit evil being addressed and defeated. Satan wants LEF to continue to escape accountability.
Let us therefore support and encourage them both as they seek to address the evils of LEF.
As i see the problem is about the missing lady and the child who have been virtually disconnected from their family(husband/parents/in laws and friends).This is primarily due to a misunderstanding or domestic discontent between the husband and wife.People like Parimala and IC have a role to play in this family mess but it is wrong to conclude that they are the only people responsible for the marriage that is failing. It is wrong to preclude that Lily or LEF are playing a negative influence.The missing girl and her husband should sort out their differences by talking to each other and if tht doesnt workout they must meet a family counselling specialist (not from LEF).LEF is a crooked wicked establishment.The present LEF leadership should be put behind bars.
Yes LEF has big part to play in domestic violence, even criminal activites in many so called Godly , fasting prayer families, In fact some on the fasting prayerscare the worst and top criminals. There are lor oc proofs. Sone put people on the pulpit to cver up their illifal criminal coruuptive life. There are strong proofs with withesses. Dirty filthy relgeon in LEF
WB have a news bulletin on LEf once in two months at least. U can publish the comments here as it is. Disappearance of mother and child is grave crime. Religion is not important here. Justice to the grieving parents is all that matter. Once this issue comes in public all other matters like finances will be taken care. We need shout into the ears of these gullible Lef--ties.i am following you from the beginning I know how hard you are working to give pea e to the parents. U are taking time to answer to every silly question here. In one way it's good for newcomers of WB but it takes lot on u. Stick to one important point of MISSING GIRL. to the people in Tamil and Telugu. That will shut all other channels of filling up the KHAJANA OF LEF. Once it is stopped you can concentrate on other issues. Like devouring of sites from the evangelist. And family wrenching by taking fathers from children and wife etc etc. Let this issue of missing girl should be known to the public. You write why and how it happened. Why they are hiding. Write about the rejection of taking FIR by the TN police too if needed. Just as it is. Here we are not fighting against human beings. To err is human. You are fighting against the system. And the atrocities done by the system of LEF. Set your priorities properly.. chalk out one by one. Most of all this news should go into the hands on paper to the laymen... of LEF. Am I clear?
As a young mother of two there was a time that I wanted to run away from one of the monster LEFEvil families. . Could not bear the pain my family will go through. Had to watch all the dirty evil politics and wicked life of the whole family. But God in his mercy deliver me by taking me far and bringing Godly people from outside.. But after long time this monsterous evil faie holy family is trying again to take over using ministry. They were warned even by senior Daniel . But never listen. I know first hand what this young mother is going through. Wish able to tallk to the parents. You can get justice only from outside.otherwise they will kill you as long as others dont know. Some how there will be accidents. I wish people see the evil in LEF which is seen by outside Gods children so easily. God did not put the story of Solomons widom to save the child in vain.
Thank you for sharing your experience. It can't be easy for you.
Please, LEF people who are still wavering, take this lady's testimony very seriously and get out of LEF without further delay.
The more people who turn their backs on the Daniels and LEF, the more possible you will make it for these unhappy mothers, trapped in abusive LEF situations by fears for their families, to be free.
Without supporters the Daniels and their henchmen will lose their power to dominate vulnerable people.
PLEASE LEAVE LEF, DO IT AS OPENLY AS YOU CAN, AND SHARE YOUR EXPERIENCE HERE TO ENCOURAGE THE DOWNTRODDEN VICTIMS OF LEF TO DO LIKEWISE.
To the mothers who are trapped, you may not see deliverance as God brought in my life. It really took a decade . Everyday llived in fear of death.Only God was my help. So cling to God. There is no man no power no evil greater than God. Romans 8 :11 says the same spirit that raised JESUS dwells in you. So we dont have to bow down to lawless evil. Obviousley they have no JESUS inside of them . Only in their lips and fake life. Only God can save us from these monsters and he will show you lot of mirackles as he did to his children. He never changed and he still lives. He is coming soon to vindicate all his victims in LEF. Hang int there close to JESUS.
I know a family hundred times worst than this so evil that nobody will know. They will make the very person whom they are evil to work for their evil
ReplyDeleteIt is sad to see people discussing issues in a blog .Disappointing to see that you use non Christian political outfits to fight with LEF.We should fight with LEF exposing their unbiblical acts but not through posters and politicians.
ReplyDeleteWe are clearly incapable of fighting by exposing the unbiblical acts of LEF? Can you please do that? Believe me you will be given a huge medal if you can bring the missing mother and child back by using biblical and theological methods of persuading these evil people to mend their ways
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DeleteSo how do you suggest exposing the evils of LEF and what are you doing about it? This has been going on for many decades, with everyone being aware of what is happening, but everyone being too much of a chamcha or too scared of unbiblical Daniel threats to do anything. If LEF people will not cleanse their own stable, then others who will need to be called in.
It is more unbiblical to ignore evil and allow it to continue for decades, than to employ secular means against it when those who should be challenging the perpetrators and removing the evil refuse to do so.
Have you left LEF? If not, why not? If so, what stops you telling us about it here?
Your witness about standing up to LEF and turning your back on it would be far more useful to readers than simply criticising the means employed by more courageous people in trying to stop deep-seated corruption, greed, and cruelty.
The blog has been going for more than 2 years now. Its a long time. Had LEF acted on the complaints by itself when it was at least highlight in a blog like this it would not have gone thus far. So don't complain and bee happy some thing is happening for good of the the afflicted and for the victims.
DeleteThe allegations are true, what a pity that the LEF has been driven to this stage of destruction by the greedy family members.
ReplyDeleteGod used Babylonians to take care of isralites when they turned away from God. It looks like LEF will learn their lessons from Hindus not from Bibke
ReplyDeleteWe are seeking help to help a girl. How does it matter, Hindus, Christians or Muslims. the Christians inside LEF are anyway not helping. LEast they can do is to walk away to another church. Or is it against the Bible?
ReplyDeleteThe New Testament clearly states that Christians should separate themselves from evil, especially evil in their midst. Some have indeed walked away from LEF. The rest must be using the ill-written, brain-washing writings of Joshua Daniel as a substitute for the Bible; or they are spineless pretend sheep who submit to bullies rather than do what is right. Maybe LEF henchmen are infusing the tuck-shop products at May retreats with some kind of long-lasting drug that causes Daniel-worship and chamcha-ism?
DeleteI am reminded of Shakespeare's 'Midsummer Night's Dream', in which Oberon, king of the fairies, bewitches his spirited wife into falling in love with a crude and ugly weaver called (significantly?) 'Bottom'. For both 'Oberon' and 'Bottom' read 'Joshua Daniel'. For 'spirited wife' read 'average LEF attender'.
Shakespeare's Oberon, because he really loved his wife, reversed the enchantment. Joshua Daniel, who never truly loved the average LEF attender, still dominates his/her thinking even from his pricey but tasteless castle tomb in Kilpauk cemetery. However since the Daniel kingdom is not part of a fairy tale, LEF attenders are at perfect liberty to help the Gideon family and oust the occupants of 9b Nungambakkam High Road (which premises, along with all the other LEF 'temples', the average LEF attender actually paid for). If the countless facts now brought to light have not disenchanted LEF supporters, no fairy could lift the Daniel spell!
LEF dupes, if you, as (alleged) Christians, do not like the involvement of non-Christians in trying to help this mother and child, and in confronting the evil LEF regime, why do you not do it yourselves? Doesn't the Bible describe the assisting of the vulnerable as a natural outworking of the Christian faith? Shouldn't you be eradicating the 'leaven' in your midst?
The end does not justify the means. The police are responsible to find missing persons and not political parties.
DeleteWhich means are you opposed to? Can you suggest some means to get the missing woman and child to safety. Girl was cut off from the parents because of the games played by Lily Daniel and her stooges. Husband claims he has not been living with his wife for last year and a half and files a complaint with police just a month ago that his wife and child are missing. Husband's father accuses parents for not caring about the daughter and go one step further and say that the girl has become a sex worker in a brothel house but nobody knows where she is. For whatever reason, police are not acting. So, tell me what you would you have done. What means do you suggest? If you are who I think who you are, it doesn't surprise me one bit that you eventually resurfaced with your true colors and your unique way of defending LEF because just like many you too are nervous that when non-Christians get involved, it will eventually bring Christianity and its tenets to scrutiny. That's exactly why Joshua Daniel and his clan never worried about any kind of uproar from within. A person like me is a loose cannon and nobody in LEF has ever accounted for a person like me who knows too much about the muck in LEF and is not wooed by religious sentiments to put under covers all the atrocities done in churches and there by
Deleteprotect the "Christain image."
I do not think that Suniemi is trying to defend LEF here, but perhaps to comment that for Christians there are biblical instructions as to how to deal with evil within and outside of the 'church'. However it is debatable whether such principles and instructions in terms of the 'church' can apply to LEF, or be carried out in LEF, because LEF is not a church in the biblical sense.
DeleteIn the same way, WB, there is nothing for genuine Christians to fear in having the true tenets of the Christian faith examined by anyone in the course of any investigation. What is taught and practised in LEF bears little relationship to the teachings of the Christian faith, so you (WB) are right in thinking that the LEF perpetrators would be nervous about being scrutinised.
Surely the object of this website is to uncover and stop the abuses of a cultish organisation, not to question the beliefs of genuine Christians? However if those who have been asked (in this case the police), in their official capacity, to do something about a missing and vulnerable woman and her infant, are unwilling to help, then I cannot blame the family for accepting any other help that is offered, from whatever (lawful) source.
That something extremely dubious and suspicious has been going on was made clear many months ago, and also that LEF persons are behind it. I refer to the fact that the Gideon parents/grandparents, having been alienated (by LEF persons) from their daughter/grandson, were then invited to the child's first birthday party. They travelled some distance in pleased expectation, only to find that neither mother nor child was present, but that certain LEF 'leaders' were. One was Caleb Daniel as I recall. Another was an older man. As it was reported, the LEF people continued with the party as if there was nothing unusual about the absence of the birthday boy and his mother, even cutting the cake (?) and subjecting the very worried Gideon parents/ grandparents to some kind of long talk about LEF history (?), and possibly one of their tedious LEF prayer meetings (topics unknown?). This is very strange behaviour on the part of the LEF 'leaders' and certainly sufficient evidence to indicate that LEF people were acting according to some devious plan thought out in advance, purpose as yet unfathomed. If they knew that the mother and child were missing, why did they not alert the Gideons in advance? Why did someone give some kind of history talk, knowing how worried the guests must be?
To Suniemi and WB I would say that, given the above, and the unbiblical nature of LEF, this was a secular matter, not a 'Christian church' matter, even though the LEF people involved consider themselves to be Christian members of a Christian church. Since it is a secular, possibly criminal, matter, the police should have done something. If they did not, or could not, I cannot criticise anyone for seeking help elsewhere. The end ( finding the missing ones) can justify the means if the first and most obvious courses of action (the police) prove unsuccessful, and the subsequent means are within the law.
It would be a pity if this matter, or any part of WB's and Suniemi 's efforts to stop the abuses carried out by LEF on at least humanitarian grounds, turned into some kind of Christian/Hindu/political conflict, something that Betty Daniel is already trying to make it into.
It is very clear from my site that I do not support LEF but I defend the Christian faith and truth. For the issue of a missing person, the right way is to go to the police station. The girl’s parents should have approached the police long ago if the husband did’t bother. You know that the police immediately came to HQ when a complaint was made on Betty. For the husband’s complaint did the police provide a CSR ? Why haven’t you filed a RTI / PIL for police inaction?
DeleteNo never.
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DeleteOops. Thanks for catching it
ReplyDeleteIf the real issue is the missing lady and the baby IC and his girlfriend must be interrogated by the police.Once the lady is located she must be reunited with her husband and they must leave Chennai for some place and live their lives without the interference of relatives and LEF.
ReplyDeleteWhat is your pitch with ..."if the real issue is the missing..." Whom do you want to see protected? Who gave Immanuel Chakravarthy and Parimala access to this innocent girl whose life is ruined? Isn't it the witch Lily Daniel? What about her son who comes and browbeats people? What about Gunalan who is the real culprit who authored all the letters which went out under the name of Joshua Daniel?
DeleteThe immediate priority is rescue of the mother and Child from the evil influence of LEF and Parimala gang.
DeleteThe final Goal is to get all criminals (Daniels,Gunalan and other rogues) behind bars.We are thankful that you whistleblowers are bold to expose the evil deeds of the goondas to the whole world.
Why did you leave out Bangalore Raniamma (queen), Peace and her children Callu Baby and Marcus Baba, and families, now even the great son-in-law wants to continue the great ministry (of eating). Please put their photos on another poster, then Peter Iqbal, Daniel Mani, George, Marcus (at Madras)
ReplyDeleteThought Marcus Daniel left the LEFI around 8yrs ago. He is serving in a different church in Bangalore. He was sidelined by the Daniel's and his own family for preaching about the subject "Grace" which is a taboo!!!!
DeleteMarcus left LEF and hoped on to different churches.First it was Richmond Town Methodist Church where he shot into prominence because of his mama (uncle & brother of Raniamma who is a elder in the church) .And then he moved on to another church.Marcus leaving LEF was expected and came in a bit late.We thought he would leave soon after his marriage.The point one needs to note is in the case of Senior Daniels (JD,Francis,Kamala and Persis) all of them married Tamils.JD,Francis and Kamala married Nadars as about that time there were many high profile nadars who joined LEF.But when it came to their children the Senior Daniels where picky and choose and went in for smart spouse hunting.The primary criterea was wealth.Marc and Calu baby married girls from wealthy families.John married a german because JD expected Germany to become a superpower and those days LEF was betting big on Germany.Marcus may be a good musician but he is not a smart politician.Callu is a guy who will nod his head and take everything.It remains to be seen how the brothers will manage after Raniamma's days are over.It is expected that Callu will take over LEF Bangalore and if that happens 50 to 70% of the present congregation will leave LEF.
DeleteMarcus was made a centre head in Bangalore, though he was not qualified in any way as a trailer by JD, to check how well the people will accept the son following his dad. Marcus cannot preach, He used to read some books on Grace by Philip Yancey, and sometimes read the books in his messages. He was not interested in the job of a centre leader but was happy with the benefits. He was also insubordinate and self willed, and didn't care one bit about JD or JJD, so JJD and JD ousted him out. Marcus used to preach on the same verse for 7-8 weeks, and to say that he was sent out for preaching grace is not correct. Anyway his present house is free with all expenses paid out of the LEF offerings (his grand mum also similarly supported his dad, so what is the problem), Daniel name opens the purses of heaven and earth. Marcus and Callu father in law's know about their sons-in-law's but are quiet as enough LEF offering money oils the wheels.
DeleteI heared that John Daniel turned tail and ran out of India as a coward he is, but still the money stealing system is in place , cut it off and let the great man earn his living
ReplyDeletewhistleblower. are you a christian? seems like you don't like Christianity.
ReplyDelete#IamNOTanlefsupporter
If my being a Christian makes me not do what I am doing to uproot evil done in the name of God and religion, then I don't mind dropping my Christian label. I hope you got the message :-)
DeleteIt is not Christianity my dear it is a family private unthical money business which I dont like
DeleteHow come the picture of Washingtons pictures are not in this group. I guess they are not as powerful as they claim But oh boy controlled and ruined many lives claiming their power in LEF. No wonder never will allow others to check their power. But Washington you know you have big part in corruption if your claim of power is true. Or you are so evil that you can hide your self better behind satan
ReplyDeleteWhich washington are you referring?The translator?
DeleteIf its the translator he is a petty politician scouting for prominence.He is the chamcha of IC.
You are 100% right. The whole family for decades
DeleteThey are just what bible says
Romans 16:18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.
IC can be considered honorable compared with Washingtons if only the truth is revealed. There is nothing this family is not guilty of. But got the power from Satan to hide it all
DeleteYou need to be more specific in your allegations against Washingtons. Please consider giving in writing with names and other details of what Washingtons have done to hurt innocent people. We hope to see the house cleaned very soon. So, please be specific and I promise that appropriate action will be initiated. It will not be of any use to just post here that Washingtons are evil without giving any details.
DeleteThey lied in many places to get what they want. They even framed atories that peoplevlie with siblings and parents to get what they want. There is proof that even Sr Daniel warned them. This family is ok with doing ministry among singoe ladies alone. Very abusive physicaly and verbally. Many poor helpers suffered this for not gossiing for them even marriage stooped. Even cheated the government one of them sent out of the country just given three days nearly handcuffed. Even paid some LEF mebers rs 100 and a bible to stop them from going to others bible study. Scream and threaten people everywhere to give them what they want. Even threaten to beat up their families if they dont get their way. Got caught many times lying about their ministry in LEF for their personnal gain outside LEF. Bribe people to gossip . Gossip is lke breathing. Not a single person left they dont gossip about. Believe me there is even unexplained three deaths when found others were framed. They can go anywhere abd get anything they want without any credentials cause chaos and still cone out very Godly. That is hight of evil. Ruined many lives to get even for somethings which are insignificant.
DeleteWorst than all that is listed so far Some beyond belief that they are humans. In fact looks lije they went back to the witchcraft that they came out. Or changed tge style using bible
DeleteFor Washingtons LEF is like lipstick on the pig just to make it look pretty and hide the stink.
DeleteCan you give all of this on an affidavit and mail to savelefi@hotmail.com?
DeleteThank you for believing and trusting. In their hearts they know how evil they are and how many times they gor caught and warned. Shamelessly they act everything is alright. The funny thing they say everybody in LEF are like them. Nooooooo. There are lot of genuine Godly sacrificial people. Washingtons are just rogues hiding behind the genuine people sometime even crushing them for their gain. Yes and yes they will fall in the same pit tgey dug for others.
DeleteCalled some places to get what you want. This much corruption over decades to get the affidavit akes some extra time and work. But will do when needed.at any cost. Evil needs to stop.
DeleteBetter than affidavit. Have strong witness who knows the corruption for decades is willing to speak up. Very Godly person worked along in ministry.
DeleteGod used three pagan wise men to honor his birth. Used Babylonians to desciplined Israelites. Used king Darius to prove that Daniels God is the real donkey for Balaam to see the Angel. Raven to feed the prophet Elijah
ReplyDeleteEphesians. 5:
…10Test and prove what pleases the Lord.11Have no fellowship with the fruitlessdeeds of darkness, but rather expose them.12For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret.…
Evil need to be exposed. Proverbs. 28:4. Those who forsake the law forsake the wicked. We see that in LEF top to bottom for their own personal gain
Proverbs 1:10. When sinners entice do not yield going along with corruption charges d abomination I from of God. It does not matter how big you are in ministry. Jesus calls such people white washed tombs
Who are elizabeth and pparimala WB? We are not aware of them.
ReplyDeleteGo and read the earlier posts on this blog and you will find out
DeleteIt's hard to search... post about them in short.
DeleteApparently the bootlickers of Daniel family are now getting nervous on seeing this poster and are calling Mr. Gideon to find out why he is getting the help of Hindus. Some of these men in LEF are bunch of cowards and are kept busy chewing the bones that Lily Daniel throws at them and from nowhere they become indignant to defend the Christian cause. I understand that some guy called to show his disapproval of this family seeking the help of Indu Makkal Kakshi group. Sir, can you please tell me in what way you tried to help Gideons who have been suffering because of all the injustice done to this family which has lost its daughter to this rogue organization? Some of these LEF fellows need to be hanged and that is the only way we can purge the earth of these evil rogues who do so much damage to others in the name of God and religion.
ReplyDeleteThis is a slight deviation, but I have just watched Betty Daniel trying to 'preach' in her husband''s Miami Village church (has she not read what the Bible says about women occupying pulpits?), in the course of which she she says that she is 'a missionary kid' which is why she 'always wants to save people' (re a small fire in the basement). Betty always refers to herself in public as a 'missionary kid', which she thinks gives her some kind of special status amongst evangelical believers in the USA. She has even trained Mr. Betty Daniel to do it!
DeleteFirstly, Betty is not a 'missionary kid', but the daughter of a man who was never a responsible member of a biblically regulated church, who was never biblically commissioned by any church leadership or membership to do what he did, and what he did was by no stretch of the imagination the selfless, gentle conveying of the genuine Gospel message expected of true Christian missionaries.
Secondly, if Betty considers herself to be a 'missionary kid' following in the footsteps of her 'missionary' (not) father, and hence constantly wanting to 'save' people, why has she not tried to help the Gideon family save their daughter and grandchild on her regular 'missionary' (not) visits to India?
Thirdly, what about Betty's fairly recent and rather murky past? Did she publicly confess her sins (in true LEF tradition) before starting to trade on her father's (equally but differently murky) reputation?
What a deluded hypocrite of a woman, certainly a fitting daughter of Joshua and Lily, and sibling of John and Lydia! The apple does not fall far from the tree, even though the tree rejected the apple before he died!
Betty is a missionary kid because she believes that she is. She is a dumb semi literate busybody whose needs must be met by the LEF out of offerings given by poor. Now she is genuinely surprised that people are not falling at her feet and giving her a lot of money, admiration and respect.
DeleteWhy are you writing about Betty who is a Big Joke?.Betty's messages are just for entertainment.Watch it for some time Laugh and move on .
DeleteUnfortunately, incredible as it may seem, some people apparently do take Betty's ramblings seriously. People in her (3rd) husband's church are being conned into giving her money for her so-called Indian 'ministry' (!). Poor people in India are also being asked for money via her embarrassing Telegu TV broadcasts, and last year's so-called 'preaching tours' in South India. Meanwhile she s currently trying to discredit Whistleblower's efforts in an uncouth, ill-informed, but covert way.
DeleteSo it doesn't hurt to draw public attention to the foolishness and inconsistencies of this slightly sinister joke of a woman from time to time -especially as she fairly recently made a great show on FB of supporting 'abused women in India'! With all the money she collects from Americans and Indians for her 'ministry', surely she could have been true to all her show-off ranting by helping this abused Indian mother and child from a decent family who have fallen into the clutches of Betty's own family - the very family, the Daniels, on whom she (wrongly) depends for her frequent description of herself as a 'missionary kid'?
One does laugh, but one cannot entirely 'move on'. Fakes who operate in the name of Christianity need to be monitored and, when necessary, exposed. They can be spiritual poison to naive people, which Betty is.
Lockup Immanuel, Parimala, Lily Daniel and Gunalan in a police lockup. Cut Immanuels pension, within 5 minutes the missing women with child will surface. These liars are the root cause.
ReplyDeleteWashingtons are sooo smart that they managed to free themselves from the list while claiming everywhere they are the most powerful family and being the closeset friend to IC from childhood and doing the worst possible to people using their power in LEF.
DeleteNo LEF center gives account about the offerings to the local congregation.Even the hq don't give the account in their anniversary booklet (we have to buy that even it is not given free to the congregation which is once in a year affair).The local members must be educated about how their money given to God's kingdom being spent by these so called holy men.
ReplyDeleteIf more money is with you, you stop depending on God & you slip away and try to manipulate things to take hold of that money.Perhaps with that thinking the age old fellows in LEF stopped divulging details about offerings received & thought that the center incharge will spend wisely for the glory of the God. Well what I see now is what they fear about congregation came true for the center incharges. they become greedy, covetous & dis-honest like judas iscariot... David Paul
No LEF center gives account is true, more things happen, please come to a so called centre in a state capital (where I was on tour), the distinguished family member of Daniel clan could not walk, but was sitting waiting for something, The the service ended, the offering bags were stuffed into her purse and the car took off, the LEF members were all smiles, Do they give money to God or Gods Children or to a rich family, these poor people could not think.The LEF is a franchisee, pay a little to the top all that remains is yours, lifetime employment and enjoy. Next will be anniversary, the report will be sold (and where does the money go, into the pocket),Why the audited income and expense statement is never issued, because of the uncontrolled stealing at all levels.,some congregation members who are rich must pay for the bun and sugary milk (so that net profit doesn't reduce),So much the Daniel old man would be puffed up as equal to Abraham, Moses etc. and the son of the family will wear a coat and suit and blabber so badly so that no one understands a bit, and all will be in raptures, cruel defrauding confidence tricksters, keep away from these frauds, they will act so loving but with hidden ulterior motives.
DeleteWhistleblowers are doing the best work which no Christian in Lef do. We are cowards boneless shameless creatures. The reasons may be any or many. Only the cry of the suppressed heard by WB and they took the action in proper way.
ReplyDeleteDon't try to speak unnecessary useless points like Betty and other stuff. WB is on target let us give information which they needed..or keep quiet. These Lef money mongers are cunning foxes. In the name of Mr. Daniels vision these stupid leaders blackmailed threatened and oppressed many evangelists and common people. WB is doing the best work. Still more to do.Let us pray that the Lord help the oppressed. Don't speak about Christianity or Betty or all those unnecessary matters. Betty is black sheep of the family. A poor confused girl who is oppressed by her own family. Get information about IC Gunalan and other good as who manipulated the entire Lef along with Daniel family. The problem is this WB is not yet reached the Telugu speaking undereducated people.if once WB reached them a great uproar will swallow these mongers. I
Read Animal Farm Written by George Orwell it's the story of LEF
ReplyDeleteCan someone do me a favor and find out who is this LEF fellow who logs into the blog from Kumar, Himachal Pradesh? This guy I know is that Anil rogue who finds immense pleasure in writing obscenities. If this rogue doesn't stop his obscenity, I will have to work with some IT guys to find out his identity to initiate the necessary action
ReplyDeleteI'm a city president of ABVP in Andhra any support you need from my side?
ReplyDeleteThank you for the offer. We need all the help we can get. Can you please send your contact details to savelefi@hotmail.com? You can also post the contact details here for the benefit of those who might be seeking help. Thanks again
DeleteThis will be a challenging road for whistleblowers because the government will not be keen to upset minorities fearing unnecessary controversies.If there is ample evidence to warrant an enquiry and they are weak on defence then they can be prosecuted.
ReplyDeleteThese rogues so boldly did all this evil thinking that they will hide behind the minority cover. But the evil they are doing has reached such a level that other minority organizations also will not come to the rescue of LEF rogues. There is nothing Christian or religious about what these thugs do. It is a pure case of human rights violation that can be termed as anti-social and anti-national. Most battles are lost because most human beings have a "defeated mentality," i.e., they have lost the battle in their minds. I am fortunate to be surrounded by people who are positive and believe that evil will be defeated.
DeleteCome to our ABVP office. Let's take this issue directly to modi's desk.
ReplyDeleteIs it the Hyderabad office?
ReplyDeletePray with all my heart that you win. Only that can deliver me from this monster and many victms who are helpless like me for a very long time
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ReplyDeleteWe have branches all over india.
ReplyDeleteHyderabad is in Telangana.
Can you see us in Delhi office?
We will surely come and meet you in Delhi office. Before we do that, we would like to meet your counterparts both in Chennai and Hyderabad offices. Could you please give a heads up to them that our people will come and see them in Chennai and Hyderabad? Thanks again for extending your help
Deletecontact details of our office in Chennai.
ReplyDeleteLet them know clearly about the issues and ask them for the BJYM support too.
BJYM is also a wing of BJP. So by taking help from these two in hand will give you strength.
If the FIR is filed we should not enter into the case. i.e third party have no rights to get into it.
So i recommend you to ask ABVP and BJYM Chennai. For their support to speed up the issue.
Take this issue into PRINT Media & ELECTRONIC Media which will become very easier. So, the Police officials will take this issue seriously.
I'll you give my contact details later. until then we'll go here. :)
Akhil Bharatiya Vidyarthi Parishad
Address: New 350, Shivaji Street, T Nagar, T Nagar, Chennai, Tamil Nadu 600017
Phone: 044 2434 3457
Thank you for the information. Yes, we will visit your Chennai office. I look forward to establishing a direct contact with you. Until then, let's keep this channel of communication open. Thanks again for the leads.
ReplyDeleteBest Regards, LEF Whistleblower (that's what I need to go with for now :-))
Be careful don't trust any one. Go with police escort .u need not go and meet them. Let them come meet you where you want. Be vigilant my dear.
DeleteThanks for the word of caution. It is so sad when we have to doubt our own shadows. With the people who have been duped by LEF rogues, it is doubly important to pay heed to these words of caution. It is painful when we cannot take people for their word and go with it without doubting them. As sad as it is to acknowledged it, there are some unfortunate ones who are destroyed by LEF who have nothing more to lose than what they have already lost to LEF. For such people, any ray of hope is worth pursuing.
ReplyDeleteYou Can trust us Mr. Whistle Blower.
DeleteOur Heart beats for the society.
No matter how hard it is we face any battles politically and internal.
All the best take care.
May your God help you do all the things.
I am ever indebted to people like you who help for the sake of helping and who are moved with compassion when you come across the unfortunate ones in our society. Please don't get us wrong because of the comments you see here. This particular family for which we are seeking help has worked for this organization for almost 40 years in total servitude. They moved from place to place with small children starting with Coonor in the down south all the way to Anantnag, Kashmir which is in northern part of the country. They have sent both their young children to Chennai to get trained by this church as Lily Daniel ( the defacto leader ) persuaded the family to do so. The young girl of this family fell a prey to the sexual abuse by none other than Immanuel Chakrvarthy, Financial Director of this LEF society. Parimala, the then Principal of the school which this young girl worked for was the enabler for all this as she was a close associate of Immanuel Chakravarthy and Lily Daniel. Nude photographs of some of these abused women floated around on watsapp. When the family realized all this and started to confront Lily Daniel and her son John Daniel, this girl was quickly married off toParimala's nephew. The marriage was solemnized at LEF's retreat center called Beulah Garden. Once the girl got married, she was completely isolated from her family. She was directed by Lily Daniel not to have anything with her parents and brother. When the family persisted, they were wrongly accused of stealing money from LEF and driven out to a remote village near Tirupathi from Nalgonda(where they have worked for almost 15 years). Long story short, this girl never really lived with her husband for any considerable amount of time and has always been on the run or in hiding. Parents had become mute spectators to all this as they were now disgraced in this community as thieves and not one person from this LEF community came to help this family. This girl is bitter against the parents and her family for obvious reasons and also due to intense mind control games played by Parimala who has enslaved this girl both mentally and physically. This girl is now missing along with her 2 year old son and now her husband's family is blaming girl's parents of not caring for her and are alleging that this girl is now working as sex worker in a brothel house. Parents have been running around for help for almost one year now. They knocked on many doors of many Christian organizations and not one person helped. Finally we found some help from Indu Makkal Katchi group and here are these LEF rogues now calling foul that Hindu terrorists are attacking them through whistle blower sites. Betty Daniel, the daughter of Lily Daniel has written an acerbic account to provoke the religious sentiments of people by projecting that this church is come under attack by Hindu gangs and terrorists. All of this because the brother of this missing girl went to LEF's HQ with some IMK people to talk to Lily Daniel about the whereabouts of his sister. This woman Lily Daniel refused to come out and her stooge Gunalan did all the talking. Here is this fool Betty Daniel (daughter of Lily Daniel) trying to project all this as some kind of attack on churches by Hindu terrorists. Betty Daniel conveniently forgets that her mother bribed the police to put all of this under cover and also has never allowed Immanuel Chakrvarthy (IC) and Parimala to be prosecuted by the law of the land as this family used IC to send money to her family in the US through illegal means. IC and Parimala used their positions in this church to exploit the helplessness of this innocent girl and this fool Betty Daniel claims that church has nothing to do with this and that her mother Lily Daniel did not rape this girl.
DeleteI will post Betty Daniel's hate speech in a bit on the blog.
DeleteIn any case, I am thankful for the offer of help. Our person visited your Chennai office today and was warmly welcomed by the sevaks at ABVP office. They gave a patient hearing to what we had to say and we left some papers with them of the petitions we have submitted to several police personnel and government officers. No FIR has been filed so far. The immediate help we need is to get the mother and the 2 year old child to safety and isolate them from who ever has been holding her as captive.
Any help ABVP or any of its sister organizations can do in this issue will be greatly appreciated. It is not your God or our God who has any role to play in this kind of injustice done by people who do all this in the name of God. Some of these men would be better off without the God they claim to serve. I am certain that you all will find compassion in your hearts to help this family. Will look forward to hearing from you. Sorry if you felt that we were doubting your motives as you are from a Hindu out fit. No, not at all. If I were to do that, there would not be any meaning to the choices I have made in my personal life to isolate myself from these cult like Christian organizations. I am not Mr(😊). I am a woman.
Thanks again Mr. ABVP (I get to return the favor for addressing me Mr. Whislte blower 😊😊😊).
That's Great.
DeleteMrs.Whistleblower.
They will take care of you even I'll call them and I'll tell them to take the issue seriously.
I strongly recommend you now to go into the national media channels and local media channels which will be very helpful for you to get all the support from all the organisations as the news will be out.
Can i have your email ID?
DeleteThere is Boy in Vijayawada ( Andhra Pradesh) he is a State president of ABVP.
You can see him. He will be even more helpful he have Good links with PM's Office. I think he can do for you.
I don't like to send his contact details here. Is there any alternative to contact you?
Sure. Email me at savelefi@hotmail.com. Please be assured that this email address is secure and only I have access to this email and nobody else.
DeleteI am sure thousands of victims who are helplessly trapped in this messy manipulative group LEF team are praying for WB to win . That is the only way many will be saved from slavery.
DeleteAnonymousJuly 29, 2016 11:57 AM, thank you for words of encouragement. It really is not my winning. Humanity has to win. The weak and defenseless in our society cannot be trampled upon by people who run these rogue organizations by manipulative religious indoctrination. Why should a 2-yr child bear the brunt of all this and become a fugitive because of what his mother has been subjected to? Why can't people simply be human? It doesn't require a saint to take pity for a 2 year child who is missing along with his mother. It is ok if people cannot help. All I want people to do is not politicize the whole thing and make it some kind of a Hindu-christian war. It is the war between monstrosity and humanity. Whoever thinks s/he is a human being should make a wish that the child and the mother will be brought out of the clutches of these monsters. That's all it takes to be simply be human and not a monster.
DeleteYou are right. It is Gods war. Injustice done towards his innocent children by the power greedy , lust for welth mobsters, liars tge children of satan who use Gids work for their gain ruining many innocent lives including that baby. May God be with you and fight with you for his righteousness.
DeleteThank you, ABVP for the latest contact details. I will surely do the needful and make necessary phone calls. Thanks again.
DeleteGreat. Wb.
DeleteDoes John Daniel have indian citizenship?
Is he legally permitted to preach in india?
Regards,
ABVP
ABVP, you ask the right questions. No. John Daniel is not an Indian citizen. He is an American citizen who is born in US. I am guessing he has an OCI card. Not sure if that gives him legal permit to preach and head the Indian based non-profit society.
Deletehttps://www.facebook.com/liz.vancamp.9/posts/10208058351510210. Here goes the drama queen and the retarded daugter of Joshua Danel hallucinating with her usual incoherent ramblings. First IC wanted to have her killed because she was protecting the wounded sheep. Then her mother Lily Daniel became a Jezebal and was hurting the sheep. Then Gunalan became a tormentor by destroying all emails her dad recieved and he rolled his eyes and made faces when she rebuked the devil and now militant Hindus are trying to put her in jail and close down the church. Wonder what kind of mad gene the members of this family carry. Joshua Daniel's house must've been a real mad house with these eccentric personalities. May be that's why they never had all of them under one roof as they would've surely torn each other into pieces. Liz Vancamp, if you read this, please take note-This piece of rambling you posted is all that is needed to have you questioned by security personnel when you enter India because it is you who is maligning people and calling them names. Thanks for making the job of those who are trying to eliminate all anti-social elemengs who spread hate (by cashing on the religious sentiments of gullible people) by providing written proof of your intentions. It can't get any easier than this to have people like you keep your big mouths shut forever and not pose a threat to the security of people of a nation. Thanks for posting this as it will serve as a proof of all the allegations leveled against your family so far that you all are anti-social and anti- national. Keep your documentation ready to prove that you have been threatened by Hindu militant because these are very serious charges you are making against a whole community of people in India called Hindus. You are calling them terrorists and gangs. You become answerable and accountable for every word that you commit to in writing. All your mad rambling will have to stand scrutiny. India is not a lawless land like some want to believe. It has now come under the rule of a leader who truly cares for the people of his nation. You surely will be the one who will pay the price for all the sins your family members committed against innocent people using a Christian cover.
ReplyDeleteGangs of Hindu militants rampaging around the small American town of South Bend threatening Betty Daniel? Really? Better watch the international TV news......although so far nothing broadcast. Funny that Mr. Betty Daniel a.k.a. Chuck Lambdin hasn't mentioned this on FB! You'd think he would be asking his congregation and others for prayer in such circumstances. Ditto his local friends, fellow 'missionaries to India', Rick and Carrie Immel.
DeleteIf you are reading this, and are a member of a militant Hindu gang currently rampaging around South Bend looking for Betty, please get in touch. We can provide a description of Betty to assist you.
On the other hand, if you are a staff member of a state psychiatric hospital local to South Bend, and on a similar mission, we can also help you.
You are just class apart with your fine sense of humor 😄😄😄😄
DeleteWhistleblower July 28 @ 7.29pm
DeleteGotta see the funny side! Hope 'Mr. Betty Daniel' (a.k.a. 'Mr. Liz Van Camp') has a sense of humour too. He must need it - although when in an on-line video he referred (apparently in all seriousness) to Barmy Betty as 'My wife. Comes from a missionary family', you have got to wonder..........
Betty is mad and drinks a few beers and starts writing, I say drink some Cognac and write more poetry. What a pity that for nearly 50 years you fooled the LEF that you are a stalwart of the church.
DeleteLEF is the only organization which gives power to abuse steal lie Its proven fact. Lawless ruthlessmonsters. But cover it up with the mantra pray sin repent God will answer They act like God called them to ruin innocent lives. Only in LEF if you follow God you are a prey to their wicked schemes
ReplyDeleteTo all those who still believe LEF is the best church please read Jeremiah 7:4
ReplyDeleteDo not trust in deceptive words and say, "This is the temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD!"
And then read Matthew 23.LEF is a hypocritical church.
Me dad moved to the LEF premises in 1948 under the leadership of Bro. N. Daniel. He was brainwashed in such a way that if you are not saved in the fellowship, you are not genuinely saved. He toiled hard for the fellowship and for its territorial extensions, he was always considered 2nd class. We requested the hq building for my sister's wedding (arranged by Joshua Daniel) for which they counter offered Tambaram and Royapuram location. As we all know, hq building is only offered to the inner circle which is very sad. When imy wedding was arranged outside the fellowship, Lily humiliated me in front of a small group of people with harsh words and she refused to pray and bless me. She literally said that I am a thief that went through the back door. After this humiliation, I left the fellowship and I even returned their magazine that was sent to my address. The greatest disappointment is that the LEF doesn't preach the Word but gives its own gospel by using the name of Jesus. Their way of salvation is by works and not by putting our faith into the Salavation that Jesus purchased.
ReplyDeleteWill Lily Daniel have the guts to talk the same way to her own daughters, jut a plain old sly fool women who is a thief and a robber, Now the latest grand son (son of James Daniel) visited her grandma, who paid the Travel costs, Dear LEF members your sacrificial offerings, You wont send your children by flight but LD will do, just grin and bear it. John be careful this guy and his dad may remove you saying only a Daniel male heir should sit on the Daniel Throne be very watchful.
DeleteIt was not James Daniel's son. It was Joseph Daniel's son.
DeleteWatchout Washingtns will start woeshipping that boy. They plan 30 years ahead. He may be the next stepping stone for them. They have few insiders to study and inform them to help them plan decades before others come to know. Nobody will know their scheme and behind the scene drama.
DeleteIt is Joseph Daniels son, you are correct and I am wrong. so soon one more parasitic family added to an already long line of parasitic families, to live on the hard work and sacrifices of the LEF attendees.
DeleteCan the LEF leaders deny that unconverted boys, wild living boys, useless boys, certified Psychos were suggested to good God fearing girls (and a few vice versa cases), can they deny that money and family connections played a major role in such matches. All know about such cases but keep quiet.
DeleteNot being prayed for or blessed by Lily is no disadvantage! Thanks for witnessing to the abuses, and also to the fact that you had the courage and common sense to separate yourself from LEF.
ReplyDeleteWe wish that more people would write about why they left LEF, and even more people would decided to leave now and in the future.
any legal cases against LEF
ReplyDeleteIf a person is missing, the first recourse is to go to the police station and file a missing person complaint. It appears that this has not been done. Political parties are not meant to find missing persons!
ReplyDeleteAFAIK Immanuel & Parimala are no longer in LEF. Why do you link Elizabeth’s disappearance to LEF? Where is her husband? Does he know the whereabouts of his wife?
Oh wow!!! This is another side of Suniemi. Really? How can you be so certain that people have not filed a complaint with the police? Elizabeth and IC are no longer in LEF. How do you know that so affirmatively? Who told that politicians are finding Elizabeth and her son? What to do when police don't do what they are supposed to do? Who will put pressure on them to act? When the rubber hits the road, the true colors come out. For all your philosophical talk, you come out just as an average Joe. Where is the husband? In Chennai? What is he doing? He is fooling around in LEF.
ReplyDeleteThe parents cannot file a First Information Report, the Police have to do that, and what hand prevents the police from registering a FIR. Immanuel & Parimala do know where the girl Elizabeth is, these two sent her out so that more details of their affair wont come out, Now these two are bluffing, More importantly IC is being protected by Lily Daniel who famously said, if IC is arrested and sent to jail I also will have to go. So many properties bought by LEF out of offering money was registered in IC own name and the LEF board refuses to take any action, why? The husband of the girl who disappeared was told that his wife was immoral and disappeared and soon may be even married again. There are so many mysteries in this disappearance.
ReplyDeleteSounds like there should be help from Washingtns. This is their style. To escape the crime they always smear smeone with immoral stories to divert peoples attention to escape. Washington are you involved in this crime. Anyway you are not going to tell the truth. But for power you will not miss any oppurtunity. Anyway needed to warn knowing you.
DeleteWhat do you mean by the police are not acting? Did they provide a CSR? For a missing person a CSR will be given. You can check the status of the CSR here Have they closed the CSR without making attempts to find the missing person? Please give the CSR details. Maybe you could have gone to the police station where the complaint is filed and as an NRI got them to act. The Chennai police did appear in HQ based on a complaint on Betty. The police in Chennai do act on such issues. This is the correct approach to handle the issue.
ReplyDeleteI don’t go to LEF and so I have no way of knowing if IC, Parimala & Elizabeth are still part of LEF but I don’t think they were spotted in any centre. Do you have proof that they are still part of LEF?
Police closed the CSR saying it is a domestic quarrel and refused file a FIR. You seem to know some good police who actually showed up at HQ regrading a case file against Betty. Can you please provide the details of those police and this family can also go to the same police.
DeleteI still don't understand why you want to isolate this case from LEF. Here is what I wrote to Betty who was also trying to argue on similar lines to make her understand that LEFs involvement cannot be ruled out in this mess.
DeleteOn a more professional note, your illogical statement that I should go to IC's house and also that the police case is between Gideons and IC and Parimala is the smart one that you are trying to pull. IC and Parimala were not next door neighbors to Elsie and that's not how they got access to Elsie. IC got access to Elsie in his power as the Financial director of LEF and Parimala got access to Elsie as the Principal of the school. Make no mistake that these two were appointed to those positions not by a collective decision of a board but by unilateral decision of your family members both deceased and alive. It is an employer's responsibility to protect all employees from any kind of abuse. While your mom herself may not have any involvement in what IC and Parimala did to Elsie, she is guilty as charged for not allowing these culprits from being punished by the law of the land. Not only did she not allow them to be prosecuted, she also tried to tamper with the evidence of the crimes done by IC and Parimala. Don't be cheated into believing that your mom will somehow come out of all this without paying a price for all the sins she has committed against this family and many such helpless families. Like I told many people like you who were trying to play the Christianity card and gloss it over with some religious talk, please be certain that I will do all I can to get justice to this family. If it means that I have to take a RSS flag and run, I will do it without any second thoughts. That's what I meant when I told you earlier that I will not leave any stone unturned in my pursuit to rescue my dad and help this family. My morality is such that I will do all I can for people who depend on me for help. I don't play games with people like some do. I value people as individuals and not as some sort of numbers which make up a religious group such as a what you proudly call this rogue organization as church. I am still willing to talk if you can have a honest conversation.
I hope this answer I gave to Betty will provide you details of the clarity I have in my mind about what I have braced up
to do to get to the bottom of this mess.
Suniemi,
DeleteIt Is mind boggling to me that any case where there is involvement of LEF is so hard to even get filed with police. Now that yo mentioned about Betty and police coming to HQ in relation to the uproar she raised against a wife abuser, I am curious to know if that alleged abused woman and her daughter's were helped by the police and there was some amicable resolution with that family. I am slowly losing confidence in the caliber of chennai police. If indeed Chennai police acted swiftly in shutting off Betty's mouth, isn't surprising that John Daniel went after the same family in the recent May retreat. Makes me wonder if police are actually empowering Daniels to run a muck like this.
If a CSR was already registered, you could have mentioned it earlier and avoided unwanted debate!
DeleteSuniemi, its you initiated this debate not WB, and you could have looked at this issue in more matured way... Pls, both of you continue your work the way how almighty leading you, not fighting between you.
DeleteThese two were your original comments:
Delete1. If a person is missing, the first recourse is to go to the police station and file a missing person complaint. It appears that this has not been done. Political parties are not meant to find missing persons!
AFAIK Immanuel & Parimala are no longer in LEF. Why do you link Elizabeth’s disappearance to LEF? Where is her husband? Does he know the whereabouts of his wife?
2. The end does not justify the means. The police are responsible to find missing persons and not political parties.
Your tone that is usually rational (as it appears as Suniemi) doesn't exactly match your tone here. I am already dealing with numerous idiots like Betty who are playing the Christian card and are trying to project all of this as Christian persecution and I am tired of answering idiots. I have a job to do with this blog and I am not into all this Christian theology and for me LEF is a pure a criminal organization that has a Christian front. I had some doubts about this earlier but my recent encounter with the rogues at HQ confirmed to me that LEF is run by thugs. Gunalan is a rogue no.1. But for the insulation he enjoys because of LEF, this thug would have been beaten up with chappals (not by men but by women). That is how wicked and evil he is. So, if such a thug is a face of LEF, I can only imagine what kind of evil is carried out in LEF. So, all attempt by anyone to arouse Christian sentiments ( I doubt if any exist in me anymore!!!) will be futile. I know what I am up against and I also know who are the only people who can confront these rogues.
Peace to you my friend as we part ways with our line of thought.
Why do you react to question posted by Suniemi ? Without filing FIR for missing person, you are questioning her saying, "What to do when police don't do what they are supposed to do?" File HCP before High Court. There are remedy available to resort but not the one you have chosen. What suniemi expressed is just and what a prudent man ought to have.
ReplyDeleteAlso, what makes you think we have not all that?
DeleteCan you help find us a lawyer to file HCP?
ReplyDeleteCan you help find us a lawyer to file HCP?
ReplyDeleteany lawyer can do that, I have submitted some websites with templates
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/forum/Habeas-corpus-draft-petetion-25159.asp
http://www.divorcelawyerindia.com/LEGAL%20DRAFTS/WRIT/WRIT-OF-HABEAS-CORPUS.html
http://slsagoa.nic.in/rulesweb/page99.htm
http://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/hyderabad/Habeas-Corpus-is-the-Only-Remedy-Against-Illegal-Detention-High-Court/2015/09/07/article3014268.ece
It is also true that the girl left due to a domestic quarrel (the police have thousands of such cases each month, as they are overworked, they will like to close such cases without filing a FIR as it is the second step, The Police wont bother about the reasons for the quarrel or the persons behind it.) Let the parents now file a Habeas Corpus petition before the High Court as they suspect that their daughter is being held against her wishes / detained. Habeas Corpus (roughly means where is the body in latin?). The High court will order the police to search for the girl and report to it back, This may take time, as usually the Police will ask for time of 3 months. The Police will trace and present the Girl in the court. Also remember that she is a major and can decide on her own and can sweetly say on my own I decided to live apart. But once the girl comes back she can be asked by the parents to clarify the role played by IC, and Parimala in her disappearance and whether IC, Gunalan or LD paid her money to live separately. As Mrs.Gideon herself worked in the police department, let she ask her serving and retired friends and let them file in Telungana State. Once a car full of TS police visit IC and Parimal the cookie will start crumbling.
Some of the thugs in LEF are violent because of the congidence of their power in LEF. Yes LEF gives them power its the LEF thugs claim saying no one can touch them whatever they do.
DeleteIn suneime site some one posted that site is more biblical . WB is taking down LEF. But he does not understand WB is victim but Sunemie is just an observer. You dont sit and watch when some one is killing your family
DeleteAnon. 2 August @ 12.58pm
DeleteBoth the Suniemi and the WB sites have done great service to abused LEF victims in their different ways.
We do know that WB's family has suffered much through the machinations of LEF and the Daniels. However it is wrong to assume, just because Suniemi has chosen to remain unidentified for the present, that he/she is a mere bystander!
It is important that LEF victims who think of themselves as Christians are made clear as to how LEF developed into what it (sadly) is now, and shown exactly where LEF departs from biblical teachings and practices - that it what Suniemi has been doing. Nobody takes the time and trouble that Suniemi has to examine and publish the false beliefs and dubious history of LEF/the Daniel dynasty if he/she is not also deeply troubled by them on a personal level. I am as sure as I can be that Suniemi has a personal interest in seeing LEF exposed, as well as a general desire to help its victims - just like WB! Equally WB has had the courage to set aside anonymity, inform about LEF and Daniel abuses as they happen, and physically attempt to stop them by whatever legal means are available. That takes persistence, a great deal of energy, and courage, in WB's circumstances
They may have experienced some disagreement recently, perhaps because of mutual misunderstandings, but to my knowledge no other Indians apart from firstly Suniemi, then Whistleblower soon after, have taken the initiative in trying to expose LEF publicly. The Bible tells us that Satan loves to sow dissension, anything to inhibit evil being addressed and defeated. Satan wants LEF to continue to escape accountability.
Let us therefore support and encourage them both as they seek to address the evils of LEF.
Thanks for all your efforts, WB and Suniemi!
As i see the problem is about the missing lady and the child who have been virtually disconnected from their family(husband/parents/in laws and friends).This is primarily due to a misunderstanding or domestic discontent between the husband and wife.People like Parimala and IC have a role to play in this family mess but it is wrong to conclude that they are the only people responsible for the marriage that is failing. It is wrong to preclude that Lily or LEF are playing a negative influence.The missing girl and her husband should sort out their differences by talking to each other and if tht doesnt workout they must meet a family counselling specialist (not from LEF).LEF is a crooked wicked establishment.The present LEF leadership should be put behind bars.
ReplyDeleteYes LEF has big part to play in domestic violence, even criminal activites in many so called Godly , fasting prayer families, In fact some on the fasting prayerscare the worst and top criminals. There are lor oc proofs. Sone put people on the pulpit to cver up their illifal criminal coruuptive life. There are strong proofs with withesses. Dirty filthy relgeon in LEF
ReplyDeleteWB have a news bulletin on LEf once in two months at least. U can publish the comments here as it is. Disappearance of mother and child is grave crime. Religion is not important here. Justice to the grieving parents is all that matter. Once this issue comes in public all other matters like finances will be taken care. We need shout into the ears of these gullible Lef--ties.i am following you from the beginning I know how hard you are working to give pea e to the parents. U are taking time to answer to every silly question here. In one way it's good for newcomers of WB but it takes lot on u. Stick to one important point of MISSING GIRL. to the people in Tamil and Telugu. That will shut all other channels of filling up the KHAJANA OF LEF. Once it is stopped you can concentrate on other issues. Like devouring of sites from the evangelist. And family wrenching by taking fathers from children and wife etc etc. Let this issue of missing girl should be known to the public. You write why and how it happened. Why they are hiding. Write about the rejection of taking FIR by the TN police too if needed. Just as it is. Here we are not fighting against human beings. To err is human. You are fighting against the system. And the atrocities done by the system of LEF. Set your priorities properly.. chalk out one by one. Most of all this news should go into the hands on paper to the laymen... of LEF. Am I clear?
ReplyDeleteAs a young mother of two there was a time that I wanted to run away from one of the monster LEFEvil families. . Could not bear the pain my family will go through. Had to watch all the dirty evil politics and wicked life of the whole family. But God in his mercy deliver me by taking me far and bringing Godly people from outside.. But after long time this monsterous evil faie holy family is trying again to take over using ministry. They were warned even by senior Daniel . But never listen. I know first hand what this young mother is going through. Wish able to tallk to the parents. You can get justice only from outside.otherwise they will kill you as long as others dont know. Some how there will be accidents. I wish people see the evil in LEF which is seen by outside Gods children so easily. God did not put the story of Solomons widom to save the child in vain.
ReplyDeleteAnon 4 August @ 12.20pm
DeleteThank you for sharing your experience. It can't be easy for you.
Please, LEF people who are still wavering, take this lady's testimony very seriously and get out of LEF without further delay.
The more people who turn their backs on the Daniels and LEF, the more possible you will make it for these unhappy mothers, trapped in abusive LEF situations by fears for their families, to be free.
Without supporters the Daniels and their henchmen will lose their power to dominate vulnerable people.
PLEASE LEAVE LEF, DO IT AS OPENLY AS YOU CAN, AND SHARE YOUR EXPERIENCE HERE TO ENCOURAGE THE DOWNTRODDEN VICTIMS OF LEF TO DO LIKEWISE.
To the mothers who are trapped, you may not see deliverance as God brought in my life. It really took a decade . Everyday llived in fear of death.Only God was my help. So cling to God. There is no man no power no evil greater than God. Romans 8 :11 says the same spirit that raised JESUS dwells in you. So we dont have to bow down to lawless evil. Obviousley they have no JESUS inside of them . Only in their lips and fake life. Only God can save us from these monsters and he will show you lot of mirackles as he did to his children. He never changed and he still lives. He is coming soon to vindicate all his victims in LEF. Hang int there close to JESUS.
ReplyDeleteThe efficacy of the posters will depend primarily o its widespread distribution. Do you have a distribution network in place?
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